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[Proud Shark]

Yeah sweet. Understand all that. Was moreso just thinking that there will be several spots which I need to swap out based on next week's TLT. E.g. Most people will be grabbing a cheap CTW based on TLT. Is the plan to just leave myself enough cash to grab the most expensive one, so as to avoid a re-shuffle elsewhere? What if none of the cheapies make the 13 (which is possible). Do I just grab whichever one snags a bench spot and hope that he gets into the 13 later, or go back to the drawing board to save money elsewhere?

It's tough to go through this without examples. Picking bench front rowers at bottom dollar is usually okay as they get through decent work. Picking a bench utility is usually a recipe for disaster as they often score few points and make no cash.

Having some extra cash in case a bottom price cheapie isn't named, and you need to upgrade them to someone around 300k is definitely a sound strategy here. I've got almost all cheapies in my ctw so may need to reevaluate based on TLT. I'm assuming we get one or two raiders cheapies, I think Bostock is supposed to be in there. I'm hoping either Xerri or Salmon too. If that all falls apart, I may need to downgrade one of my halves or fullbacks to find some extra cash.

My current plan:
Hk - Grant + One of Lussick/Hands/Brailey based on who's named.
FRF - Flegler, Willison, Hughes + One mid range/cheapie depending on teams
2RF - Luki, Fermor, Lane, Curran, Smithies + Cheapie. There are so many mids here though that it will be an easy swap come teams
7 - Nicho + Cleary
6 - Brown + Weekes/Sezer depending on teams
CTW - Taylan May + as many cheapies as possible. I'd love to get Hammer in here if I can somehow (wondering about downgrading Cleary to start).
FLB - Ponga, Turbo. Will downgrade Turbo to Paps if I need cash.

I don't know if that helps. If you have any examples of what you're thinking it might be easier.

 

[MrDravid]

… but everyone else is basically a placeholder for now, right?

Too many questions around teams lists for that second week. As long as I can just swap guys out then all good. Grab a few from Vegas teams and swap anyone else out later.

I am across al of those blokes. Vegas hangover in round 2 might be a concern for those teams as a whole imo. Not sure how that effects SC scores but it’s the equivalent of a bye round for them that second week. Teams coming off the bye aren’t always at their best.

I guess having them coss over and play each other is the answer from the nrl… but if you buy in to the “small field, less attack” theory you might also buy in to the “all Vegas teams will be clunky for a few weeks” theory.

The Vegas teams are playing each other in round 2, so that should help mitigate that.

 

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My current plan:
Hk - Grant JMK + One of Lussick/Hands/Brailey based on who's named.
FRF - Flegler, Willison, Hughes + One mid range/cheapie depending on teams
2RF - Luki, Piakura, Fermor, Lane, Curran, Smithies + Cheapie. There are so many mids here though that it will be an easy swap come teams
7 - Nicho + Cleary
6 - Brown + Weekes/Sezer depending on teams
CTW - Taylan May + as many cheapies as possible. I'd love to get Hammer in here if I can somehow (wondering about downgrading Cleary to start).
FLB - Ponga, Turbo. Will downgrade Turbo to Paps if I need cash. Paps

193k ITB which is high but gives me flexibility come TLT2.0
If Piakura not named round 1 I'll probably move him to Luki and then try get him in a bit later, especially if one of the others isn't performing.

Shows how similar Classic can be, but it's more about making the right moves at the right time than ending up with similar lists or not.
At the end of the day my main focus is overall so I don't mind how close PS's team is to mine.
H2H you wanna try for PODs a bit more though

The Vegas teams are playing each other in round 2, so that should help mitigate that.

Just means you could see two matches where both teams are unusually sloppy rather than spreading them out.
But I'd say just as likely you have the guy who unexpectedly breaks the tackle than the guy who unexpectedly missed it, or the guy who scoops and scores rather than the guy who fumbles an easy catch

 

[Proud Shark]

My current plan:
Hk - Grant JMK + One of Lussick/Hands/Brailey based on who's named.
FRF - Flegler, Willison, Hughes + One mid range/cheapie depending on teams
2RF - Luki, Piakura, Fermor, Lane, Curran, Smithies + Cheapie. There are so many mids here though that it will be an easy swap come teams
7 - Nicho + Cleary
6 - Brown + Weekes/Sezer depending on teams
CTW - Taylan May + as many cheapies as possible. I'd love to get Hammer in here if I can somehow (wondering about downgrading Cleary to start).
FLB - Ponga, Turbo. Will downgrade Turbo to Paps if I need cash. Paps

193k ITB which is high but gives me flexibility come TLT2.0
If Piakura not named round 1 I'll probably move him to Luki and then try get him in a bit later, especially if one of the others isn't performing.

