snowman
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**** me laughing, a dogs fan handing out cap advice
Sharks Circling Star Duo SBW and Quade Cooper
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Beejay
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Tell that to the Andrew Johns Knights era coach and fans.
I agree in principle. But IF we get Cooper, we will be hard pressed to keep Kelly.
You missed a truckload of obvious ones - Ricky Stuart, Ray Price, Mick O'Connor, Rex Mossop, Mark Ella, Ken Kearney. Andrew Walker.
Then you have the ones that went the other way - Mat Rogers, Wendell, Boohoo etc.
Mark^Bastard
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If anyone thinks:
A) We are any chance of getting these guys.
B) If it did happen, it'd bring success to our club.
You're frigging wrong.
A) We are any chance of getting these guys.
B) If it did happen, it'd bring success to our club.
You're frigging wrong.
Beejay
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Yeah your right, we shouldn't imagine what our club would be like with a couple of marquee signings. Because they will never come to us, let alone win us a trophy.
Our club should just give up trying to sign anyone with any talent because they won't come to us. Ever. Aim low and avoid disappointment should be our new motto. I'm pretty sure Joe from down the road should be our next target. **** this believe stuff.
"This Believe stuff" isn't about blindly hoping we could sign two mega stars who have the League/Union world at their feet. Its about having faith that if we do what we should do (Sharks supporters adopting an active, innovative and courageous attitude towards solving our problems) then the results will follow (success).
I don't think any RL Club could realistically afford the pair- maybe a new team because they would have a whole cap to manage, but even then they would have to have some serious third party backing.
Anyway, what would happen when they both packed up and left after a year? We would be left with what?
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just putting it out there that cooper would easily be better than benji I wish it would happen.
Mark^Bastard
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Say there were three players on the market.
1 - The best player
3 - Pretty crap player.
Our club goes for 1, misses them, then 2 is already signed up by some other team, then we get number 3.
We'd be better off going for someone realistic from the get go, and looking after our juniors as well for a change.
Gardner was our best signing of the last 4 years. Think about that.
snowman
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Our best signing of the last 4 years has been kade snowden
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Gardner cus he actually wants to be at the club
imasharkie
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this is a joke
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SBW is the perfect player for us, we need someone with huge drawing power, someone to bring the fans, media and the sponsors.
We got to buy someone, otherwise we won't even be able to field a side at the rate were going.
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thats why we should of went all out for idris
Its why we should get the Wolfman here- especially seeing he wouldn't cost $400k like Idris or $80squillion like SBW.
SharkLabelSociety
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Sure, why not.
At this stage, I'm willing to abandon my principle against not throwing big money around to chase a delusion. What else do we have.
At this stage, I'm willing to abandon my principle against not throwing big money around to chase a delusion. What else do we have.
He's not even in the same class as Benji ok. Benji is an amazing player with skills that most rugby league players could only dream of. Benji is the closest thing we have seen to Andrew Johns in terms of his ability to win games single handily when he is on fire.
But in saying that. If we had to get Cooper to snag $BW i would be SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO happy. $BW would be one of the best things to happen to this club. God damn i want him in our team now!
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Beejay
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Well we would be left with the Michael Hagan coached Knights team minus Andrew Johns and Danny Buderus. But what if we got them and we won a premiership? Now I know Brett Kimmorley couldn't win us a premiership and his signing got up many players noses, least of all Preston Campbell fans, but that is no reason for the club not to attempt to sign Cooper. If the club goes about things with the attitude what if (insert bad thing here) happened, then nothing will be achieved.
I don't agree with the defeatist attitude, especially coming from someone as important to the forum as you. This forum is full of pessimism and needs some positive leadership. In saying that you are entitled to your opinion but I disagree that we should give up on signing quality players.
Perhaps your right re: juniors. Maybe if we actually resign and keep our talented youngsters for the long term, we can create our own superstar.
Mark^Bastard
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Wow, I'm sort of flawed by that to be honest.
