2012 Standard of Refereeing Thread

[gosharkies]

the standards of the ref,s

i think the standard of the ref,s on the field and the video ref,s has been the worst in years.
i do not have all the answers but, i think there needs to be more transparency and i think there is a need
for a camera in the video ref,s room and he has to talk us through his decision.
so for example this would work something like this, i am now checking that all the players are behind the player who kicked,
ok they are all on side, now checking wether the winger tooched the side line on his way into the in goal area. ok all good now to
just check the grounding of the ball, ok all good try.
want do you guys think? i think this system would be better for the viewer.

 

[Gards]

They are working with a bloated and chopped up rule book of interpretation and grey areas. It's not completely their fault. The game is getting too complicated and it makes refs look more silly than they are.
They still have made some howlers over the years however.

NRL games are becoming exhibitions and dramas instead of just a fairly adjuticated sporting event. Sad really.

 

[gosharkies]

i agree there are numerous grey areas which is making their job harder, but the reason for my suggestion is taking last nights game for example when qld scored a try
from want looked like a shepard and the the majority of the commentators thought it was not a try, but yet it was awarded. i would like to see and hear how he come up with the decision. besides it would make better viewing for the tv auidence being able to view the decision process as opposed to what we have now with commentators speculatating on the outcome.

 

[Gards]

We know the rationale though. The vid ref deems the other players while imededed were not close enough to be effective in making a tackle.
This is subjective. Rule needs to be clear cut. Run behind a player it's a shepard. Not second guessing spending 10 mins reviewing the decision on a monitor about who could have done what.

That way it's fair for both sides and the ref has a simple decision to make with no back lash.

 

[Timmyb22]

i say get rid of the video ref, it takes away the ability of the field referee to even comprehend making a decision by himself,

now if the ref onfield is not sure about something he can just send it up to video ref and save himself from making a wrong decision instead of backing his ability as a referee

imo the video ref while sometimes helful is taking away from the standard of refereeing big time!

they'll never get rid of it but i still think it causes more trouble than good

 

[gosharkies]

some **** calls, thought Grahams hit on Hoffman was alright, however if itd gone the other way we'd blow up.

I just hate how Refs like to even up the penalty count a little, a tough game then a few petty penalties get blown.

Also, on Grahams hit, that would be allowed in origin, but then they call origin tougher than club games, thats why, they allow it to be

the worst part of his decision was he had already awarded the try and regardless if he got a late call or not from the video ref and wether
that decision was correct or not to me is irrevant he awarded the try and that should have been the end of it.

 

[gosharkies]

i agree the current rule is over complicated and should be simplifield, for the good of the game as in this case it was 50/50
call and naturally blues fans think no try and qld fans think try. i think the chance of removing the chance of 50/50 calls were possible
would be good for the game. your suggested way of simplifying the rule i think is good.

 

[Bundy Shark]

I would hate to be a NRL ref, they are under so much scrutiny, from fans to media commentators & journalists, I admit RL is the sport I watch most, the Afl or Union I do watch where the refs have made mistakes never seems to get replayed over & over again on the TV like the league does, it seems to be a RL mentality across the board.

The AFL TV commentators do mention there was a mistake & do replay it on occasions, union commentators almost ignore it like it never happended, its like they have been instructed from "above powers" not to talk, analize or replay mistakes as it may bring their game in to disrepute for doing so.

I hate it when the Sharks lose games where there were dodgy decisions involved but its like our media, especially the journalists thrive off or sensationalize the mistake to make their story/atricle/column more appealing & to sell their papers.

 

[Tatus]

Get rid of the video reff. Leave it to the officials on the field and stop swapping back and forth between who has control of the game.
That way there is 1 opinion on the game and interpreted thru the eyes of just one person.

If there is a need for a try to go the the video ref, let that one reff go off the field and have a look at it, quite like the NFL.
I'm sure some of the reffs on the field don't agree with a call from the video reff sometimes.

 

[BlackWhiteBlue]

The biggest issue along with the quality of refereeing is the grey areas surrounding rules.

For example last night, a shepard ruling coulda been called, instead they go and study all the variables and would be could be's. If they went back to a cannot run behind your own player rule, and not look at who was taken out of play, who coulda go there but was blocked bla bla bla, then everyone would get the same rule. IMO no NSW player woulda got hodges anyway, Farah instead of trying, just gave up and begged for a penalty, thats pathetic. But if it was black and white and the rules are you cant run behind your own player or watever. Its a penalty. I did see DCE penalised for this off a George Rose decoy this season.

