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Totally. Was our best forward. Tried his heart out. I dont understand though why he didnt dispute the rake by keary
 

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Totally. Was our best forward. Tried his heart out. I dont understand though why he didnt dispute the rake by keary
Probably too tired. Plus with the ball still in play he had to get back and defend.
 

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Hold the ball with both hands when you know the ball is being played at? Try to eliminate the possibility of it being stripped and not getting the call.

'loose carry'

Toby gets some serious leg drive going in tackles , made some strong runs again and gets the crowd into it a bit when he does it
 

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Toby Rudolf - 2023
Consistent season from Toby. I'd say there was two games where his involvement was down (Rd20 and Rd24). Otherwise he was outstanding. An amazing performance considering the injury he was dealing with.

He definitely played too many minutes in the finals game, but I can't really hold that against Fitz. There was no BHU, no Finucane, an injury to Hazelton early in his stint, and two of the guys on the bench were Coquhoun and an underdone Kaufusi.

The comparison charts are where Toby really stands out...
(* apologies to the colourblind. Had to use orange. Starting to run out of colours. If you want to see a specific comparison once I'm finnished I can re-format Toby v another player in different colours).

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I'll drop the full running comparison charts in the Fancy Stats thread, but these are the most relevant for Toby.

#1 - Involvement
On average, Toby does as much work as any other middle (so far) but does it for longer. Only Colquhoun (in very limited minutes) was more heavily involved in the play.

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#2 - Attacking Trend
* excludes finals game

Up to ~35 minutes of ball in play (about 50 minutes of game time) Toby doesn't slow down. He'll take as many runs as anyone who is playing more than 15 minutes.
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#3 - Defensive Trend

* excludes finals game

Toby makes as many tackles as any other player (so far), and does it for longer.

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#4 Runs inside own 40 Trend
* excludes finals game

Toby takes more runs inside his own 40 than Kaufusi and Hunt, more than Hazelton if he plays longer than 15 minutes, and is on par with Williams.

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Good news, now for mine the trick is we need to recruit so that he's no longer our best prop, he's our second best.
Think I said earlier that Toby should aim to become our new Fifita. If not, I'm saying it now ;)
He's getting the body shape, has decent footwork and speed and used to have an offload (?)
 

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Think I said earlier that Toby should aim to become our new Fifita. If not, I'm saying it now ;)
He's getting the body shape, has decent footwork and speed and used to have an offload (?)
I'm sure he'll enjoy stacking on the extra 10kg

I don't see it myself
 

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Think I said earlier that Toby should aim to become our new Fifita. If not, I'm saying it now ;)
He's getting the body shape, has decent footwork and speed and used to have an offload (?)
Definitely used the offload to good effect in the Souths game (Rd23).

I think to some degree it is coaching/role that determines whether they play that way. Royce seems to be under instructions to offload as much as possible, but even though Toby has that in his game he plays a bit more conservatively.
 

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Definitely used the offload to good effect in the Souths game (Rd23).

I think to some degree it is coaching/role that determines whether they play that way. Royce seems to be under instructions to offload as much as possible, but even though Toby has that in his game he plays a bit more conservatively.
More of a find your front and get a quick ptb role you think? Maybe that will change with Williams getting back into action?
 

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More of a find your front and get a quick ptb role you think? Maybe that will change with Williams getting back into action?
Yeah Rudolf lacks in explosive power but has a good work rate.
Williams is Rudolf's sub I would think. May not always work out exactly like that but I think that is the gist of the prop roles - I don't really see him impacting how Toby plays too much - Burgo got any observations on either playing different if on with the other?

Rudolf to Williams
BHU to Hazelton/Hunt
Finucane to McInnes
The other bench spot goes to utility, the other one of the big boys mentioned, Talakai or Kaufusi

Williams has a bit more of that explosiveness than Toby but in a smaller body. This makes up for being a smaller middle but explosive power always helps middles if they are a chance to burst through a line. Was a big factor for Fifita that he could crab and palm and then just turn it on and burst through as soon as he saw half a gap. Before his resurgence but after his knee gave out he would still crab and palm but couldn't generate the power when he tried to straighten.

For middles our best line breakers were
Hazelton 5
Williams 5
McInnes 4
Hamlin-uele 3
Hunt 3
Finucane 1
Rudolf 1
Colquhoun / Kaufusi (0 each)
 

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More of a find your front and get a quick ptb role you think? Maybe that will change with Williams getting back into action?
I think it changes depending on who else is available, and possibly based on the opposition. That game was the first game since round 5 that BHU and Toby both started.
 

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Yeah Rudolf lacks in explosive power but has a good work rate.
Williams is Rudolf's sub I would think. May not always work out exactly like that but I think that is the gist of the prop roles - I don't really see him impacting how Toby plays too much - Burgo got any observations on either playing different if on with the other?

Rudolf to Williams
BHU to Hazelton/Hunt
Finucane to McInnes
The other bench spot goes to utility, the other one of the big boys mentioned, Talakai or Kaufusi

Williams has a bit more of that explosiveness than Toby but in a smaller body. This makes up for being a smaller middle but explosive power always helps middles if they are a chance to burst through a line. Was a big factor for Fifita that he could crab and palm and then just turn it on and burst through as soon as he saw half a gap. Before his resurgence but after his knee gave out he would still crab and palm but couldn't generate the power when he tried to straighten.

For middles our best line breakers were
Hazelton 5
Williams 5
McInnes 4
Hamlin-uele 3
Hunt 3
Finucane 1
Rudolf 1
Colquhoun / Kaufusi (0 each)
They are rarely on the field together other than for 5 minutes here and there, or the games where WIlliams covered second row.

They are probably the two players who spent the least amount of time on the field together playing in the middle.

The others I'd say are pretty close, but Finucane and McInnes will often be on together for 20-25 minutes, so it's more like...

80 mins Toby + Jack
100 mins Cam + Dale
60 mins BHU + 2 of Tom/Royce/Oregon/Jesse

Those minutes go up a bit when they run with a 3 forward bench or if someone gets hurt early in the game.
 

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They are rarely on the field together other than for 5 minutes here and there, or the games where WIlliams covered second row.

They are probably the two players who spent the least amount of time on the field together playing in the middle.

The others I'd say are pretty close, but Finucane and McInnes will often be on together for 20-25 minutes, so it's more like...

80 mins Toby + Jack
100 mins Cam + Dale
60 mins BHU + 2 of Tom/Royce/Oregon/Jesse

Those minutes go up a bit when they run with a 3 forward bench or if someone gets hurt early in the game.
Yeah that's what I would have expected - I'd have been surprised to hear there were a bunch of stints 15+ minutes they were our two props without things being pretty messed around by injury.

I think it changes depending on who else is available, and possibly based on the opposition. That game was the first game since round 5 that BHU and Toby both started.
When you do watch through 5 see if many/any of those offloads come off a BHU PTB or with BHU as a decoy/option runner.
Be interesting to be able to say there is a clear correlation between BHUs work and Toby offloading (if that is the case).
Also how many come off a straight hit-up or if they are from tip ons.

Increased number in offloads could be a gameplan decision to push them more, or it could just come naturally if he's getting less numbers into the tackle quickly to lock him up.
 
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