NRL SHARKS FOREVER SUPERCOACH

[Proud Shark]

So we have to lock in our teams in the next few days right? After the Vegas squads are named, but we just have to guess about which cheapies are going to be named for the second week of round 1?

You can trade players up until their individual games. I just don't know if these will count as trades in rd 1 or not.

 

[bort]

You can trade players up until their individual games. I just don't know if these will count as trades in rd 1 or not.

Shouldn’t
When you trade a player then change the traded player it’s not another trade. Only once they’ve played a game for you does it become a trade.

Players should only get locked into your side as their games start

 

[Proud Shark]

Shouldn’t
When you trade a player then change the traded player it’s not another trade. Only once they’ve played a game for you does it become a trade.

Players should only get locked into your side as their games start

Come Rd 2, if I trade Cleary for Nicho it counts as a trade. You're right in saying I can swap Nicho to dce etc before they play without it counting as two trades, but that first swap counts as a trade, although I can then undo it up until they play.

I just wonder if this will kick in once the rolling lock out starts after the first game. As an example, if I trade Holmes to Hammer after the second lot of team lists, will that count. Alternatively if I do that just before kick off in their game (last of rd1) will it count as a trade?

I'm just not sure where that unlimited trades ends and your capped amount starts. My gut says all unlimited until end of round 1 but I'm not certain.

 

[Super Impose]

My understanding is that you can still swap players around until their team plays across the 2 week first round ..

Will stand corrected however I think this is correct ..

 

[Sevshark]

I only have two players in my list who are in Vegas and neither are in the 17 so guess I don't have to much cause for stress.

 

[MrDravid]

So we have to lock in our teams in the next few days right? After the Vegas squads are named, but we just have to guess about which cheapies are going to be named for the second week of round 1?

There's a rolling lockout... basically once the game starts, the players from both teams lockout but you can still trade players from teams that haven't played yet (that's true for every round). Being round one, you can trade players right up until they lockout without costing you a trade.

But you're right, you have to pretty much ignore the first two games and make your side next week (not ideal), or guess which cheapies are going to be named next week and hope you don't get caught short.

 

[Rob]

Heads up expect lower scores from Las Vegas players with a smaller field less tries, line breaks, compressed defence leading to less off loads etc even kicking meters and returns will be down.

 

[bort]

I only have two players in my list who are in Vegas and neither are in the 17 so guess I don't have to much cause for stress.

Have you tried to avoid, or just ended up that way?

I have 6!
2 in my starting side
All very subject to change though.

 

[Jaz]

Heads up expect lower scores from Las Vegas players with a smaller field less tries, line breaks, compressed defence leading to less off loads etc even kicking meters and returns will be down.

Lower scores for attacking stat-based players.

E.g. We can probably expect less tries and line breaks but the forwards are gonna be making a shitload of tackles.

 

[Super Impose]

Yeah to counter the small field - don’t be surprised if the refs let these games flow to create a fast game of footy to ensure a spectacle ..

 

[BurgoShark]

Heads up expect lower scores from Las Vegas players with a smaller field less tries, line breaks, compressed defence leading to less off loads etc even kicking meters and returns will be down.

It's only 5m narrower apparently. Basically just means tighter spacing for edge players when defending inside their own 30, so less chance of exposing the gap between centre/winger or centre/half.

Defences already compress way more than this under normal circumstances, and defenders misread, mis-count or line up in the wrong place under normal circumstances too. Those things are all still in play.

Lower scores for attacking stat-based players.

E.g. We can probably expect less tries and line breaks but the forwards are gonna be making a shitload of tackles.

Still plenty of opportunity for attacking players if the game is played like this.

Think Reece Walsh straight through ruck in the 65th minute rather than throwing a cut-out pass to his winger in the 20th.

 

[Sevshark]

Have you tried to avoid, or just ended up that way?

I have 6!
2 in my starting side
All very subject to change though.

Just ended up that way when filling out squad, figured Willison and Tallis Duncan might earn me a bit of cash.

Originally had Brooks as well but swapped him out

 

[bort]

Take with the usual grain of salt but there's a rumour Xerri been naughty so don't bank on picking him

 

[BurgoShark]

Take with the usual grain of salt but there's a rumour Xerri been naughty so don't bank on picking him

Damn - I should have started feeding rumours like this before we did the draft...

Rumour going around that Walsh has been naughty. Will happily trade for Salmon

 

[Super Impose]

Take with the usual grain of salt but there's a rumour Xerri been naughty so don't bank on picking him

Why does this rumour not shock me ..

 

[BurgoShark]

There's a rolling lockout... basically once the game starts, the players from both teams lockout but you can still trade players from teams that haven't played yet (that's true for every round). Being round one, you can trade players right up until they lockout without costing you a trade.

But you're right, you have to pretty much ignore the first two games and make your side next week (not ideal), or guess which cheapies are going to be named next week and hope you don't get caught short.

Thanks mate - and thanks also to everyone else who answered.

So just to confirm, I can either go with either...