Same with all these tries that are referred for different ****, IMO if players are in the air or whatever if the player comes down with the ball, regardless of a juggle or a bump of the ball into another player in the effort to take the catch, it should be just classed as a catch. Video ref ****s it up so often cos all the hands look the same going for the ball and he doesnt know whos it whos. There should never be a benefit of the doubt try called ever. That there alone shows how **** the umpires are

 

[gosharkies]

We know the rationale though. The vid ref deems the other players while imededed were not close enough to be effective in making a tackle.
This is subjective. Rule needs to be clear cut. Run behind a player it's a shepard. Not second guessing spending 10 mins reviewing the decision on a monitor about who could have done what.

That way it's fair for both sides and the ref has a simple decision to make with no back lash.

i agree i think the rules should be simplifield and the shepard rule is a prime example of how rules should be simplifield to
take out as 50/50 calls out of the game.

 

[HaroldBishop]

The AFL TV commentators do mention there was a mistake & do replay it on occasions, union commentators almost ignore it like it never happended, its like they have been instructed from "above powers" not to talk, analize or replay mistakes as it may bring their game in to disrepute for doing so.

That's true but penalties (or frees as they're called in AFL) don't have as big an impact in AFL as in League. The size of the ground, free flowing nature of the game and the fact the game is played over a (roughly) two hour period are the reasons for this.

Penalties in League can have a huge influence on a game and that's why the refs, rightly or wrongly, are scrutinized a lot more.

 

[Gards]

In the A-League Soccer they don't refer to replays in making a decision. In fact the telecaster barely shows one reply of any close calls unless has changed this season.

Funny how Vid Ref creates controvesy, controvesy fuels media and sells papers. Last time I checked News LTD had a big stake in our game...

Additionally take gambling out of the sport and the need for !00% accurate calls and video anaylsis fades away some what.

The ironry is that the technology and grey areas has made decisions worse.

 

[BlackWhiteBlue]

In the A-League Soccer they don't refer to replays in making a decision. In fact the telecaster barely shows one reply of any close calls unless has changed this season.

Funny how Vid Ref creates controvesy, controvesy fuels media and sells papers. Last time I checked News LTD had a big stake in our game...

Additionally take gambling out of the sport and the need for !00% accurate calls and video anaylsis fades away some what.

The ironry is that the technology and grey areas has made decisions worse.

Ive noticed that with Channel 9 as opposed to Fox. 9 is forever throwing little replays in of any incident or moment in the game. Usually replay it twice while Gould blabbers on then snorkels throws his little opinion in also.
Things like a small forward pass from dummy half, gets missed by ref, channel 9 show it again 3 times.

However, the video ref has created a safe house for refs, 75% of the time a try is sent upstairs, thats a ****in joke, there is 2 refs, 2 touch judges, and the ref is still scared to call it. If anything having the video ref there has made them lazier and they often arent in position to make the call cos they know they can just sent it to them. Then you have the **** video reffing

 

[squiddy]

the worst part of his decision was he had already awarded the try and regardless if he got a late call or not from the video ref and wether
that decision was correct or not to me is irrevant he awarded the try and that should have been the end of it.

But would you think that if it was the other way around ?

Re the QLD try - i had no inherent problem with it but I just wish that the refs were consistent , you watch this weekend a team will have a similar try disallowed and a hit similar to Grahams will go un punished .

Consistency is the key

 

[Thresher]

Refs are being very Tiger-centric tonight. I used to like the Tiges, not anymore

 

[Gil]

Refs are being very Tiger-centric tonight. I used to like the Tiges, not anymore

Especially since they became the Balmain Ch9 Tigers

 

[HaroldBishop]

Additionally take gambling out of the sport and the need for !00% accurate calls and video anaylsis fades away some what.

Don't think gambling has anything to do with how technology is or isn't used in sport.

 

[Henchmann]

Parra dominating Tigers so the refs give a couple of quick penalties to get the Tigers back into the game, it's so obvious, and biased.

 

[Mark^Bastard]

Parra dominating Tigers so the refs give a couple of quick penalties to get the Tigers back into the game, it's so obvious, and biased.

sickens me. Always the tigpies