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It will be interesting if Tracey leaves too as is being reported. That leaves some money available for a new signing or even a mid season next year. I'm a fan of the mid season signing because you can get value from a disgruntled player wanting out.

What does this mean for top 30? We'll see.
 
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CHOGM said:
It will be interesting if Tracey leaves too as is being reported. That leaves some money available for a new signing or even a mid season next year. I'm a fan of the mid season signing because you can get value from a disgruntled player wanting out.

What does this mean for top 30? We'll see.
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I think between Dykes, Atkinson and Puru we probably have enough halves depth not to need to bring in another one.
I'd already expect Hiroti bumps back into the 30. Even more so if Tracey leaves, but obviously someone else comes in then too.

The trick with midseason signings is it always seems to be the big clubs who land the good ones - we need to play under cap for a while but be competitive enough we are a good landing spot for someone who becomes available. If we get an injury Tracey would cover without him we may sit a couple spots lower on the ladder and then not land the available player anyway...
 
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My summary of Moylans Shark Career

2018: Mixed Bag - couldn't pass, couldn't catch but had some good games later on and showed up traitor Maloney in finals against Panthers. Showed his class and potential at times but legs were starting to go and his timing was way off at times.

2019: Injured (probably) Crap (probably). honestly don't even remember him this season

2020: Injured (defs) Crap (defs) Attitude and commitment questionable

2021: Injured (defs) - crap (probably) at least had a crack in defense.

2022: Good season

2023: Mixed Bag. Handy with ball but couldn't tackle


Decent nice fella off the pitch, a very topsy turvey NRL career
 
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My summary of Moylans Shark Career

2018: Mixed Bag - couldn't pass, couldn't catch but had some good games later on and showed up traitor Maloney in finals against Panthers. Showed his class and potential at times but legs were starting to go and his timing was way off at times.

2019: Injured (probably) Crap (probably). honestly don't even remember him this season

2020: Injured (defs) Crap (defs) Attitude and commitment questionable

2021: Injured (defs) - crap (probably) at least had a crack in defense.

2022: Good season

2023: Mixed Bag. Handy with ball but couldn't tackle


Decent nice fella off the pitch, a very topsy turvey NRL career
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Most years he has been good when he plays, only remember one multi game stretch of garbage (before this year), def some issues as he swapped back and forth between positions too

2021 in 15 games
1st: William Kennedy - 38
2nd: Toby Rudolf - 15
3rd: Jack Williams - 11.5
4th: Connor Tracey - 11
5th: Matt Moylan - 10.5

2019 in 11 games
1st: Shaun Johnson - 20.5
2nd: Chad Townsend - 19.5
3rd: Josh Morris - 14
4th: Braden Hamlin-Uele - 13
5th: Josh Dugan - 11.5
6th: Andrew Fifita - 10
7th: Matt Moylan - 8

In 2020 he missed two rounds (then we had covid break), played bench, played FE, missed a game, played FB 3 weeks in a row, missed 4 games, played FE 3 games in a row, done for the season. Even then we won 5/7 games he started in a year our overall winrate was 50%
But really between the moves and injuries he didn't have much hope of having a 'good' season there.

In 2019 he got 5 of his 8 votes in round 1 and 2 - he did play 3 but then was gone until round 11, played a decent stint after that but only had one more 3 point game, his round 11 return. We did have a big win the next week but then was a string of four 1-2 point losses (all four we scored more tries than oppositon, SJ goal kicking). He missed round 23 onwards, through to final.

I should add, overall objectively speaking I consider Moylan a bad signing.
I think it made sense at the time and I think he generally played good football for us - when playing. Not sure what evidence there is he didn't take his rehab seriously enough (besides smirking) and a lot of his struggles (injury and form) stemmed from being moved around, which was out of his control. But overall I would say for expenditure vs what we got, bad signing.
His 2022 contract extension was probably (safe to say?) his best contract with us.
 
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2019 he wasn't bad. He was just constantly injured - but was a MotM candidate any time he got healthy.
 
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2019 in 11 games
1st: Shaun Johnson - 20.5
2nd: Chad Townsend - 19.5
3rd: Josh Morris - 14
4th: Braden Hamlin-Uele - 13
5th: Josh Dugan - 11.5
6th: Andrew Fifita - 10
7th: Matt Moylan - 8
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Why didn't we keep this bloke?
 
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Most years he has been good when he plays, only remember one multi game stretch of garbage (before this year), def some issues as he swapped back and forth between positions too

2021 in 15 games
1st: William Kennedy - 38
2nd: Toby Rudolf - 15
3rd: Jack Williams - 11.5
4th: Connor Tracey - 11
5th: Matt Moylan - 10.5

2019 in 11 games
1st: Shaun Johnson - 20.5
2nd: Chad Townsend - 19.5
3rd: Josh Morris - 14
4th: Braden Hamlin-Uele - 13
5th: Josh Dugan - 11.5
6th: Andrew Fifita - 10
7th: Matt Moylan - 8

In 2020 he missed two rounds (then we had covid break), played bench, played FE, missed a game, played FB 3 weeks in a row, missed 4 games, played FE 3 games in a row, done for the season. Even then we won 5/7 games he started in a year our overall winrate was 50%
But really between the moves and injuries he didn't have much hope of having a 'good' season there.

