Official Nicho Hynes

[Sparkles]

Also not a game management issue.

I'm not defending his crap performance. I just fail to see how dropped balls, kicks ootf and missed tackles equate to poor game management.

I suppose there's an argument that the crap passes and kicks are poor management, as they weren't part of a game plan and no-one (at least looked like they) expected them. But then what's good game management verses your favourite and mine, eyes up footy? Was Nicho being the cool ad lib dude and it's just that no-one else gets him? Or is he going off script and messing things up? How can we know?

The looks of confusion and a fair bit of blame laying didn't look great imho.

 

[Gumby]

Is anyone else here slightly concerned we’ve jumped the gun in extending him for as long and for as much as we have?

 

[HaroldBishop]

Is anyone else here slightly concerned we’ve jumped the gun in extending him for as long and for as much as we have?

It's easy to say that but what other options did we have? Plus he did just come off winning the Daily M.

Our hands were tied really. Would have preferred if he had a good year initially without going as well as he did. Sounds strange, I know.

He seems to want to be the main man, I'm just not sure he's up to it.

 

[Proud Shark]

No. The dolphins shifted the player market massively, and it will happen again if we move to 18 teams. Key halves are simply not coming off contract, but are being locked up long term before they become available. Locking up one of those spots with a fantastic player is a great call for the side.

The thing I like most about Nicho (other than the hair) is his accountability for his performance and clear focus to work hard at improving. At least that is the public facing appearance anyway.

I think he's got plenty of improvement left.

 

[Jaz]

Is anyone else here slightly concerned we’ve jumped the gun in extending him for as long and for as much as we have?

Not concerned because we've seen his quality, but if he keeps misfiring it might mean we need to bring in a more traditional halfback to take some of the pressure off him. It would suck for Tricky but we've gone all in on Nicho, so his long term halves partner will be someone who can bring the best out of him.

I know people say it's just a number, and Nicho seems to want the 7, but IMO his best moments come when he's running wider and playing eyes up footy.

 

[Gumby]

It's easy to say that but what other options did we have? Plus he did just come off winning the Daily M.

Our hands were tied really. Would have preferred if he had a good year initially without going as well as he did. Sounds strange, I know.

He seems to want to be the main man, I'm just not sure he's up to it.

I’m more worried than he doesn’t have the mental edge to really break through and become a true elite player week in week out. Also not sure if it’s a coaching thing or what not but he really needs to add some strings to his bow especially in his kicking game.

 

[BlackWhiteBlue]

Is anyone else here slightly concerned we’ve jumped the gun in extending him for as long and for as much as we have?

Not really. But Nicho does need to man up a but.

Got dropped from origin, every time a reporter asks about it he goes on and on. Just shut it down, say **** it i got dropped, ive moved on.

He has all the skill in the world, mentally im not sure he can handle being the million $ man. Whatever the **** happened last week better not become a regular thing

 

[Ryan McGoldrick #1 Fan]

His mum must be up to no good again.

Was spooked after those two kicks, and who knows what he was doing with that lack of intent to gather up the **** offload from I think it was Toby

 

[Gumby]

His mum must be up to no good again.

Was spooked after those two kicks, and who knows what he was doing with that lack of intent to gather up the **** offload from I think it was Toby

Yeah there’s stories that his mum is back in trouble. But not my place to really say because I don’t know the full story. Just hope she can turn it around.

 

[Wizard]

Is anyone else here slightly concerned we’ve jumped the gun in extending him for as long and for as much as we have?

I’m ok with him just not ok with his role

 

[Wizard]

Not concerned because we've seen his quality, but if he keeps misfiring it might mean we need to bring in a more traditional halfback to take some of the pressure off him. It would suck for Tricky but we've gone all in on Nicho, so his long term halves partner will be someone who can bring the best out of him.

I know people say it's just a number, and Nicho seems to want the 7, but IMO his best moments come when he's running wider and playing eyes up footy.

Yep and if you go to market looking for a partner to help Hynes… hint hint you’re going looking for a halfback not a five eighth which tells you everything

 

[MrDravid]

Yep and if you go to market looking for a partner to help Hynes… hint hint you’re going looking for a halfback not a five eighth which tells you everything

Don't we already have a halfback partnering him?

