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Sweet , thanks
Salary Cap Sanctions Guessing Game
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Sweet , thanks
"We had every intent to cheat, and illegally set up a way to cheat" few questions......
1. How was it illegal?
2. Since it was set up how many times have we cheated using this method?
snowman
Total gronk
1) it was set up by the club to make third party payments to keep players - that is agianst nrl rules. third party payments cant be sourced by the club and if they are have to be reported and included in the salary cap
2) twice. thats what we self reported
2) twice. thats what we self reported
snowman
Total gronk
the guy was a director of the club at the time, sourcing tpa's
which is illegal unless your report them to go into the cap.
SharkShocked
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Andrew Gee defense. At least we learnt that.
Gards
Jaws
look beyond the next few months or even next 2 seasons.
our brand was already bad, it's still bad. that's not on Barry. Difference now is we might actually have a chance to build sustainable improvements to our image and operations in the long term. our BAU culture was pretty ****ty, embarrassing actually.
notice I say a chance, it isn't guaranteed we fix things from here but if the lessons aren't heeded that's on the club.
our auditor found the problem, should he have been gagged or paid off? the board supported barry informing the NRL which he did. rip the band aid out now for small pain or bigger pain later when it's infected; there is no way this stuff doesn't come out down the track through a leak, wistleblower, separate investigation ect. we are cronulla, never far away from the next drama.
board members resigning is weak but prob for the best if they arn't the right people or are some how complicit.
we have struggled with getting and keeping major sponsors for years now, not a new thing.
Flanno our coach was already on thin ice and has pushed the envelope of what is acceptable a number of times. sucks losing him but he dug his own grave though ignorance and arrogance and the club held the shovel for him. yea the NRL itself is a inconsistent joke at times but that doesn't mean we can ignore the rules in place.
If you are ok with burying what barry found then you are ok with the next ASADA, the next cap scandal, the next player/coach revolt because that's the culture that fosters and that's the environment that gets supported top down. there's no way this wasn't going to be our last major screw up, yet alone a public one.
as a fan and member I would prefer to know about the dealings inside my club (good and bad) than be kept in the dark of blissful ignorance and cover up. that way we can make informed decisions at board elections ect. if they are being dodgy, fans and members have the right to call them out on it. **** me it would be nice to be proud of this club off the field and in the front office for a change. I've said it before but if there is any club in the league that should know better and be playing clean skins by now it is us.
I think a lot of the problem was that, traditionally, we'd been one of the straightest clubs around. Through the 80's we were perceived as the nice guys, everyone's 2nd favourite team.
The beginning of the change was when we decided that being nice guys hadn't gotten us anywhere. That's when we signed on Chris Anderson, of the Bulldog mode, and gave him free reign.
Through Anderson, Sticky, and then Flanno, we recreated our image. The team to be feared, the team that fights it out in the trenches, that grinds out a win. That won't take it lying down.
I think it was this change in culture that seeded the problems we then had with ASADA, and later with the cap. Part of the blame has to come back on us as supporters because we were so thirsty for a premiership.
In saying all of the above, if that's what got us 2016, well I wouldn't go back and change it.
The beginning of the change was when we decided that being nice guys hadn't gotten us anywhere. That's when we signed on Chris Anderson, of the Bulldog mode, and gave him free reign.
Through Anderson, Sticky, and then Flanno, we recreated our image. The team to be feared, the team that fights it out in the trenches, that grinds out a win. That won't take it lying down.
I think it was this change in culture that seeded the problems we then had with ASADA, and later with the cap. Part of the blame has to come back on us as supporters because we were so thirsty for a premiership.
In saying all of the above, if that's what got us 2016, well I wouldn't go back and change it.
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Jaws
nothing wrong with fans wanting a premiership, we are all in the game for that but we still showed we arn't even good at cheating.
you can be a tough mungral team on the field and have a competitive culture, by no means do you have to be a basket case off it
I would suggest things wern't that brilliant in the office through our 'nice guy' years either although granted far less scandalous.
I don't know what the **** anyone was thinking with dank and the peptides though
you can be a tough mungral team on the field and have a competitive culture, by no means do you have to be a basket case off it
I would suggest things wern't that brilliant in the office through our 'nice guy' years either although granted far less scandalous.
I don't know what the **** anyone was thinking with dank and the peptides though
Capital_Shark
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Its a footy team and entertains me in winter, I couldn't give a **** about club politics and board elections. If we're not broke and the team is performing I'm happy with however the administration are going about getting it done.
Our brand has stunk through good times and bad. Don't jeopardise on-field to polish that turd. Unless you're a Sharkie, you probably won't be happy until we're dead. Don't go broke and keep playing finals should ensure those ****s don't get that satisfaction.
squires990
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No opposition fan is going to have sympathy unless we suck. Same with the knights being a lot of people's second team lately - as soon as they're good again they'll be hated again.
Capital_Shark
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I can do without the sympathy.
bluey
Bull Shark
So good intentions extremly poory done > Welcome to previous club land.
I really like this new beginning, ______Onward S
bluey
Bull Shark
pooly really
bluey
Bull Shark
Its times like this i just love my dog
We were a popular team when we were playing well too. It helped having entertaining, likable players like ET, Matty Rogers, Peachey, Preston Campbell etc though I guess.
Defining alright - set us back over a decade.
Yeah I was not a fan.
Gards
Jaws
the politics and board room may not interest every fan (we are all here for the footy afterall) but that doesn't mean it should be considered not important considering it plays a major role in if we even have a viable footy team to support into the future
assume even down the track we are doing ok financially but in the office and off field we still havn't got it together and then competition rationalisation comes up again, the Sharkies brand will look like the prime candidate for relocation and re-branding (it already is the case apparently) so perhaps we shouldn't rock the apple cart but instead work on not being perpetually expendable and be able to demonstrate an ounce of professionalism. We need to get ourselves to a point where we are not a automatic selection and first picked for the ole heave hoe.
we gotta play the corporate game whether we want to or not and on-field success isn't absolutely everything in that regard
On field we still have a gun team, good structures in place and remain a destination quality players are willing to come.
The irony of good cap management (the dodgy **** didn't seem to achieve much), flanno steak and chips deals and sensible recruitment with strong youth development means the salary cap penalties over the next 2 seasons won't cripple our squad. Providing our coaching staff do their jobs we will remain a finals team for seasons to come.
assume even down the track we are doing ok financially but in the office and off field we still havn't got it together and then competition rationalisation comes up again, the Sharkies brand will look like the prime candidate for relocation and re-branding (it already is the case apparently) so perhaps we shouldn't rock the apple cart but instead work on not being perpetually expendable and be able to demonstrate an ounce of professionalism. We need to get ourselves to a point where we are not a automatic selection and first picked for the ole heave hoe.
we gotta play the corporate game whether we want to or not and on-field success isn't absolutely everything in that regard
On field we still have a gun team, good structures in place and remain a destination quality players are willing to come.
The irony of good cap management (the dodgy **** didn't seem to achieve much), flanno steak and chips deals and sensible recruitment with strong youth development means the salary cap penalties over the next 2 seasons won't cripple our squad. Providing our coaching staff do their jobs we will remain a finals team for seasons to come.