Round 22 2013: Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks v Newcastle, Saturday 10 August 7:35pm @ Remondis Stadium

[Tank]

I had to go for a walk when the game finished or I would have smashed something .i completely lost my ****. I'm so tired of losing those type of games. We seem to lose these games more than any other team. Once or twice I can cop and put it down to bad luck but it happens too often for it to be just bad luck. We are retarded when it comes to finishing off teams. Only positive out of last night is the fact that my missus isn't speaking too me because of my irrational and childish behaviour( her words) ha.

 

[SharksMichael]

I've heard that Gidley is still lining up that conversion...

 

[Gards]

Forget the refs, they did not lose us the game. Forget Gidley, his punches and not being sin binned did not lose us the game.

Two words lost us this game. BALL CONTROL.

it is that simple. There were 7 or 8 times where we coughed up the pill for no reason. Not good enough.
With four minutes to go and leading 14-12, I almost turned to Everton Shark and said, "If we gat away with this, we do not deserve it."
Something made me not say it, probably that little voice inside of me that knows no matter the players we have, no matter the year, we always seem to know how to lose a game.

We cannot dish that up against the a dragons next week and expect to win.

Agree, ball control AND discipline has been good in the majority of our games and the cornerstone of our wins - we were the opposite last night. Nerves? Not sure but we were crap.

I wanna watch this game so i can critique it fairly but i dont know if i can sit through it. Might do it tomorrow and see what these hacks dished up.

Put it this way, you won't need a spare pair of undies...

Going for the 2 was probably our worst decision.
We had the knights trapped down in the own half for 10minutes. And they weren't going anywhere. The kick gave them a rest and also put the game back down In our half.
We should of backed ourselves and kept putting the pressure on.

Not this argument again. Tight game, Knights defense good, us offering little in attack. It was the right decision. How we handled it from there could have been better.

I've heard that Gidley is still lining up that conversion...

LOL!

 

[Jigsaw]

So we woulda lost 18-12 not 18-14. We werent going to score on them. Thats why we took the 2. We had the ball there and werent applying pressure, they also werent feeling it. The 2 was our best chance of points.

Not applying pressure...... **** me, we had them trapped in the half for 10 minutes getting repeat sets. What we did was took the pressure off them and gave them a rest and a chance to think and talk.
It would of been smarter to keep attacking the line until we got a try. It was going to happen, but instead we took the easiest option. And it cost us the game.

 

[Jaz]

Should Gidley have been sin binned for throwing punches? What a sook, and a knob.

 

[evertonshark]

Should Gidley have been sin binned for throwing punches? What a sook, and a knob.

All true but why does pomeroy raise the elbow 10 metres out from his own try-line ? Absolute idiocy.

 

[Gards]

Not applying pressure...... **** me, we had them trapped in the half for 10 minutes getting repeat sets. What we did was took the pressure off them and gave them a rest and a chance to think and talk.
It would of been smarter to keep attacking the line until we got a try. It was going to happen, but instead we took the easiest option. And it cost us the game.

You assume we would have scored though. We only scored 2 tries all game.... one of which was pure luck. We could have easily dropped the ball or butchered the opportunity. Even some of the best teams in the comp take the 2 points in that situation.

 

[squiddy]

Should Gidley have been sin binned for throwing punches? What a sook, and a knob.

cAnt stand F'n GIdley but to be fair he played for the penalty just as we do , and just as Carney did when Snowden got put on report for a ridiculous tap on the head

 

[Wilson]

No need to whinge about anything. We're just a **** squad. We have no chance at all of winning this comp, or probably even make it it somewhere respectable in the finals.

Newcastle were rubbish last night and we couldn't do anything about it. Just a completely garbage team we have.

 

[evertonshark]

No need to whinge about anything. We're just a **** squad. We have no chance at all of winning this comp, or probably even make it it somewhere respectable in the finals.

Newcastle were rubbish last night and we couldn't do anything about it. Just a completely garbage team we have.

