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That's good insight - so at the end of the day the squad is old and lazy
Our defence
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Jaws
Cant remember which try it was when we played the Titans (Meade's I think), anyway I think their first tackle was on their own 20m line or close to it, from there they went tackles 2,3,4 & 5 down the field followed up by a cross field kick to score, thats a 80m for a set of 6, I said to my wife when they scored "we asked for that, there's no way we should have been defending on or close to our goal line on tackle 5".
yeah this defence sounds great in theory , but it doesn't really work we should really re think our structure but i doubt flanno and sharp see anything wrong with it.
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That's good insight - so at the end of the day the squad is old and lazy
Was written in 2012 but the pattern doesn't seem to of changed. The squad is a bit old though. Is everyone aware that in terms of NRL games played the Sharks have the most experienced team in the comp? That experience is concentrated in the pigs.
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We miss Gibbs.
Whilst we most certainly employ the side-side defence without pushing up as much as other teams with an umbrella style defence, Gibbs certainly was the one who motivated line speed last year.
Whilst we most certainly employ the side-side defence without pushing up as much as other teams with an umbrella style defence, Gibbs certainly was the one who motivated line speed last year.
Sir Chadley
Jaws
So, is our defence going to be tested by Parra? They still have some game breakers despite leaking 50 points last week. You can bet they are not going to play that badly again.
I think this is the type of game where we can afford to expand a little energy and move up quickly and smash them. Treat it like the Broncos game from last year. Aggression in the first 20-30 minutes may put them on the back foot enough for us to finish them off.
I think this is the type of game where we can afford to expand a little energy and move up quickly and smash them. Treat it like the Broncos game from last year. Aggression in the first 20-30 minutes may put them on the back foot enough for us to finish them off.
That last post on the previous page cleared up a lot for me as to why we defend the way we do.
However, don't you wish there was a time in a tight game where the captain had sense, or a trainer came on with orders, to start to move up. Like last weekend against the Dragons. We were getting butt****ed, we weren't completing our sets so we were failing to build pressure on the attack; we needed to build pressure and force errors in defense. And the way we defend doesn't seem to create that pressure.
It'd be good to see the team switch it up when need be, even just for a couple of sets. The opposition wouldn't be ready for it.
However, don't you wish there was a time in a tight game where the captain had sense, or a trainer came on with orders, to start to move up. Like last weekend against the Dragons. We were getting butt****ed, we weren't completing our sets so we were failing to build pressure on the attack; we needed to build pressure and force errors in defense. And the way we defend doesn't seem to create that pressure.
It'd be good to see the team switch it up when need be, even just for a couple of sets. The opposition wouldn't be ready for it.
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Too right Opeth.
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Our defense is atrocious and I do not care for the explanation given earlier in this thread. Nowadays when the attacking gets over the halfway line they put up a bomb. We are continuously defusing bombs all day long which definitely not something that we want at the end of every set. We need to be meeting the attacking team on the advantage line and trying to force errors. If we turn the ball over inside their 10m than we should be up in their face and on the last tackle they should be kicking from their 30 or 40m line which means we we avoid the attacking bomb and also we should running the ball back to at least our 30m line, 20m at worst.
We cannot continue to give the other team easy metres.
Easy metres = a roll on aka momentum
Momentum = tries
Both of which we have proven we dont have, so why gift it to other teams. We need to bash the other teams with our quality forward pack we have.
We cannot continue to give the other team easy metres.
Easy metres = a roll on aka momentum
Momentum = tries
Both of which we have proven we dont have, so why gift it to other teams. We need to bash the other teams with our quality forward pack we have.
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Jaws
Unfortunately adapting a game plan is not one of Flanno's strengths...
Funny you mention this cause I swear we were better at keeping teams down their own end when Ricky was coaching. Still glad he's gone don't get my wrong but it used to be one of the few highlights of our grinding defensive style
steve sharky
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I firmly believe defence is the best form of attack.
Up and in can work well, if all the line moves as a unit. I'm gonna get roasted for this but here goes.
