Official Jack Williams

[egg]

Yep. Exactly this. Watching Williams closely in the replay you could pick the exact moment he started struggling.

Running on ?

 

[BurgoShark]

Running on ?

Haha for the second half maybe.

I think he should drop 5-7kg and become an edge player again. I don’t think he be an NRL middle under these new rules.

 

[andrew's_sharks]

Haha for the second half maybe.

I think he should drop 5-7kg and become an edge player again. I don’t think he be an NRL middle under these new rules.

I actually think him playing NSW cup and giving him big minutes for a month would be good for him and his fitness.

 

[egg]

Haha for the second half maybe.

I think he should drop 5-7kg and become an edge player again. I don’t think he be an NRL middle under these new rules.

Yeah , I was only making a joke .
Was great reading minute by minute effort , so we could see the positives .
Cheers mate

 

[BurgoShark]

Yeah , I was only making a joke .
Was great reading minute by minute effort , so we could see the positives .
Cheers mate

You’re welcome mate. I’m glad someone else appreciates my Rugby League nerd-out sessions occasionally.

 

[egg]

You’re welcome mate. I’m glad someone else appreciates my Rugby League nerd-out sessions occasionally.

Seriously , I reckon if you did that for all 17 players at a club
The coaching staff could use that info as a referral , when assessing individual performances .
Would obviously take HEAPS of time , but quite useful I'd imagine rather just relying notes taken during a game and/or re-watching game tape

 

[Capital_Shark]

You’re welcome mate. I’m glad someone else appreciates my Rugby League nerd-out sessions occasionally.

Loved it too mate & the one on Billy. Would only let me rep 1.

 

[bort]

Loved it too mate & the one on Billy. Would only let me rep 1.

How dare you try and appreciate two posts by the same person!

.... I also was only able to rep one

 

[BurgoShark]

Seriously , I reckon if you did that for all 17 players at a club
The coaching staff could use that info as a referral , when assessing individual performances .
Would obviously take HEAPS of time , but quite useful I'd imagine rather just relying notes taken during a game and/or re-watching game tape

I'm assuming they have a team who does this already, using special software rather than just one bloke with two screens on his PC

I was thinking of doing Tolman, but if I do him I would have to do BHU and Woods too, since their minutes were similar.

 

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I'm assuming they have a team who does this already, using special software rather than just one bloke with two screens on his PC

I was thinking of doing Tolman, but if I do him I would have to do BHU and Woods too, since their minutes were similar.

Fair enough
But you did do well

 

[bort]

I'm assuming they have a team who does this already, using special software rather than just one bloke with two screens on his PC

I was thinking of doing Tolman, but if I do him I would have to do BHU and Woods too, since their minutes were similar.

They have a bloke with three screens!

How about Tracey?

 

[Tiger Shark]

I'm assuming they have a team who does this already, using special software rather than just one bloke with two screens on his PC

I was thinking of doing Tolman, but if I do him I would have to do BHU and Woods too, since their minutes were similar.

All stats in a game are time stamped to the footage so you can bring up Rudolf missed tackles and it would show a few second video of that tackle for example. Same goes if you're looking for offloads, hit ups, penalties etc.

Teams/Players can use it for their opponents and also for reviewing games. Pretty common for teams to create packages for players to review which is just videos they've selected. The Stats guys the clubs employ will look for patterns on teams, where they generally conceded missed tackles, tries, penalties. Helps form part of the game plan.

You can tell Bomber is big on Stats in how is so quick to quote them in the post match presser.

 

[Gumby]

Needs to go back to Newtown

 

[Gards]

Yep. Exactly this. Watching Williams closely in the replay you could pick the exact moment he started struggling.

the kicker is that we had a completely fresh player in Tracey sitting on the bench who was given a useless role with 10 mins to go. I get that Connor is probs just injury cover and that he isn't going to replicate the offensive and defensive punch of a genuine forward in at 13 or what not but we could have done a quick reshuffle with billy into the props. anyways even if we had a fresh forward on the bench I reckon JMO leaves Jacky boi out there even though we have seen for a while now endurance is not his strong point and he tires quickly (same thing for alot of muscle bound guys) and that this risk with him needs to be closely and carefully managed before it becomes a liability.

you can see fairly cleary when he looks to be struggling and is sucking in the big ones - you usually don't have to wait long. I think 20 mins is his sweet spot for now unless he can get his endurance levels up or drop some weight / muscle. in fairness Jack did get the half time break before resuming duties but that 15 odd minute stretch even after the break was still a bridge too far with the pressure we put ourselves under and the tackles he was racking up each set.

