Round 21, 2010: Wests Tigers 24 - Sharks 22 At Leichhardt Oval

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Sharks' Flanagan queries no-try rulings - ABC Local

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Sharks' Flanagan queries no-try rulings
Posted August 1, 2010 11:04:00
AAP

Cronulla coach Shane Flanagan lamented key decisions which went against his side as Wests Tigers survived for a 24-22 win at Leichhardt Oval on Saturday night.

Flanagan queried no-try rulings by the officials on winger Blake Ferguson and centre Ben Pomeroy, who was hit with a "held" call in the dying seconds as he attempted to score a match-winning try.

Flanagan described the decisions collectively as "a massive turnaround".

"Whether it's (Pomeroy's effort) a try or not I don't know, I think there was some other decisions probably worse than that," Flanagan said.

Pomeroy was adamant it was a legitimate try.

"I thought I got pushed in that direction and fell on my front, the ball landed on the line," he said.

Second rower Liam Fulton bagged a double as the Tigers outscored the Sharks five tries to four in a patchy performance.

Neither Tigers coach Tim Sheens or skipper Robbie Farah were happy with what the team dished up.

"We struggled a bit, we did some good things and did some ordinary things as well," Sheens said.

The Tigers sparkled only sporadically against the lowly Sharks, who cut a 24-16 deficit back to two points with 10 minutes remaining.

Three of the visitors four tries came from bombs, with Tigers winger Lote Tuqiri enduring an uncomfortable night under the fusillade of high kicks.

Centre Chris Lawrence kicked one from two after relieving Benji Marshall of the goalkicking duties after the mercurial five-eighth landed just one out of three first-half attempts, giving him four from 14 over the last three weeks.

 

[Sharky Pete]

Absolutely ****ing robbed.

Jason Robinson should be kicked out of the NRL for being an incompentent ****head.

That was a deadset ****ing try.

Jason Robinson and Brett Suttor are a deadset ****ing insult to the refereeing profession.

They should hang up the whistle after that performance.

We were definitely deadset robbed.

Great game from the lads only to be robbed by two **** referees.

Jason Robinson is

UP UP CRONULLA!!!!!

 

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News Sharks mentor wary of fines

New Cronulla mentor Shane Flanagan clearly has one eye on his wallet and the other on domestic harmony, when it comes to bagging NRL officials.

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New Sharks mentor wary of fines
By Adrian Warren
August 1, 2010, 11:00 am

He's only been in the head coaching caper for a couple of games but new Cronulla mentor Shane Flanagan clearly has one eye on his wallet and the other on domestic harmony, when it comes to bagging NRL officials.

Flanagan felt three crucial calls went against his side in their 24-22 loss to Wests Tigers at Leichhardt Oval on Saturday night.

He described them collectively as a massive turnaround. Included among them were no try rulings against winger Blake Ferguson and centre Ben Pomeroy.

The latter came in the last few minutes when Pomeroy was adjudged to have been held, even though the momentum of the Tigers defenders appeared to push him onto their line for a potential match-winning try.

Flanagan, who recently took over the job from Ricky Stuart, queried the decisions and gave his reasons for doing so during his post-match press conference.

No doubt aware of the fines that can be imposed for directly criticising officials, Flanagan tempered his comments about the contentious decisions by resorting to humour.

"I've only just started coaching, I dont want to start complaining about referees, the wife will kill me," Flanagan quipped.

He said he was proud of his side's effort against the Tigers, especially their defence.

Beaten in his first two starts as a first-grade coach, Flanagan felt wins were just around the corner for his club, who have lost 14 of their 19 fixtures to be the only team on the table above the disgraced Storm.

"Every week from now we're going out to win, not just to compete," Flanagan said.

"I feel a lot for those boys in there because of the commitment that they gave. They battered their bodies for 80 minutes and they've done it for 21 rounds this year and haven't got a lot of reward, but they are going to get some in the next couple of weeks, I'm sure."

Flanagan was pleased with his team's improved kicking performance, which gleaned three tries from bombs.

"We've worked hard on it over the last couple of weeks," Flanagan said.
"It wasn't that crash hot last week against Canberra, that was one area we fell down, so it was good to see some results there."

 

[snowman]

that hurst so much....
robbed by a **** wit in the middle...
what did he want pom to do, he got pushed over the line!

 

[Nulla Boy]

from what i understand the ref called held so it wouldn't of been a try.
what i dont understand is if he were held why we didn't receive the penalty for gibbs coming in late.
we would've gone for the 2 for sure and had all the momentum for the last 3-4 minutes.

 

[snowman]

my understanding of that, speaking to a friend today, was it should of been a try.
and someone in high places confirmed this was a mistake call

 

[zakspiders]

i don't think it should've been a try.

def penalty to us though.

i would've been very happy if they'd made poms play the ball.

 

[Christo]

Doesnt give us the 2 points we deserve. If it was the other way round i bet either it would of gone upstairs or a try would of been awarded. Again the refs take the headlines! Getting sick of it!

 

[Nulla Boy]

what was the penalty actually for?because if he had been 10cm behind the stripe it wouldn't be a problem.so was it for placing the ball on the line after a tackle?is there actually anything in the rule book that says the ball must not touch the tryline after being held.

 

[bort]

i don't think it should've been a try.

def penalty to us though.

i would've been very happy if they'd made poms play the ball.

ball was on the line so it can't be a play the ball (although id have taken that over the actual result too)

 

[BUZ]

ball was on the line so it can't be a play the ball...

That may be so, but twice in recent weeks the Sharks have been asked to play the ball after it has ended up on the try line.