1) Pick some players from the Vegas teams this week, and then fill my team with placeholders who I can trade out next week (for free), or

2) Don't pick any Vegas players, and figure out my entire team next week from the remaining 13 teams.

 

[Proud Shark]

Thanks mate - and thanks also to everyone else who answered.

So just to confirm, I can either go with either...

1) Pick some players from the Vegas teams this week, and then fill my team with placeholders who I can trade out next week (for free), or

2) Don't pick any Vegas players, and figure out my entire team next week from the remaining 13 teams.

I see no reason to avoid Vegas players unless there is a similar value player you are hoping will get named in that same spot next week. I don't know if there are too many examples of this.

At the moment I'll be starting with:
- Willison - Looks like one of the better FRF cheapies
- Ben Trbojevic - If named to start
- Tom Trbojevic - No explanation necessary
- Keppie - Not settled on this one but I think he's a little undervalued and trialed well.

If I wanted any of the likes of Walsh, Haas, Trell, DCE, Manu, or anyone else, this split round/the Vegas trip wouldn't stop me from picking them up. I'd just pick the side you want and almost ignore the Vegas thing unless it's a genuine toss-up (in which case I'd pick the guy named for Vegas over the guy who might get named the following week).

 

[BurgoShark]

I see no reason to avoid Vegas players unless there is a similar value player you are hoping will get named in that same spot next week. I don't know if there are too many examples of this.

At the moment I'll be starting with:
- Willison - Looks like one of the better FRF cheapies
- Ben Trbojevic - If named to start
- Tom Trbojevic - No explanation necessary
- Keppie - Not settled on this one but I think he's a little undervalued and trialed well.

If I wanted any of the likes of Walsh, Haas, Trell, DCE, Manu, or anyone else, this split round/the Vegas trip wouldn't stop me from picking them up. I'd just pick the side you want and almost ignore the Vegas thing unless it's a genuine toss-up (in which case I'd pick the guy named for Vegas over the guy who might get named the following week).

… but everyone else is basically a placeholder for now, right?

Too many questions around teams lists for that second week. As long as I can just swap guys out then all good. Grab a few from Vegas teams and swap anyone else out later.

I am across al of those blokes. Vegas hangover in round 2 might be a concern for those teams as a whole imo. Not sure how that effects SC scores but it’s the equivalent of a bye round for them that second week. Teams coming off the bye aren’t always at their best.

I guess having them coss over and play each other is the answer from the nrl… but if you buy in to the “small field, less attack” theory you might also buy in to the “all Vegas teams will be clunky for a few weeks” theory.

 

[Proud Shark]

… but everyone else is basically a placeholder for now, right?

Too many questions around teams lists for that second week. As long as I can just swap guys out then all good. Grab a few from Vegas teams and swap anyone else out later.

I am across al of those blokes. Vegas hangover in round 2 might be a concern for those teams as a whole imo. Not sure how that effects SC scores but it’s the equivalent of a bye round for them that second week. Teams coming off the bye aren’t always at their best.

I guess having them coss over and play each other is the answer from the nrl… but if you buy in to the “small field, less attack” theory you might also buy in to the “all Vegas teams will be clunky for a few weeks” theory.

I wouldn't fill with place holders, as you need to envision how the vegas guys fit into your team. I've built my team as I see it working, and will change anyone I need to with the second team lists. If you just pick place holders, you might not have enough cash to fill a position the way you want etc.

I think the crossover will help. There is also two ways to look at players. They are either there to earn money or to keep and score big points. If you're lucky they will do both. If I'm picking someone to earn money, I may be somewhat concerned about those first few weeks, especially if their spot isn't locked in. I.e Burbo/Keppie. But if I'm picking them to keep them all year it doesn't bother me. Ie Turbo/Haas. With these guys you don't really want to waste a trade to bring them in for round 3 just to skip 2 weeks.

 

[BurgoShark]

I wouldn't fill with place holders, as you need to envision how the vegas guys fit into your team. I've built my team as I see it working, and will change anyone I need to with the second team lists. If you just pick place holders, you might not have enough cash to fill a position the way you want etc.

I think the crossover will help. There is also two ways to look at players. They are either there to earn money or to keep and score big points. If you're lucky they will do both. If I'm picking someone to earn money, I may be somewhat concerned about those first few weeks, especially if their spot isn't locked in. I.e Burbo/Keppie. But if I'm picking them to keep them all year it doesn't bother me. Ie Turbo/Haas. With these guys you don't really want to waste a trade to bring them in for round 3 just to skip 2 weeks.

Yeah sweet. Understand all that. Was moreso just thinking that there will be several spots which I need to swap out based on next week's TLT. E.g. Most people will be grabbing a cheap CTW based on TLT. Is the plan to just leave myself enough cash to grab the most expensive one, so as to avoid a re-shuffle elsewhere? What if none of the cheapies make the 13 (which is possible). Do I just grab whichever one snags a bench spot and hope that he gets into the 13 later, or go back to the drawing board to save money elsewhere?