JMO's assitants and trainers really need to be helping out with this sort of thing, especially when they are on the field / sideline and be communicating back to the box - not saying it ain't happening but perhaps there is room for improvement on the process. if us pleb fans can see it every week then surely our FG coach should be all over this sorta thing managing fatigue. We essentially had a spare interchange left anyway as I barely count putting Tracey on at the end as something useful. The points we leaked in that period after half time could have cost us the game and it essentially came down to lazy defenders and some bad decisions under the high ball.

this is a bit of a frustration I have with JMO's bench in that he seems kinda stubborn and inflexible and will stick to his pre-allocated minutes and plans without reading the game and his players and he should know the signs from those players better than anyone - this is nothing out of the ordinary for coaches though but many times he has worked a forward 5 mins too long to the point of exhaustion and subs them off after all the poor defensive efforts and/or mistakes have already taken place

our bench rotation worked better with the 4 forwards and JMO seemed more comfortable and reliable operating with that setup

You can tell Bomber is big on Stats in how is so quick to quote them in the post match presser.

it's good he knows the stats but a coach can be guilty of quoting them as a smokescreen to make it look like he knows whats going on and has a handle on the situation - I think there was a bit of this from JMO early 2019 as he was finding his way and working through the issues but now he uses them more as a reference point opposed to a (relatively speaking) complete focus.

you look at a successful coach like Bennett who is much more of a big picture sorta coach opposed to down in the nitty gritty details and only has a vague idea of the stats for a game and is completely apathetic to these numbers and figures at times - he knows if his team was good or **** and what they need to fix without a guide book

 

[Wilson]

Just did this for Billy so thought I'd do it for Williams too...

- Comes on to the field with ~12 minutes left in the first half, and with Ramien still having around 1 minute left in the sin bin. Sharks kick it out and Ramien comes back on not long after
- Next few minutes the action stays away from him, until the Sharks get a repeat set and he finally gets a hit up from a drop out about 3 minutes later. Knees + elbows + quick ptb
- He gets a second hit up on the same set. Knees + elbows + quick ptb
- With 6 minutes to go he covers a grubber in goal and saves a try
- Next set he takes a hit up. Knees + elbows + quick ptb (are you noticing a pattern here?)
- Sharks get another repeat set
- He takes another hit up. Knees + elbows + quick ptb... but the ref calls him back for walking off the mark (fair call imo)
- and yet another hit up on the same set. Knees + elbows + quick ptb. Sharks get another repeat set
- next set... another run, another quick ptb. Nikora drops it a couple of tackles later
- last two sets, Dragons ruck it up, then kick, then the penalty and field goal shots. No runs or tackles for Williams

***

At the end of first half he has played 12 minutes, but wasn't involved at all in the first 2 or last 2. In the 8 minutes in between the Sharks had the ball almost the whole time and he ran the ball 6 times for good yards and great play the balls (including the one that was called back).

Defensively: 12 minutes for 0 tackles and 0 misses

***

- Second half the Dragons kick off. Williams takes run #2. Another strong run and a quick ptb.
- At the end of the set Townsend kicks and Williams in three tackles the next set. The tackle-less streak is over at 13 minutes
- Next set he isn't involved in attack
- Dragons next set he makes 2 tackles
- Next set he isn't involved in attack
- Makes 2 good tackles in a row on the Dragons next possession
- Next Sharks possession he takes a run and gets turtled. Slow ptb
- Next Dragons set he makes 4 tackles in a row. He's starting to walk in defence
- Next set he makes 2 tackles in row and then lets Vaughan go through him like a turnstile
- No involvement on the next Sharks set, but chases the kick and is involved in the tackle
- Next Dragons set he is walking again in defence. Dragons get a set restart. Williams has a bad miss on Hunt but Dufty knocks on soon after
- Next Sharks possession he takes a run and gets turtled. Slow ptb
- Sharks kick again and Williams is involved in the tackle
- Tackle 4 the Dragons play the ball in the middle, the A defender on the left (Brailey) moves up and left but Williams stands still. He doesn't move up and doesn't shift across to cover the space. Dufty goes straight in to the hole Williams should be standing in and makes the Sharks look silly.
- One tackle after the kick off Williams is replaced by Woods

***

So... as per pretty much every game he plays, Williams is an attacking weapon with one of the best ptb's in the comp... but when he has to do a big defensive workload he gets tired very quickly, gets targeted, and he struggles.

First 13 minutes: 6 runs, 0 tackles, -0misses
Next 9 minutes: 1 run , 13 tackles, 0 misses
Then in his final 5 minutes he has one run where he gets turtled, makes one tackle, has Vaughan go through him, has Hunt go through him, and waves at Dufty while standing still

Williams is the poster child for the new rules. Big guy + fatigue = points.

Sensational post. 10/10

 

[Gards]

really liking this guys hard and fast carries this season and the improved handling, he is busting into and through the line and he destroyed some ****s with his front on tackles

 

[bort]

really liking this guys hard and fast carries this season and the improved handling, he is busting into and through the line and he destroyed some ****s with his front on tackles

Growing into a good centre option

 

[Gards]

Growing into a good centre option

lol no, he has grown enough in the gym already

but as a relief middle or edge at a pinch I am happy with him atm. and its mostly on the back of those charging energetic carries and improved handling and discipline

 

[MMsharks]

l
its mostly on the back of those charging energetic carries and improved handling and discipline

this is pleasing, improved handling and discipline. keep it up Jack
he deserves a mention

lol the guys have had to cover different situations over the past two weeks

 

[Capital_Shark]

Gets hands & stamina he couldn't not be a handy footy player. Was always for persisting with Jack.