 

[Gil]

what was the penalty actually for?because if he had been 10cm behind the stripe it wouldn't be a problem.so was it for placing the ball on the line after a tackle?is there actually anything in the rule book that says the ball must not touch the tryline after being held.

The ref said
"it was double movement. He stretched his arm in order to reach the try line"

According the footy Show there is no clear definition to say a double movement has to be on the ground, it can also be while your standing up.

Either way they got it wrong and cost us 2 points AGAIN........

 

[squeak]

wish I had 10,000 to give to flanno to blow up last night .if it had of been saints parra or the dogs it would of been all they talked about on the roast

 

[bort]

That may be so, but twice in recent weeks the Sharks have been asked to play the ball after it has ended up on the try line.

Yeah I know, I think we can all agree that doesn't make it right though.

The ref said
"it was double movement. He stretched his arm in order to reach the try line"

According the footy Show there is no clear definition to say a double movement has to be on the ground, it can also be while your standing up.

Either way they got it wrong and cost us 2 points AGAIN........

A double movement occurs if you are effectively tackled with the ball carrying arm on the ground and no momentum and you then move the ball playing arm to place the ball so as to have scored a try.
If you are standing you are effectively tackled once held is called and scoring after this is essentially the same as a double movement.

As I (and many) have said if held was called we should have got a penalty, if not it was a try.
I was on another forum earlier and tigers fans were admitting the wrong decision was made there.

 

[peachey]

*facepalm*

How those clowns manage a double movement call when 4 defenders are going on with it. Held is to be called when forward progress has stopped, it clearly had not.

Really what happened was there an accident or something? How many more could there be?

SFP Mum
SFP Sister
Toops Sister
Ike's relative

 

[Gards]

Check out the comments on this game over on the daily telegraph site. Fans from alot of different clubs are sticking up for the bs that weant against the Sharks last night.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...-in-nrl-round-21/story-e6frexnr-1225899477279

Everyone is over the refs.

 

[SharkLabelSociety]

I was just watching the deleted scenes from Clerks 2 and I figured it out.

Jason Robinson and Bernard Suttor are twins separated at birth.

What happened was that Mrs Robinson's oldest son was, ahem, beating the meat in the toilet one day and forgot to clean up properly, so when his mum followed him in and sat on the toilet she was impregnated by the remains. Since they were all Catholic and stuff she wouldn't get an abortion, especially when she found out they were having twins. However, the family could only afford to have one more kid so they put the other one up for adoption.

I'm not sure what the link is here (half asleep) but apparently there is some link between this and the Sharks emblem cause whenever either of them see the black, white and blue they get all sex-nuts and retard power hungry.

 

[A.Snowden]

You have a way with words...haha

 

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Halfback One Eel Of A Problem For Parra

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Halfback one Eel of a problem for Parra
Phil Rothfield Sports Editor-at-large
August 02, 2010 12:00AM

<EDITED>

THE DUNCE

Referee Jason Robinson’s disgraceful decision not to refer to the video referee when Sharks centre Ben Pomeroy crossed for what should have been the match-winning try against the Tigers. No wonder the big professional punters have stopped betting on rugby league. Referees and not the players are now deciding the outcome of games. No one minds them making the odd mistake but it’s inexcusable when they’re ignoring help when it’s available from the video.

 

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Men in pink leave players in the dark

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Men in pink leave players in the dark
By Luke Doherty
August 2nd 2010 @ 5:33am

NRL RefsOfficially, Cronulla was not robbed of a victory on Saturday night against the Wests Tigers. But a controversial decision near the end of the game effectively denied the Sharks two competition points, and new coach Shane Flanagan’s first win in charge of the club.

With four and a half minutes left on the clock ,Sharks’ centre Ben Pomeroy was tackled 5 metres out from the Tigers’ line.

Referee Jason Robinson called held, but Tigers’ prop Bryce Gibbs joined the tackle and forced Pomeroy towards the line, where he placed it on the chalk.

Much to the surprise of both sides and the two coach’s boxes, the whistle blower gave the Tigers a penalty.

He ruled that Pomeroy should not have reached out for the line because the tackle was complete. “You’ve deliberately reached for the line,” Robinson said.

Of course he did! Why wouldn’t he have reached for the line given Gibbs had pushed him there?

Had the Sharks been awarded the try it would’ve given them a 26-24 lead with a conversion still to come.

So the incident really boiled down to two possibilities. If the tackle was complete, Gibbs should not have been able to move Pomeroy and it should have been a penalty to the Sharks. If the tackle wasn’t complete, then it was clearly a try.

I believe Robinson was right to call held when he did, and it shouldn’t have been a four pointer.

But it also should not have been a penalty to the Tigers.

The moment Bryce Gibbs forced Pomeroy further towards the line after he called held, Robinson should have had the whistle in his mouth pointing towards the Sharks.

Cronulla didn’t get any advantage from Gibbs’ action. They lost possession and their field position, at a crucial point of the game.

Sharks’ skipper Trent Barrett had a running battle with Robinson and his second in charge, Brett Suttor, for most of the night and was a figure of frustration after the match:

“He was still moving forward, that try wins us the game.”

Even Wests Tigers’ coach Tim Sheens sounded a little sheepish.

“I don’t really want to comment on it, but it was a tough night for referees with a lot of extra effort in the tackle,” Sheens said.

Refereeing is a hard job but once again there seems to be little logic applied to some crucial calls.

A quick flick through the NRL rule book reveals in section 11 that it is illegal for any player to move or try to move a tackled player from the point where the tackle is effected.

Isn’t that what Gibbs did? Didn’t he move Pomeroy from the point where Robinson had called held?

Referees boss Robert Finch revealed in the weekend papers that the referees weren’t having the best season in 2010; but we’re not asking for miracles, just a bit of common sense.