I think we've got a good squad barring 2 or 3 players but IMO it comes down to what's going on at training, for the past 2 seasons we've looked clueless in attack in the oppositions 20 and we let the opposition march downfield almost at will. This is only my opinion but as long as Flanagan is the coach we will never be better than a bottom half of the top 8 side.

 

[sharkyman]

I think we've got a good squad barring 2 or 3 players but IMO it comes down to what's going on at training, for the past 2 seasons we've looked clueless in attack in the oppositions 20 and we let the opposition march downfield almost at will. This is only my opinion but as long as Flanagan is the coach we will never be better than a bottom half of the top 8 side.

Hard to disagree. Sure we have some pretty average players in our attack, but I agree the attacking plays being coached/rehearsed are sub standard, and wont ever be enough to put us up with the elite teams. If were not going to buy a hooker or half that can do the job on talent alone (like carney), then we need a good attack coach, that can show Robbo/JMo etc., how to divide defenses and create more options for us.

 

[evertonshark]

Hard to disagree. Sure we have some pretty average players in our attack, but I agree the attacking plays being coached/rehearsed are sub standard, and wont ever be enough to put us up with the elite teams. If were not going to buy a hooker or half that can do the job on talent alone (like carney), then we need a good attack coach, that can show Robbo/JMo etc., how to divide defenses and create more options for us.

It was ridiculous how much 1 out stuff was happening when attacking the try line last night and when they go wide its just slow and predictable and doesn't go close to confusing the defence.

 

[dimi]

Hard to disagree. Sure we have some pretty average players in our attack, but I agree the attacking plays being coached/rehearsed are sub standard, and wont ever be enough to put us up with the elite teams. If were not going to buy a hooker or half that can do the job on talent alone (like carney), then we need a good attack coach, that can show Robbo/JMo etc., how to divide defenses and create more options for us.

I dont think that is the problem,we are not that far off the pace,apart from a couple of hidings we have been within six or so points.take the hooker role -who is there that you would sign ? Degois it seems has just aged and looks off the pace this year,Jmorris looks good and gives some variety but is rooted after 25 min because he is old,Lichaa isnt ready
Politoni is the guy i think should get a crack at the interchange hooker roll, although he has played bugger all first grade he would offer pace and good service if he were coming on late in a half.
The centre position is a dead duck,we have tried a few and they have not done any good,Jono has been solid but hasnt set the world on fire,we all know the club is trying to address the lack of quality at centre,our current wingers wouldnt get a run in any other nrl side,Ryan is no problem but we need a winger that can do something special,all the top 4 sides
have these players
As everton said,we are only short 2 or 3 players,we need players that make you nervous,just like when Uate,McManus,Boyd made me hold my breath every time they got near the ball last night.Until we have a few guys that can make you feel that ****ty nervous feeling we all had last night we are nothing more than a solid top 8 team.

 

[sharkyboy]

Hard to disagree. Sure we have some pretty average players in our attack, but I agree the attacking plays being coached/rehearsed are sub standard, and wont ever be enough to put us up with the elite teams. If were not going to buy a hooker or half that can do the job on talent alone (like carney), then we need a good attack coach, that can show Robbo/JMo etc., how to divide defenses and create more options for us.

Isn't that our coaches job? Isn't that what he is paid thousands of dollars to do at training all week?

And why should robbo and Morris be trained to do this? Isn't that why they are in our team? For the 'experience' they bring? These blokes have been in league for 10 years and they still need to be trained? It's no wonder no other teams wanted to touch these hacks.

 

[sharkyman]

Isn't that our coaches job? Isn't that what he is paid thousands of dollars to do at training all week?

It is, but clearly he is not doing, and perhaps not capable of doing it. I dont know enough about our interior workings to say, but most teams these days have specific attack/defense coaches etc., I am not sure who ours is, or if we can even afford one, but If we do have one, they are not good enough.

And why should robbo and Morris be trained to do this? Isn't that why they are in our team? For the 'experience' they bring? These blokes have been in league for 10 years and they still need to be trained? It's no wonder no other teams wanted to touch these hacks.

