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Running comparison for the middles
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Oregon's stats are done. Will post to his thread.
Jack's are almost done. Should have them up later today.
Jack's are almost done. Should have them up later today.
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Round 4 v Dragons
- Really good involvement from Kaufusi until his HIA.
- Possibly Jack Williams least involved game
- Cam's stats exclude his 4-5 minutes at hooker (which was awful)
- Blayke's stats exclude his 4-5 minute at halfback
One game to go
- Really good involvement from Kaufusi until his HIA.
- Possibly Jack Williams least involved game
- Cam's stats exclude his 4-5 minutes at hooker (which was awful)
- Blayke's stats exclude his 4-5 minute at halfback
One game to go
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Yeah - I docked Cam one because he was player hooker, and Jack gave up 2 penalties in the first half. Otherwise a pretty stellar defensive effort from the whole team - bench included.
Quite often Uele, Kaufusi and Hunt will be to the left of the 165 line. Sometimes Brailey and the back rowers too. The Dragons moved the ball around a lot in this game so everyone kept pretty busy but nobody got over-worked.
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Round 5 v Warriors
That's the last game. Now it's time to start collating everyone's individual stats
That's the last game. Now it's time to start collating everyone's individual stats
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Running forward comparisons.
Still need to do BHU, McInnes, Finucane.
Still need to do BHU, McInnes, Finucane.
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Thought it might be interesting to collate individual performances based on role.
Here is every game played by the "fourth bench forward" in 2023. i.e. A single unbroken stint without coming from the field for a rest or half-time.
I didn't include Wade Graham's data, because it's not really helpful for talking about next year's team. I also didn't include any game where a guy got injured mid-stint, changed positions in-game, or where he played lower minutes coming back from injury. This is "normal planned usage".
- Highest involvement was Hazelton in round 9. This was very low minutes though.
- Highest involvement factoring in minutes would be Hazelton Rd8 and Colquhoun Rd24
- Highest involvement against a team who finished in the top 8 would be Hazelton Rd12 or Hunt Rd2
- Highest involvement against a team who was in the top 8 at the time of the game would be Colquhoun in the finals (very low minutes though)
Note that the "low" games here are not low involvement overall. Just by comparison to other single-stint games.
I'll look further in to this one tomorrow and narrow it down to performances where no points were scored (i.e. where they didn't get a 3+ minute break in the middle of their stint).
Here is every game played by the "fourth bench forward" in 2023. i.e. A single unbroken stint without coming from the field for a rest or half-time.
I didn't include Wade Graham's data, because it's not really helpful for talking about next year's team. I also didn't include any game where a guy got injured mid-stint, changed positions in-game, or where he played lower minutes coming back from injury. This is "normal planned usage".
- Highest involvement was Hazelton in round 9. This was very low minutes though.
- Highest involvement factoring in minutes would be Hazelton Rd8 and Colquhoun Rd24
- Highest involvement against a team who finished in the top 8 would be Hazelton Rd12 or Hunt Rd2
- Highest involvement against a team who was in the top 8 at the time of the game would be Colquhoun in the finals (very low minutes though)
Note that the "low" games here are not low involvement overall. Just by comparison to other single-stint games.
I'll look further in to this one tomorrow and narrow it down to performances where no points were scored (i.e. where they didn't get a 3+ minute break in the middle of their stint).
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Went through and checked.
There were only one performances all season where a Sharks forward had a single unbroken stint which did not have a stoppage for points or a captain's challenge. Hazelton Rd7 v Roosters.
So I went and re-watched this stint. There were 5 short stoppages of 30-40 seconds each (2 kicks for touch and 3 scrums) but otherwise this was continuous ball in play for all of Tommy's stint. ~13 minutes of ball in play over ~16 minutes of elapsed time. Great effort for a big man.
By the end of it though he was completely cooked.
Final set in defence is...
- Tom makes a tackle on kick chase and is left on the ground.
- Doesn't make it back onside for the next play
- Makes another tackle, is left on the ground , Cheese scoots and makes 30m.
- Doesn't make it back onside for the next play
- Roosters kick on the last.
- Tommy is hooked.
Not bagging Tommy. This was only his second game in the NRL after all. Just pointing out that % of ball in play vs elapsed time is yet another thing you don't see on an nrl.com stats sheet - and something that can have a huge impact on player performance.