Shows how similar Classic can be, but it's more about making the right moves at the right time than ending up with similar lists or not.
At the end of the day my main focus is overall so I don't mind how close PS's team is to mine.
H2H you wanna try for PODs a bit more though


Just means you could see two matches where both teams are unusually sloppy rather than spreading them out.
But I'd say just as likely you have the guy who unexpectedly breaks the tackle than the guy who unexpectedly missed it, or the guy who scoops and scores rather than the guy who fumbles an easy catch

I'm torn on Piakura. I don't think his starting scores were that great last year, but he could easily improve. Just worried he'll be Riki mk2

 

[Sevshark]

Are expensive middles not worth it at all?
I have Tapine at the moment with 3 cheapies but will swap about if better utilised elsewhere

 

[Sevshark]

Take with the usual grain of salt but there's a rumour Xerri been naughty so don't bank on picking him

I had a look on the kennel the other night, didn't see anything about that.

Dogs fans have decided they want all our off-contract forwards though

 

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Are expensive middles not worth it at all?
I have Tapine at the moment with 3 cheapies but will swap about if better utilised elsewhere

I think having one is a valid tactic, just not the route I personally go.

Are you running him with a gun hooker, gun 5/8 and 2x half and 2x FB guns?
That's what I've got and cash is already tight elsewhere. My next highest priced player is 475, although I have quite a few in 400s

No Jayden ruins running double hooker cheapie which I was interested in, I'd consider cutting Brown if I liked two cheap 5/8 enough. Personally I'm locked into Hynes and Cleary but given the cash only running one gives you I totally get people not doing both.
I just think you wanna end up with both sooner rather than later and it'll take a lot of trades to wrangle them back in.

I had a look on the kennel the other night, didn't see anything about that.

Dogs fans have decided they want all our off-contract forwards though

It would have been something someone picked up off twitter. He did see the broncos scuffle stuff there before anyone else (as far as then putting it somewhere I would see it goes) but that doesn't make everything on twitter correct.

 

[Proud Shark]

Are expensive middles not worth it at all?
I have Tapine at the moment with 3 cheapies but will swap about if better utilised elsewhere

For me, I look at someone like Tapine, and think is he really going to score that much better than Flegler, despite costing 200k more? I want those big guns in, but the best way to do it is to generate some extra cash. If Flegler makes it to 600k, I might be able to sell one of my cheap CTW's and upgrade Flegler to Haas/Tino.

Lots of people like to start with a Tino/Haas and just hold them all year. Many ways to skin a cat here.

 

[BurgoShark]

Are expensive middles not worth it at all?
I have Tapine at the moment with 3 cheapies but will swap about if better utilised elsewhere

From what I've seen here and heard in podcasts the prevailing thinking is that your big $$ players should be fullbacks and halfbacks, and once you blow your wad on those guys you are forced to make concessions elsewhere.

E.g.

Nicho + Cleary + mid range middle... is likely to average more than Nicho or Cleary + gun middle... and even if they even out on averages, having two gun halves will give you more 100+ point games (for captains).

Seems like getting a gun middle later once you've made some money selling cheapies is a common strategy, but starting without a gun middle looks like the current thinking.

 

[Proud Shark]

From what I've seen here and heard in podcasts the prevailing thinking is that your big $$ players should be fullbacks and halfbacks, and once you blow your wad on those guys you are forced to make concessions elsewhere.

E.g.

Nicho + Cleary + mid range middle... is likely to average more than Nicho or Cleary + gun middle... and even if they even out, having two gun halves will give you more 100+ point games (for captains).

Absoultely a strategy. Another is to think about their runs. Panthers have a tough draw to start, so there's every chance Cleary averages 75 ish over the first 5 rounds, which will bring his price down significantly. Those consistent middles are less likely to lose cash unless they get a HIA in game or something. I'd expect the likes of Nicho/Cleary/Ponga to fluctuate between 700k-1.1m across the year.

It's hard as you need to find the balance between scoring points and making money to do well in overall. All whilst managing your trades and how many players you field in the big bye rounds.

 

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Even if I was able to run two cheapie hookers (jayden + Hands/Lussick) I more likely would have spent the extra savings on upgrading CTW to guys like Hammer & RTS than going to someone like Haas due to potential upside.

Someone like Haas I usually hope gets some reduced minutes around origin time and I can pick him up when that is out of the way and his price has dropped a fraction.
In this case though doesn't help I also have Flegler as my easiest upgrade who is just as likely to drop some minutes around this time.
Wilison could score some extra minutes though to contribute

 

[Sevshark]

I think having one is a valid tactic, just not the route I personally go.

Are you running him with a gun hooker, gun 5/8 and 2x half and 2x FB guns?
That's what I've got and cash is already tight elsewhere. My next highest priced player is 475, although I have quite a few in 400s

No Jayden ruins running double hooker

yeah currently have with Tapine;
Grant+cheapie(still not 100% settled waiting on teamlist(
Hynes/cleary
Ponga/paps

Have dearden/weekes at 5/8 so just thinking do I swap out Tapine to try and get Brown?

 

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yeah currently have with Tapine;
Grant+cheapie(still not 100% settled waiting on teamlist(
Hynes/cleary
Ponga/paps

Have dearden/weekes at 5/8 so just thinking do I swap out Tapine to try and get Brown?