 

[BurgoShark]

What he needs is a version of Matt Moylan that can both kick and tackle.

Not sure what aisle of Bunnings you get one of those.

 

[Gumby]

Don't we already have a halfback partnering him?

Yeah but he’s out of position

 

[Proud Shark]

I get that Tricky looks more like a natural 7 and Hynes more of a natural 6. It's a very simple way to look at it from the outside.

But no one can surely think that all you need to do to get that combination humming is to swap their roles, right? If it was that simple it would have happened already. There's nothing any of us are seeing from the couch that the coach isn't. I mean, if Williams trained heaps of the offseason on an edge, you can be damn sure Tricky got some reps at 7 in case we had injuries.

I assume that there are areas of Tricky's game that aren't there yet. The main one I noticed is that the first receiver's role of digging deep into the line to create space for the outside men. I don't think he does that well enough yet. But outside that there are things that I can't see like the Leadership/communication skills required to steer a team. It is possible that these aren't there yet.

We also see what the media does to halfbacks. Look at Illias, so much of the flak for Souths being **** has been lumped on him as the halfback. This is despite the fact that the players around him, especially his halves partner haven't been stepping up to take the pressure off him. At this stage, I'd much rather Nicho take that pressure off Tricky and allow him to build into his role with confidence.

 

[Gards]

Trindall kicked almost as much as Nicho on the weekend.

Yea but I'm referring to distance and type of kicking over outright quantity.

They had almost same number of kicks but Tricky had 120m less off his boot which says to me either he was really under kicking them or he wasn't given enough of the clearing kick duties.

Further investigating the stats confirms the later - Tricky of his 11 kicks, 5 were bombs and 3 were grubbers so lets call them attacking kicks.

That means Hynes was doing the bulk of clearing kicks instead of the guy with the biggest boot in our team. Sometimes it's not about giving chasers a chance, it's just about getting the ball as far down the other end as possible or sending up a torp to try and force an error.

 

[Wizard]

Don't we already have a halfback partnering him?

That we are making play 6

 

[egg]

His mum must be up to no good again.

Was spooked after those two kicks, and who knows what he was doing with that lack of intent to gather up the **** offload from I think it was Toby

I was thinking that .
Having her and her carry on in your face 24/7 wouldn't be easy

 

[bort]

Yea but I'm referring to distance and type of kicking over outright quantity.

They had almost same number of kicks but Tricky had 120m less off his boot which says to me either he was really under kicking them or he wasn't given enough of the clearing kick duties.

Further investigating the stats confirms the later - Tricky of his 11 kicks, 5 were bombs and 3 were grubbers so lets call them attacking kicks.

That means Hynes was doing the bulk of clearing kicks instead of the guy with the biggest boot in our team. Sometimes it's not about giving chasers a chance, it's just about getting the ball as far down the other end as possible or sending up a torp to try and force an error.

Wouldn't a torp fall under bomb though?

Broadly speaking I agree Hynes does a lot of the longer kicking as far as I can see, and he maybe shouldn't. But where the correct kick may be a torp if Trindall can do that he's probably had opportunities to do it.

While Trindall has hit some 40/20s and maybe does have a longer kick my sense is they don't trust his placement of these kicks.
Reasoning being 1) we don't see him take them as much 2) I have seen him practice them in 0 of 1 trainings vs Nicho who practiced long kicks in 1/1 trainings

(Was a captains run, so an abbreviated training, hopefully the both practice a range of kicks through each week)

 

[apezza]

Wouldn't a torp fall under bomb though?

Broadly speaking I agree Hynes does a lot of the longer kicking as far as I can see, and he maybe shouldn't. But where the correct kick may be a torp if Trindall can do that he's probably had opportunities to do it.

While Trindall has hit some 40/20s and maybe does have a longer kick my sense is they don't trust his placement of these kicks.
Reasoning being 1) we don't see him take them as much 2) I have seen him practice them in 0 of 1 trainings vs Nicho who practiced long kicks in 1/1 trainings

(Was a captains run, so an abbreviated training, hopefully the both practice a range of kicks through each week)

Just remember, they are what - 10 games and one full pre season of training together? We need to give them time. On top of that they are both still learning their craft at NRL level.