Official Nicho Hynes

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Just remember, they are what - 10 games and one full pre season of training together? We need to give them time. On top of that they are both still learning their craft at NRL level.

For sure, I was commenting on the now, not their ceiling.
In saying that, if Trindall can't reliably accurately kick long (if that theory is true) I doubt it is because Hynes also exists. But is something he can still develop further, as can Hynes.

 

[Sharkfox]

I said it in the match thread on the weekend but I honestly think Trindall & Hynes should swap jumpers. We need a halfback that is a playmaker and as much.as I love Nicho it ain't who he is.

Hynes to 6, Trindall to 7.

He's a running 5-8

Let Trindall game manage and get more experience at it while its early in the season

 

[vicsharkfan]

I’m more worried that trindal is still getting hyped, not hating on the bloke I’m not sold on him long term as played 50+ games and been in the system long enough now time we start seeing more than potential

 

[Gumby]

I’m more worried that trindal is still getting hyped, not hating on the bloke I’m not sold on him long term as played 50+ games and been in the system long enough now time we start seeing more than potential

He’s best games were last year when he was the man in charge. Without Nicho playing as well.

 

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He’s best games were last year when he was the man in charge. Without Nicho playing as well.

Not wrong but we lost 2/3 of those so they are hardly a golden age to look back on

We lost to the bunnies (9th)
Barely edged past the eels (10th)
Lost to the raiders (8th)

And against eels I think they started well and we managed to peg them back while gutho was off with an HIA, luckily Trindall brought the kicking boots as both teams scored 5 tries

So yeah, I did think he played decent then, but it’s not like it’s a string of wins he pulled off against good opposition.

 

[Wizard]

Not wrong but we lost 2/3 of those so they are hardly a golden age to look back on

We lost to the bunnies (9th)
Barely edged past the eels (10th)
Lost to the raiders (8th)

And against eels I think they started well and we managed to peg them back while gutho was off with an HIA, luckily Trindall brought the kicking boots as both teams scored 5 tries

So yeah, I did think he played decent then, but it’s not like it’s a string of wins he pulled off against good opposition.

His individual performances those games got him pretty much two man of the matches

Pipe down.

 

[BurgoShark]

Not wrong but we lost 2/3 of those so they are hardly a golden age to look back on

We lost to the bunnies (9th)
Barely edged past the eels (10th)
Lost to the raiders (8th)

And against eels I think they started well and we managed to peg them back while gutho was off with an HIA, luckily Trindall brought the kicking boots as both teams scored 5 tries

So yeah, I did think he played decent then, but it’s not like it’s a string of wins he pulled off against good opposition.

Think they were all in front that game.

So you are right. Difficult kicks for him. He was on song

 

[Deleted member 3365]

Not wrong but we lost 2/3 of those so they are hardly a golden age to look back on

We lost to the bunnies (9th)
Barely edged past the eels (10th)
Lost to the raiders (8th)

And against eels I think they started well and we managed to peg them back while gutho was off with an HIA, luckily Trindall brought the kicking boots as both teams scored 5 tries

So yeah, I did think he played decent then, but it’s not like it’s a string of wins he pulled off against good opposition.

I got to admit, even though we lost 2/3. Moylan and Trindall looked on song. Even that game against Storm a few years back they look structured.

There's wasn't a reliance on one playmaker.

 

[MrDravid]

I’m more worried that trindal is still getting hyped, not hating on the bloke I’m not sold on him long term as played 50+ games and been in the system long enough now time we start seeing more than potential

Trindall never really showed he could consistently dominate at Cup level, not sure why we're expecting him to do it at NRL level.

 

[HaroldBishop]

Trindall never really showed he could consistently dominate at Cup level, not sure why we're expecting him to do it at NRL level.

Not sure he's over hyped (excpet by Sam on Sharkcast!).

All we really need him to do is perform his role like how Sezer did the other night. We don't need a superstar.

I like Tricky but I'm not convinced yet that he's the answer btw, needs more time.

 

[Thresher]

Trindall's not particularly fast so his kicking game and organisational skills need to be exceptional.

Already a very good defender of course, and I like that he's a scrapper.

 

[Western Sharkie]

Trindall's not particularly fast so his kicking game and organisational skills need to be exceptional.

Already a very good defender of course, and I like that he's a scrapper.

…….and seems to be quick thinking a bit “crafty” (more so than other halves we’ve had in the past anyway) based on a few plays I’ve seen from him over the last few seasons.

 

[HaroldBishop]

Trindall's not particularly fast so his kicking game and organisational skills need to be exceptional.

Already a very good defender of course, and I like that he's a scrapper.

Yeah I love this as well. Not the most talented player but he does the one percenters which I love, much like Latrell....

 

[Sir Chadley]

Trindall's not particularly fast so his kicking game and organisational skills need to be exceptional.

Already a very good defender of course, and I like that he's a scrapper.

He's not alone in this, who do we have we could say is a genuine speedster. I think the fastest at our club is in NSW Cup, Stonestreet. But funnily enough, in his interview with the Fins Up boys, he said that Ronnie is the one that is closest to him in speed. Strange considering that Ronnie got run down by Flegler a year or two ago. I did see that break Sione made in the first half, any other decent winger would have sprinted away but he was caught by three guys before he got anywhere near the halfway line. Not sure if he still had to beat Bula but he was easily caught.

 

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Jackson Hastings’ attitude couldn’t have been better while playing NSW Cup over the weekend. The Knights halfback not only set up five tries in his side’s 50-24 win over the Bears, but he was very vocal and involved.

He had the support of several of his teammates too including Tyson Gamble and Adam Elliott, who stood on the sideline for a chunk of the Cup game to watch on.

Hastings finished the game with two linebreak assists, 73 metres and 13 tackles — no misses — to go with his five try assists.