You would hope so, but its not always the case, and experience covers a wide variety of things, some which we wouldnt see, but would still add to the team and help out the younger players. This is the problem though, unless youre a star player that just knows these things (eg/ johns, locky, carney) you do need to be taught them, and especially when its a role based situation in set plays, which are designed by someone other than the players in question. At the end of the day some our players in key roles are not up to the best standard, and coaches need to be able to get the best out of them when thats the case.

A good example is Mullen. Always been ok, not great....look at what Bennett has done with him in just over 12 mths.

 

[DeathMoth]

Agree, ball control AND discipline has been good in the majority of our games and the cornerstone of our wins - we were the opposite last night. Nerves? Not sure but we were crap.



Put it this way, you won't need a spare pair of undies...



Not this argument again. Tight game, Knights defense good, us offering little in attack. It was the right decision. How we handled it from there could have been better.



LOL!

Splendid use of the quote tool

 

[sharks2010]

Splendid use of the quote tool

thats why he is known as 'the quoter'

 

[DeathMoth]

I have a question: When people are trying to master things, they generally look to the masters. When people are learning to play an instrument the only true way to master it is to copy the greats until your own thing evolves. When I'm learning **** on my skateboard (still after all these ****in years) I watch vids of the guys who do it the best. My question is do the Sharks ever look at the plays executed by the likes of the Storm and the Rabbits??

I've seen one or two Melbourne plays recently and we scored from both. Why don't we do it more? Who's coaching these idiots?

 

[sharkyboy]

It is, but clearly he is not doing, and perhaps not capable of doing it. I dont know enough about our interior workings to say, but most teams these days have specific attack/defense coaches etc., I am not sure who ours is, or if we can even afford one, but If we do have one, they are not good enough.



You would hope so, but its not always the case, and experience covers a wide variety of things, some which we wouldnt see, but would still add to the team and help out the younger players. This is the problem though, unless youre a star player that just knows these things (eg/ johns, locky, carney) you do need to be taught them, and especially when its a role based situation in set plays, which are designed by someone other than the players in question. At the end of the day some our players in key roles are not up to the best standard, and coaches need to be able to get the best out of them when thats the case.

A good example is Mullen. Always been ok, not great....look at what Bennett has done with him in just over 12 mths.

Mate if they havent learnt them by now they are never going to learn them.

At the end of the day i dont care about experience, i want the best players that we have on the field. Whether that is robson or townsend, politini or morris or licheea or de gois.

We have experience in other areas and if these ****s arent performing like they havent for a number of years, at their age of 29 and over, they never will. If we have these younger players who can do nothing BUT learn and already have more skill and vision than any of these guys have had in their entire career, we can do nothing but benefit from it.

But super coach will be happy to leave these under performing players in season upon season. Makes me sick.

 

[SharksMichael]

I have a question: When people are trying to master things, they generally look to the masters. When people are learning to play an instrument the only true way to master it is to copy the greats until your own thing evolves. When I'm learning **** on my skateboard (still after all these ****in years) I watch vids of the guys who do it the best. My question is do the Sharks ever look at the plays executed by the likes of the Storm and the Rabbits??

I've seen one or two Melbourne plays recently and we scored from both. Why don't we do it more? Who's coaching these idiots?

You're right. I'm pretty sure Carney and Wade did an inside outside play or Melbourne/Queensland play. We've scored using that play recently, may have been against the Panthers. I think a play like that can become predictable, that's probably why they don't run it all the time.

On a slightly related note. There was one guy behind at the game last night who said "you wouldn't want to be a Sharks winger, you would never get the ball" and last night that was so true. In the second half especially, the ball didn't go much further then the centre on the left hand side. I've never really noticed how many inside balls we throw but the view I got seeing the guys from behind in attack made it look so obvious. Robson look like he made a nice run across the field, only to turn it inside to someone else. Bloody infuriating.