For comparison...
There were only one performances all season where a Sharks forward had a single unbroken stint which did not have a stoppage for points or a captain's challenge. Hazelton Rd7 v Roosters.
So I went and re-watched this stint. There were 5 short stoppages of 30-40 seconds each (2 kicks for touch and 3 scrums) but otherwise this was continuous ball in play for all of Tommy's stint. ~13 minutes of ball in play over ~16 minutes of elapsed time. Great effort for a big man.
By the end of it though he was completely cooked.
Final set in defence is...
- Tom makes a tackle on kick chase and is left on the ground.
- Doesn't make it back onside for the next play
- Makes another tackle, is left on the ground , Cheese scoots and makes 30m.
- Doesn't make it back onside for the next play
- Roosters kick on the last.
- Tommy is hooked.
Not bagging Tommy. This was only his second game in the NRL after all. Just pointing out that % of ball in play vs elapsed time is yet another thing you don't see on an nrl.com stats sheet - and something that can have a huge impact on player performance.
For comparison...
- Round 7 he was 13 min BIP in 16 minutes (elapsed time)
- Round 16 he was 10 min BIP in 20.5 minutes.
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I’d say it would gas plenty of guys.
Just another example of why you can’t use counting stats to compare the performance of middles. Any 2 players are rarely playing under the same conditions.
For 80 minute players within the same team it has some value.
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Finally got around to finishing off the yardage comparison for the backs.
- Talakai doing more than anyone inside 40.
- Tracey at centre was very good on yardage.
- Interestingly, when Tracey played fullback he did a lot more overall work, but the majority of that kick returns or kit-ups midfield. He wasn't much more likely than Kennedy to take a hit-up inside 40 but was playing like an extra running forward once the team got out out their end.
@Sparkles this won't help you with Sharks players now that Tracey has left, but it might have some ramifications if he plays fullback at the Bulldogs. I'd say when Tracey plays fullback you are often going to see less midfield runs from the forwards (the dark blue).
Also interesting how even the coach can get caught up in the perception of how a guy played. When Connor got the medal against the Cowboys Fitz said something like "we kept getting pinned in our end and Connor just kept taking the hard runs out of there". In fact, he didn't do an above average amount of work in his end, but he took a very high amount of runs in midfield. He did more work in midfield than any player except McInnes. Those runs still count, but it's just an interesting observation in how even the coach can see something a little different than what actually went down.
If you were going to give a player a wrap for being a beast in his own end in that game, it should be Tom or Jack.
Tracey (less dark blue)
Kennedy (more dark blue for the forwards).
- Talakai doing more than anyone inside 40.
- Tracey at centre was very good on yardage.
- Interestingly, when Tracey played fullback he did a lot more overall work, but the majority of that kick returns or kit-ups midfield. He wasn't much more likely than Kennedy to take a hit-up inside 40 but was playing like an extra running forward once the team got out out their end.
@Sparkles this won't help you with Sharks players now that Tracey has left, but it might have some ramifications if he plays fullback at the Bulldogs. I'd say when Tracey plays fullback you are often going to see less midfield runs from the forwards (the dark blue).
Also interesting how even the coach can get caught up in the perception of how a guy played. When Connor got the medal against the Cowboys Fitz said something like "we kept getting pinned in our end and Connor just kept taking the hard runs out of there". In fact, he didn't do an above average amount of work in his end, but he took a very high amount of runs in midfield. He did more work in midfield than any player except McInnes. Those runs still count, but it's just an interesting observation in how even the coach can see something a little different than what actually went down.
If you were going to give a player a wrap for being a beast in his own end in that game, it should be Tom or Jack.
Tracey (less dark blue)
Kennedy (more dark blue for the forwards).
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Cheers @BurgoShark . Maybe more an implication for our forwards workloads?
You feel with that workrate and metre-eating ability, Tracey must have been tempting Fitz to move him to the centres and Talakai to the bench. Or I might not be paying enough attention and reading something into this that isn't there
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Not really. Must have had one on auto by mistake. I’ll fix it next time I’m on a Pc.
Unfortunately, at least on my end, appears to have broken the insert. Showing as a link now not showing actual image.
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How about now?
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