This was playing for the last placed team, against the second placed team.

Obviously Jacko much more experienced half, and this was a bit of a 'prove yourself' game from him, but this is the kind of effort from an 'NRL quality' 7 in a NSW Cup game that earns you a chance somewhere*

Trindall used to play okay, or reasonably well, then have people in here saying we should be promising him our 7 or arguing when he didn't play well it was because why should he in Cup.
And now he is only going okay in NRL.

Not saying there is nothing there but he looks pretty similar to me in NRL as he did in Cup, where he was 7 and didn't have Hynes supposedly limiting him.
Has he actually even improved in the last 3 years as a fulltime part of an NRL club? Not as much as I expected him to that's for sure.

I don't see anyone pressuring him at this stage until Dykes can really settle in, and Trindall should continue to develop in his role with the NRL team, but I've been disappointed by him and don't see his unproven (but perceived) elite game management skills being both so good they can help us improve but so quiet he just lets Hynes do 100% of it, he is still one of our two halves afterall.

*obviously Hastings has had many chances and people seem to point back at personality a lot. Like Maloney he can't stick a club.

 

[BurgoShark]

He's not alone in this, who do we have we could say is a genuine speedster. I think the fastest at our club is in NSW Cup, Stonestreet. But funnily enough, in his interview with the Fins Up boys, he said that Ronnie is the one that is closest to him in speed. Strange considering that Ronnie got run down by Flegler a year or two ago. I did see that break Sione made in the first half, any other decent winger would have sprinted away but he was caught by three guys before he got anywhere near the halfway line. Not sure if he still had to beat Bula but he was easily caught.

Meh - players are a little slower when they have the ball than when they don't, and once Bula is in the picture it pushes him across the field towards the second guy.

Katoa V Bula in a foot race

Katoa V Bula in a foot race

www.nrl.com

Looking at it mathematically...
- Bula starts 1m behind Katoa and travels 39m while Katoa travels 38m... in ~5 seconds.
- Tigers near-side winger starts

Katoa travelling 27.37km/h
Bula travelling 28.08km/h

Bula without the ball is 0.025% faster than Katoa with the ball

I think Sione was just unlucky that Bula is right next to him when he makes the break. He burned Galvin and the far side winger.

 

[HaroldBishop]

He's not alone in this, who do we have we could say is a genuine speedster. I think the fastest at our club is in NSW Cup, Stonestreet. But funnily enough, in his interview with the Fins Up boys, he said that Ronnie is the one that is closest to him in speed. Strange considering that Ronnie got run down by Flegler a year or two ago. I did see that break Sione made in the first half, any other decent winger would have sprinted away but he was caught by three guys before he got anywhere near the halfway line. Not sure if he still had to beat Bula but he was easily caught.

Then you look at Manly's back 5, man they're fast and great to watch.

 

[Gards]

For Moylans faults something he was good at was holding up defenders in the line and digging into the line opening up time and space for others. He would do this at various paces from slow to fast depending on the situation and had some sleight of hand about it. Ofcourse he didn't always get it right which is the case for any player.

Tricky seems to be a more direct player that plays flatter and does everything at 100 miles an hour with less subtlety or poise.

Nothing wrong with that but it doesn't seem to suit our attack as much alongside Hynes who is kinda erratic at times and while Nicho will dig into the line he generally just stops running and takes a tackle or throws an impossible short pass (or a brilliant long cut out ball tbf)

Tricky seems like less of a genuine play maker option than Moylan but Mozza had the benefit of fullback & 5/8 experience where's Tricky has spent of lot of his time @ 7.

We can say that changing Nicho and Trickys jersey numbers won't change anything but that's only the case if the coach swaps the jersey and doesn't take any further action about their roles, structure, tactics ect. If Fitz is the one in charge then those things are absolutely within his control.

 

[Proud Shark]

For Moylans faults something he was good at was holding up defenders in the line and digging into the line opening up time and space for others. He would do this at various paces from slow to fast depending on the situation and had some sleight of hand about it. Ofcourse he didn't always get it right which is the case for any player.

Tricky seems to be a more direct player that plays flatter and does everything at 100 miles an hour with less subtlety or poise.

Nothing wrong with that but it doesn't seem to suit our attack as much alongside Hynes who is kinda erratic at times and while Nicho will dig into the line he generally just stops running and takes a tackle or throws an impossible short pass (or a brilliant long cut out ball tbf)

Tricky seems like less of a genuine play maker option than Moylan but Mozza had the benefit of fullback & 5/8 experience where's Tricky has spent of lot of his time @ 7.

We can say that changing Nicho and Trickys jersey numbers won't change anything but that's only the case if the coach swaps the jersey and doesn't take any further action about their roles, structure, tactics ect. If Fitz is the one in charge then those things are absolutely within his control.

I think this is it. They are still in the infancy of working out the new combination, and there is no doubt tricky plays very differently to Moylan, and has a heap less experience.

There's obviously a reason why they are playing the roles they are. Maybe it's about keeping pressure off tricky, maybe it's because tricky doesn't talk enough, who knows. I'm pretty confident its not because the players are in charge, however. Fitz may be a rookie coach, but nothing about him strikes me as the put up with anyone's **** type.

 

[HaroldBishop]

I think this is it. They are still in the infancy of working out the new combination, and there is no doubt tricky plays very differently to Moylan, and has a heap less experience.

There's obviously a reason why they are playing the roles they are. Maybe it's about keeping pressure off tricky, maybe it's because tricky doesn't talk enough, who knows. I'm pretty confident its not because the players are in charge, however. Fitz may be a rookie coach, but nothing about him strikes me as the put up with anyone's **** type.

He tolerates @Sir Chadley's emails.