Our centers probably dont have the defensive skill to play up and in. Pom seems to have brain snaps and rush up leaving the player inside and outside of him vulnerable, and Ricky may just be a little inexperienced to play that way. Also wingers need to be on their toes to play up enough to form the umbrella, yet be aware of the chip kick or a grubber in behind the line....do we have that in our backs?
Probably not.
The forward pack has indeed missed Gibbs who I rate fairly high as a leader in defence. Graham can hit, Fifita can hit and Gibbs has the mongrel to give the pack some line speed. The others really dont show they have another gear in defence. Lewis is capable of line speed, but we havnt seen it so far.Heighinton as we all know is a great tackler and so is Gal, so if the pack just clicks and supports each other in waves I'm sure we will see a repeat of that night in Brissy.
Up and in can work well, if all the line moves as a unit. I'm gonna get roasted for this but here goes.
Our centers probably dont have the defensive skill to play up and in. Pom seems to have brain snaps and rush up leaving the player inside and outside of him vulnerable, and Ricky may just be a little inexperienced to play that way. Also wingers need to be on their toes to play up enough to form the umbrella, yet be aware of the chip kick or a grubber in behind the line....do we have that in our backs?
Probably not.
The forward pack has indeed missed Gibbs who I rate fairly high as a leader in defence. Graham can hit, Fifita can hit and Gibbs has the mongrel to give the pack some line speed. The others really dont show they have another gear in defence. Lewis is capable of line speed, but we havnt seen it so far.Heighinton as we all know is a great tackler and so is Gal, so if the pack just clicks and supports each other in waves I'm sure we will see a repeat of that night in Brissy.
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Jaws
Really? I've lost count how many times I've seen Lewis rush up and belt someone (or attempt to) He did it at least twice just on the weekend
If you were coached to sit back on the line and essentially concede metres set after set you can understand the odd player rushing up and trying to inspire their team or force an error with a release of agression. Wade/Lewis ect.
The exception is Pom's who is just a brain snap as he does it near the line and create the overlap
steve sharky
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Mate if Lewis has done that ive missed it...thats why i said he is capable of it...I really like Lewis and think in a few years time we will all be saying "Wow that Luke Lewis was the best signing for the sharks ever"
steve sharky
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Yes mate i can. It would frustrate the **** out of me to see the other team make cheap metres because we play so stagnate in defnce.( If my original post didnt come across like that...thats what i meant).
At the end of the day i reckon the style of defence we play is more susceptible to constant pressure and being dominated rater than the odd miss read when playing an umbrella/ up&in style.
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No worries, no doubts he is and will be one our key players. Stiff competition for our best singing ever, even just over the last 2 seasons alot of competition.
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BORKED? What's that mean? Is it taboo to post videos here?
Anyway, the defence.
The major fault in the defence last week wasn't the line speed. It was the ruck. The Dragons poured through at will 1-2 meters wide of the play the ball. For those at the game you surely must of seen how many times we had only one or even no markers. Blokes were lolling around on the ground unable to get up and into position. I put this down to the new ruck interpretations.
As was noted in the 2012 explanation of our defence by Sharp the Sharks have been known for their wrestle. As bad or nearly as good as Melbourne. There seems to be some legacy left from that and our tacklers lack recovery speed IMO. They are used to lying about and wrestling and not getting on with it and into position.
When that gets better perhaps some line speed will come into play but if they move up fast now, with the ruck defence a shambles other teams will be able to pick their own score.
Anyway, the defence.
The major fault in the defence last week wasn't the line speed. It was the ruck. The Dragons poured through at will 1-2 meters wide of the play the ball. For those at the game you surely must of seen how many times we had only one or even no markers. Blokes were lolling around on the ground unable to get up and into position. I put this down to the new ruck interpretations.
As was noted in the 2012 explanation of our defence by Sharp the Sharks have been known for their wrestle. As bad or nearly as good as Melbourne. There seems to be some legacy left from that and our tacklers lack recovery speed IMO. They are used to lying about and wrestling and not getting on with it and into position.
When that gets better perhaps some line speed will come into play but if they move up fast now, with the ruck defence a shambles other teams will be able to pick their own score.