Official Toby Rudolf

[Jaz]

The big guy has re signed for 3 years with us!

Good news. How much $$?

 

[Super Impose]

The big guy has re signed for 3 years with us!

Wow - that’s a massive vote of confidence from the coach ..

 

[Sparkles]

Good news. How much $$?

Did he get Moylan's money?!

 

[Tiger Shark]

Good news, now for mine the trick is we need to recruit so that he's no longer our best prop, he's our second best.

 

[Sparkles]

Good news, now for mine the trick is we need to recruit so that he's no longer our best prop, he's our second best.

Think I said earlier that Toby should aim to become our new Fifita. If not, I'm saying it now
He's getting the body shape, has decent footwork and speed and used to have an offload (?)

 

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Think I said earlier that Toby should aim to become our new Fifita. If not, I'm saying it now
He's getting the body shape, has decent footwork and speed and used to have an offload (?)

I'm sure he'll enjoy stacking on the extra 10kg

I don't see it myself

 

[Deleted member 2543]

Think I said earlier that Toby should aim to become our new Fifita. If not, I'm saying it now
He's getting the body shape, has decent footwork and speed and used to have an offload (?)

Definitely used the offload to good effect in the Souths game (Rd23).

I think to some degree it is coaching/role that determines whether they play that way. Royce seems to be under instructions to offload as much as possible, but even though Toby has that in his game he plays a bit more conservatively.

 

[Sparkles]

Definitely used the offload to good effect in the Souths game (Rd23).

I think to some degree it is coaching/role that determines whether they play that way. Royce seems to be under instructions to offload as much as possible, but even though Toby has that in his game he plays a bit more conservatively.

More of a find your front and get a quick ptb role you think? Maybe that will change with Williams getting back into action?

 

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More of a find your front and get a quick ptb role you think? Maybe that will change with Williams getting back into action?

Yeah Rudolf lacks in explosive power but has a good work rate.
Williams is Rudolf's sub I would think. May not always work out exactly like that but I think that is the gist of the prop roles - I don't really see him impacting how Toby plays too much - Burgo got any observations on either playing different if on with the other?

Rudolf to Williams
BHU to Hazelton/Hunt
Finucane to McInnes
The other bench spot goes to utility, the other one of the big boys mentioned, Talakai or Kaufusi

Williams has a bit more of that explosiveness than Toby but in a smaller body. This makes up for being a smaller middle but explosive power always helps middles if they are a chance to burst through a line. Was a big factor for Fifita that he could crab and palm and then just turn it on and burst through as soon as he saw half a gap. Before his resurgence but after his knee gave out he would still crab and palm but couldn't generate the power when he tried to straighten.

For middles our best line breakers were
Hazelton 5
Williams 5
McInnes 4
Hamlin-uele 3
Hunt 3
Finucane 1
Rudolf 1
Colquhoun / Kaufusi (0 each)

 

[Deleted member 2543]

More of a find your front and get a quick ptb role you think? Maybe that will change with Williams getting back into action?

I think it changes depending on who else is available, and possibly based on the opposition. That game was the first game since round 5 that BHU and Toby both started.

 

[Deleted member 2543]

Yeah Rudolf lacks in explosive power but has a good work rate.
Williams is Rudolf's sub I would think. May not always work out exactly like that but I think that is the gist of the prop roles - I don't really see him impacting how Toby plays too much - Burgo got any observations on either playing different if on with the other?

Rudolf to Williams
BHU to Hazelton/Hunt
Finucane to McInnes
The other bench spot goes to utility, the other one of the big boys mentioned, Talakai or Kaufusi

Williams has a bit more of that explosiveness than Toby but in a smaller body. This makes up for being a smaller middle but explosive power always helps middles if they are a chance to burst through a line. Was a big factor for Fifita that he could crab and palm and then just turn it on and burst through as soon as he saw half a gap. Before his resurgence but after his knee gave out he would still crab and palm but couldn't generate the power when he tried to straighten.