Just think who else you would swap in and do you think Brown+them scores more than Dearden+Tapine

For me Dearden's average last year was a bit low for someone who scored 7 tries and partners someone who themselves isn't a SC gun.
I think Drinky scores a lot of their SC points. At this stage there is no proven upside to refind either, as he scored same average the year before when they were good.

In saying that, I like Dearden as a player so if someone backed him to take on a bit more responsibility and up his game I wouldn't argue he can't.

I rate Taps and it's hard to see him falling off much but with a stack of young forwards + Horse emerging and Smithies there now it's probably more likely he gets a few less minutes a game than a few more, even with Papali'i also likely to play a few less minutes.

 

[Sparkles]

I think having one is a valid tactic, just not the route I personally go.

Are you running him with a gun hooker, gun 5/8 and 2x half and 2x FB guns?
That's what I've got and cash is already tight elsewhere. My next highest priced player is 475, although I have quite a few in 400s

No Jayden ruins running double hooker cheapie which I was interested in, I'd consider cutting Brown if I liked two cheap 5/8 enough. Personally I'm locked into Hynes and Cleary but given the cash only running one gives you I totally get people not doing both.
I just think you wanna end up with both sooner rather than later and it'll take a lot of trades to wrangle them back in.


It would have been something someone picked up off twitter. He did see the broncos scuffle stuff there before anyone else (as far as then putting it somewhere I would see it goes) but that doesn't make everything on twitter correct.

I know the points are there to justify running Hynes and Cleary, but if you're also starting with Brown then that's a three gun halves strategy and a buttload of cap. I can see this year that there are enough 2RF mids to claw back some cash, but I think you have to have a two-gun FB strategy as well... which leaves you very short in the front row and CTW positions without clear-cut cheapies to rely on. I can see why most people will run out with virtually the same teams to start with - PODs are all risk and little reward right now.

I like your idea of starting JMK at hooker (probably because he was in my build already). There's a compelling case that he'll improve again this year and he isn't far behind Grant now, and there's more money to spend elsewhere with him instead... having said that, my current build has Egan as my second hooker. Not sure if I'll stick with that, but I'm thinking there's a few opportunities to generate good money off a fair base value and jump to some better players. We'll see what happens in the Hooker cheapies though.... this year feels like a mess already!

 

[Proud Shark]

Dearden also has that huge 170 game inflating his average a bit. That was an outlier for him. Hope he takes the next step but it's a risk for me.

Jmk looking more attractive now too as I've just seen the phins play all 3 big byes.

 

[Sevshark]

Dearden also has that huge 170 game inflating his average a bit. That was an outlier for him. Hope he takes the next step but it's a risk for me.

Jmk looking more attractive now too as I've just seen the phins play all 3 big byes.

Ahh see I had no idea about that

 

[BurgoShark]

Dearden also has that huge 170 game inflating his average a bit. That was an outlier for him. Hope he takes the next step but it's a risk for me.

Jmk looking more attractive now too as I've just seen the phins play all 3 big byes.

This was a factor for me in taking some extra Phins in the draft.

 

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I know the points are there to justify running Hynes and Cleary, but if you're also starting with Brown then that's a three gun halves strategy and a buttload of cap. I can see this year that there are enough 2RF mids to claw back some cash, but I think you have to have a two-gun FB strategy as well... which leaves you very short in the front row and CTW positions without clear-cut cheapies to rely on. I can see why most people will run out with virtually the same teams to start with - PODs are all risk and little reward right now.

I like your idea of starting JMK at hooker (probably because he was in my build already). There's a compelling case that he'll improve again this year and he isn't far behind Grant now, and there's more money to spend elsewhere with him instead... having said that, my current build has Egan as my second hooker. Not sure if I'll stick with that, but I'm thinking there's a few opportunities to generate good money off a fair base value and jump to some better players. We'll see what happens in the Hooker cheapies though.... this year feels like a mess already!

Yeah the 6 guns in the spine only works because of all the midrange 2RFs.
There are barely enough cheap CTWs to also support it - bordering on not enough.

Egan I jumped on last season when he was looking good but too many injuries to trust him again. Even some of the games he didn't go off early he got pretty bashed up. He did play very well for the most part when on though so not a bad shout.

Last five years though, 18/25 18/20 20/24 20/24 19/27 80% of games. Certainly not awful but not ideal from a guy not playing SOO as an excuse.

If he stays healthy while you have him he should score well for you though.

 

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Dearden also has that huge 170 game inflating his average a bit. That was an outlier for him. Hope he takes the next step but it's a risk for me.

Jmk looking more attractive now too as I've just seen the phins play all 3 big byes.

I wouldn't stress about major byes too much yet, something to consider more after first five weeks or so. Still 8 weeks to keep in mind which is heaps.
But in saying that it's a fantastic tie breaker if your torn between two players to start with.

 

[MrDravid]

Kane Bradley now dual 2RF/CTW