I didn't think I was being particularly pessimistic. Like, I really believe in our juniors and even our current squad. Round 2 showed that we can beat the best teams if we turn up to play. Round 3 showed that we can FLOG the lower teams if we turn up to play. These games covered both winning scenarios for me. I have no doubt that everything since has been largely mental. The Warriors game was perhaps resting on laurels. The Manly game was a tough loss and I think the team let it get to them.
I think a lot of teams this year, bar the top 5 or so, are the kinds of teams that the Sharks should beat every time as long as the right Sharks turn up. And we're a shot against the other 5 too.
What sort of compromises would we be making to get these two Union guys. That's what I'm talking about. Focusing energy in ways that may not get the best return on investment. That's what I'm concerned about. If we have limited time to spend on recruitment, both in terms of hours in the day and limited staff, and days in the year in terms of available off-contract talent, then we need to spend that time wisely.
As far as pessimism goes, I'm not being pessimistic with regards to the Sharks, I'm pessimistic that SBW and Cooper will even come to Rugby League. They seem like the kind of guys that just like to be wanted. SBW ran out on League and Cooper used the Eels to boost his union contract. I'm just not sure these are the kinds of guys we need at our club. I'm sure they've got great talent, and even more importantly a wealth of worldly experience, but I'm not sure how much they'll enhance the club culture.
I think our club is the kind of club that will never buy a premiership, through players or coaches. We need to CREATE a premiership from the ground up. This means local juniors or juniors in general.
So maybe I misrepresented my self a bit. I didn't mean that the Sharks can't attract talent and should give up. I didn't mean that talent won't fix the Sharks. I mean that for us we need to build something real. Something that's more than just a squad of players. We need to build the actual team again, the intangible quality. If we retain our promising juniors and recruit some experience in key positions maybe this built up team will be hitting their straps around the time we come into money? That's what I'd like to see. Gards, Mills, Pickered, Wright, Stapo, Kelly, Townsend, Graham, Peachey etc. All hitting their straps and then suddenly we have real money to keep them all together. Real facilities.
Beejay
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Alright I may have jumped on you before acceptances. When I posted that first post I accused you of having no faith in the Sharks signing players, and I regretted it until I saw your next post which proved me right, imagine how relieved I was. My initial post was the product of a seeing few other posts suggesting the Sharks can't sign anyone in this and other threads.
Yes yes I agree with most of those paragraphs. I wasn't calling you pessimistic about the Sharks generally, just about the Sharks signing decent players. There seems to be alot of two different types of posts, those saying 'xx player will never come here, too expensive, why bother blah' and 'why don't the Sharks sign quality players instead of nuffies?'. Hmm...
I have no idea how much truth is in that news article about the Sharks being after SBW and Cooper. While it is very unlikely they would come here, imagine if they would. They would help us no end with attracting media interest, other players signing to the Sharks and supporters turning up to little old Shark Park. We will get Friday games left right and centre. This all adds up financially. To quote an old saying ' you gotta spend money to make money'. Mind you, nothing will split our supporters' opinions like the controversy of signing SBW.
Despite all this I agree with you. The Sharks should create a premiership with the youngsters we got. My point is that we could (however unlikely) sign these 2 players, in your response to your comment that we can't. If we do sign these players they will make a positive difference to our club (more likely), when you said that they won't.
Yes yes I agree with most of those paragraphs. I wasn't calling you pessimistic about the Sharks generally, just about the Sharks signing decent players. There seems to be alot of two different types of posts, those saying 'xx player will never come here, too expensive, why bother blah' and 'why don't the Sharks sign quality players instead of nuffies?'. Hmm...
I have no idea how much truth is in that news article about the Sharks being after SBW and Cooper. While it is very unlikely they would come here, imagine if they would. They would help us no end with attracting media interest, other players signing to the Sharks and supporters turning up to little old Shark Park. We will get Friday games left right and centre. This all adds up financially. To quote an old saying ' you gotta spend money to make money'. Mind you, nothing will split our supporters' opinions like the controversy of signing SBW.
Despite all this I agree with you. The Sharks should create a premiership with the youngsters we got. My point is that we could (however unlikely) sign these 2 players, in your response to your comment that we can't. If we do sign these players they will make a positive difference to our club (more likely), when you said that they won't.