For middles our best line breakers were
Hazelton 5
Williams 5
McInnes 4
Hamlin-uele 3
Hunt 3
Finucane 1
Rudolf 1
Colquhoun / Kaufusi (0 each)

They are rarely on the field together other than for 5 minutes here and there, or the games where WIlliams covered second row.

They are probably the two players who spent the least amount of time on the field together playing in the middle.

The others I'd say are pretty close, but Finucane and McInnes will often be on together for 20-25 minutes, so it's more like...

80 mins Toby + Jack
100 mins Cam + Dale
60 mins BHU + 2 of Tom/Royce/Oregon/Jesse

Those minutes go up a bit when they run with a 3 forward bench or if someone gets hurt early in the game.

 

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They are rarely on the field together other than for 5 minutes here and there, or the games where WIlliams covered second row.

They are probably the two players who spent the least amount of time on the field together playing in the middle.

The others I'd say are pretty close, but Finucane and McInnes will often be on together for 20-25 minutes, so it's more like...

80 mins Toby + Jack
100 mins Cam + Dale
60 mins BHU + 2 of Tom/Royce/Oregon/Jesse

Those minutes go up a bit when they run with a 3 forward bench or if someone gets hurt early in the game.

Yeah that's what I would have expected - I'd have been surprised to hear there were a bunch of stints 15+ minutes they were our two props without things being pretty messed around by injury.

I think it changes depending on who else is available, and possibly based on the opposition. That game was the first game since round 5 that BHU and Toby both started.

When you do watch through 5 see if many/any of those offloads come off a BHU PTB or with BHU as a decoy/option runner.
Be interesting to be able to say there is a clear correlation between BHUs work and Toby offloading (if that is the case).
Also how many come off a straight hit-up or if they are from tip ons.

Increased number in offloads could be a gameplan decision to push them more, or it could just come naturally if he's getting less numbers into the tackle quickly to lock him up.

 

[Wiz]

The big guy has re signed for 3 years with us!

Is it bad that I’m not sold on this guy yet ?

I mean these 3 years have to be the best years of his career age wise etc so I’m hoping this genius coach of ours isn’t making the same mistake he’s done with Moylan

 

[Sparkles]

They are rarely on the field together other than for 5 minutes here and there, or the games where WIlliams covered second row.

They are probably the two players who spent the least amount of time on the field together playing in the middle.

The others I'd say are pretty close, but Finucane and McInnes will often be on together for 20-25 minutes, so it's more like...

80 mins Toby + Jack
100 mins Cam + Dale
60 mins BHU + 2 of Tom/Royce/Oregon/Jesse

Those minutes go up a bit when they run with a 3 forward bench or if someone gets hurt early in the game.

Would you see Williams being able to take BHU's role?

 

[Sparkles]

Is it bad that I’m not sold on this guy yet ?

I mean these 3 years have to be the best years of his career age wise etc so I’m hoping this genius coach of ours isn’t making the same mistake he’s done with Moylan

No, I get it. He'd had a pretty interrupted recent history too. It's just so hard to further what everyone's ceiling is!

 

[Wiz]

No, I get it. He'd had a pretty interrupted recent history too. It's just so hard to further what everyone's ceiling is!

This is true, it’s a key position too..

Is he even in the top 20 props going around ?

 

[Sparkles]

I think it changes depending on who else is available, and possibly based on the opposition. That game was the first game since round 5 that BHU and Toby both started.

I should say, round one with all players fit, would you see that as his role?

 

[Jaz]

This is true, it’s a key position too..

Is he even in the top 20 props going around ?

Reckon he's hovering around #20.

 

[Tiger Shark]

This is true, it’s a key position too..

Is he even in the top 20 props going around ?

What are your top 20 props ?

 

[Gumby]

Good news. How much $$?

Same $$ he signed for in his last contract I’ve been told.