In 2019 he got 5 of his 8 votes in round 1 and 2 - he did play 3 but then was gone until round 11, played a decent stint after that but only had one more 3 point game, his round 11 return. We did have a big win the next week but then was a string of four 1-2 point losses (all four we scored more tries than oppositon, SJ goal kicking). He missed round 23 onwards, through to final.
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Are we going the snowman path of using 3-2-1 votes as hard evidence of a player's performance?
 
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Are we going the snowman path of using 3-2-1 votes as hard evidence of a player's performance?
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I'd characterise them as 'easy evidence'

If a player is getting votes from the forum we are obviously liking what we see, especially when it comes to generally unpopular players like Moylan.
Definitive and concrete evidence they are not, but why even have it if you can't look at it at the end of the season and surmise the players with the most votes must have had a some good games.

Keen to see his votes per ball in play breakdown compared to the others though...

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Why didn't we keep this bloke?
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Unfortunately we just couldn't match Cows big offer! Devastating...
 
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bort said:
I'd characterise them as 'easy evidence'

If a player is getting votes from the forum we are obviously liking what we see, especially when it comes to generally unpopular players like Moylan.
Definitive and concrete evidence they are not, but why even have it if you can't look at it at the end of the season and surmise the players with the most votes must have had a some good games.

Keen to see his votes per ball in play breakdown compared to the others though...

Unfortunately we just couldn't match Cows big offer! Devastating...
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Fair enough*

Unfortunately though the reverse is not true. Lack of votes is not evidence of anything. A player could be the best on ground 10 weeks in a row in the eyes of the coach and his teammates, but get zero votes from the forum.

* good games and/or people made extra accounts to vote for him so they could deliberately screw up the system.
 
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BurgoShark said:
Fair enough*

Unfortunately though the reverse is not true. Lack of votes is not evidence of anything. A player could be the best on ground 10 weeks in a row in the eyes of the coach and his teammates, but get zero votes from the forum.

* good games and/or people made extra accounts to vote for him so they could deliberately screw up the system.
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I agree lack of votes is not evidence of bad, votes are probably still evidence of good though.
Generally speaking those who vote either think the 3-2-1 had the best games, or contributed the most to the win (,or played the best for their role and value) but they say nothing about the other players who they do not give votes for.

I'm not convinced too many people would have been making extra accounts to vote for Moyza haha
 
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I agree lack of votes is not evidence of bad, votes are probably still evidence of good though.
Generally speaking those who vote either think the 3-2-1 had the best games, or contributed the most to the win (,or played the best for their role and value) but they say nothing about the other players who they do not give votes for.

I'm not convinced too many people would have been making extra accounts to vote for Moyza haha
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Yeah - I’m not trashing the system. Just saying yeah no votes doesn’t mean someone wasn’t good.
 
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A player could have x9 (321 votes) in a season but that might just mean that player had 3 stand out games in a season and the rest were trash but Bort made the effort to provide commentary and to expand upon the votes and provide the context which is necessary unless a player clean sweaps outright wins the 321 you know they had a good overall season. (or were best of a bad bunch)

I thought there were murmurs during Mozza's stadium seated face smirking injury seasons that he was taking the piss a bit with his rehab and wasn't a good trainer. But I might be getting confused with SJ who JMO called out as having bad attitude during rehab.

If Mozza had some darts then no doubt he would have been on the drink too. I remember pre-season 2022 before his best year it was noted he had got of the booze and it helped his fitness and form.

A bloke's allowed to have some fun on his time off whatever, but they still need to give 100% when it comes to the footy side of things. Especially on a big contract. It's not a 9-5, 5 day a week job where you grind it out over and over and have hard working periods with slack ones. You have just 80 mins a week to deliver and perform in footy and the rest is prep.

Mozza will go down as one of those talented players that just never was quite able to get it all together at the same time for extended periods of time. 2022 and perhaps some Panthers seasons the exception. On his day he was sublime.

I remember his first few months with us. Him (& Dugan) were hopelessly embarrassing. Couldn't even catch or pass a ball, over running/ under running plays ect.

Having your coach swapped out during pre-season probably played a part but I still think Mozza didn't earn his wage for half his intitial contract.
 
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Gards said:
A player could have x9 (321 votes) in a season but that might just mean that player had 3 stand out games in a season and the rest were trash but Bort made the effort to provide commentary and to expand upon the votes and provide the context which is necessary unless a player clean sweaps outright wins the 321 you know they had a good overall season. (or were best of a bad bunch)

I thought there were murmurs during Mozza's stadium seated face smirking injury seasons that he was taking the piss a bit with his rehab and wasn't a good trainer. But I might be getting confused with SJ who JMO called out as having bad attitude during rehab.
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I certainly don't expect he was the best rehabber by any stretch, some guys really go above and beyond.
I'm not sure how much people appreciate goes into rehabbing. For some injuries it can be an all day thing*
In the ideal world every NRL player does the absolute best rehab they can but most of these guys (especially those who have made it mostly on natural talent) just aren't capable of doing that. It's just not realistic to expect every player to rehab, train, live their off the clock life and play to 100% every moment - and some will do better at it than others. Some are only in the NRL because they are much better at these than others.

From outside it is hard to say he did less than the expected minimum though.

*Hasting's touches on it a bit in podcast of NRL physio

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I remember his first few months with us. Him (& Dugan) were hopelessly embarrassing. Couldn't even catch or pass a ball, over running/ under running plays ect.

Having your coach swapped out during pre-season probably played a part but I still think Mozza didn't earn his wage for half his intitial contract.
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Are you thinking 2019?

2018 I thought Moylan was good overall and warmed well into the FE jersey. Also coach swap was for 2019 too.
 
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