Official Dale Finucane

[Vichyssoise]

He's been a terrific player for many years. However, it's time to move aside for someone else.

Mostly for an other team unfortunately. Doesn't count in my book.
Can't fault the effort, but the result ain't pretty nowadays.

 

[SF]

They asked Fitzy at the press conference whether he agreed Dale would be a good fit for Origin. You could sense he was a bit surprised, though he gave the right answer…

 

[Western Sharkie]

They asked Fitzy at the press conference whether he agreed Dale would be a good fit for Origin. You could sense he was a bit surprised, though he gave the right answer…

I would prove that FFfffittler has NFI if he picked Dale for Origin 2 is what Fitzy should have said.
Dale hasn’t been playing to his best at all this season, so I can’t imagine he would even have been mentioned

 

[Shortfin Mako]

Dale hasn’t been playing to his best at all this season, so I can’t imagine he would even have been mentioned

but Freddy picks his teams based on reputation not form.

 

[Gumby]

As a qlder I hope he gets picked

 

[CHOGM]

The obvious thing to do here is drop Wade, who's playing bench 13 mostly, and play Finucane as bench 13.

 

[bort]

The obvious thing to do here is drop Wade, who's playing bench 13 mostly, and play Finucane as bench 13.

The McInnes Finucane Graham 3 man lock set-up is pretty gross.
Finucane not up to standard to move into prop rotation, and taking minutes off genuine props (which I thought he could do a legit impression of, but he isn't).
Having a lot of players who can play lock I'm onboard with, trying to shoehorn them all in when they can't really play anywhere else isn't working for us.

One of either Graham of Finucane is surplus to requirements in the 17, big Tommy back in. Or Colquhoun too if Hunt is out.

 

[Jaz]

How many minutes is he averaging at lock? If he's regularly playing 50 he should be able to knock out 15 either side of halftime at prop.

 

[Sparkles]

How many minutes is he averaging at lock? If he's regularly playing 50 he should be able to knock out 15 either side of halftime at prop.

Not sure if we can see Dale's effectiveness over the course of his game to know where his effectiveness drops off... I suspect it's 55-60 mins.
Did you have something like that in one of your graphs, @BurgoShark ?

 

[Jasonstevenswedgie]

Not sure if we can see Dale's effectiveness over the course of his game to know where his effectiveness drops off... I suspect it's 55-60 mins.
Did you have something like that in one of your graphs, @BurgoShark ?

when he runs over the sideline at the beginning of the game

 

[Vichyssoise]

when he runs over the sideline at the beginning of the game

Reminds me of the Ultimate Warrior who was (reportedly) always gassed simply running to the ring like a madman...

 

[ben]

Love his energy and captaincy, but better suited to a bench role, come on and lifts the energy of the team.

 

[apezza]

They asked Fitzy at the press conference whether he agreed Dale would be a good fit for Origin. You could sense he was a bit surprised, though he gave the right answer…

All this about Dale came from the podcast with Denan Kemp and Cam Smith.

Kemp thought he was a like for like replacement for Jake T. Even Kemp admitted his form this year hasn't been great.

Funny how to media take a side comment from a podcast it ask the losing coach a question about it.

 

[BurgoShark]

Not sure if we can see Dale's effectiveness over the course of his game to know where his effectiveness drops off... I suspect it's 55-60 mins.
Did you have something like that in one of your graphs, @BurgoShark ?

The main players I've looking in to this "drop off" for have been McInnes, Rudolf and Williams. For Finucane, there was never a drop off, but he also consistently played similar minutes in the same role. Those other three I looked at because their minutes can go up or down depending on the game situation, so it gives a better indication of output relative to the role they are playing.

The short answer though, is that for 2022 Dale's was consistently as good as McInnes and Rudolf for ~50 minutes every week, and he was equally effective at the end of the season as the start.

In terms of attacking output, based on the model let's compare Dale's game yesterday to some games from other forwards which people on the forum said were good performances. Remember for the purposes of the model a score of 200 means running 100m in 40 minutes @ 50% possession share. A prop who plays two 20 minute stints should get 200 if he is doing his job, but for a high-minute smaller middle a score of 150+ is really good.

Kaufusi v Broncos = 181
McInnes v Cowboys = 167
McInnes v Bulldogs = 150
McInnes v Manly = 198
Hunt v Knights = 232

Finucane's last 5 games since returning from suspension.

Storm 227
Broncos 145
Knights 148
Sea Eagles 100
Dolphins 86

For yesterday's game, here are all of the middle forwards by output, in order:

Finucane 227
Williams 176
Hamlin-Uele 164
Graham 152
Hunt 138
McInnes 100
Kaufusi 28

So, from an attacking output PoV it looks to me like Finucane took a while to get back up to speed after his suspension, then had two fairly good games followed by one very busy game. It also seems to me that against the Storm his work rate in attack was not the issue.

 

[Gards]

Yea he prob doesn't drop off intensity or peformance wise over his game time as much as other players - Dale is fit.

So he's just kinda consistently bleh over his stints. Whatever he had for us first half of last season isn't quite there anymore. Though he has made a burst through the line a couple times lately which is different from him and nice he doesn't seem that hard to tackle.

His discipline is disappointing at times for an experienced / leader type. Wade for instance has tidied his game up discipline wise although plays less aggressive (kinda like how Gal did at the back end of his career)

Don't know why we need to suggest Dale playing prop when his current role he is accustomed to and has been playing for years isn't even up to previous standards. Would think he is only going to struggle more at prop potentially especially as he is not that big a forward.

Are we that desperate? Hunt/Rudolf might be out but we just bring in the Nut which is something I wanted even when Hunt was fit as Dale/Wade ain't doing alot for me. If we are worried about minutes we can potentially give more to another player. BHU is playing well as is Williams (Hunt too but injured now). Wade could take on more too I reckon.

I heard something the other night (maybe during the game or afterwards) that the Sharks middle forwards have the shortest stints / total minutes of any team and it was suggested that Fitz has got it wrong in this regard. Not sure about that as a forward can only play effectively to his matching fitness and I get the theory of having lower minute impact bench forwards ect but Fitz bench use and timings certainty is questionable.

What is with all these wannabee selectors (and actual selectors lol) digging into the Sharks parts bin for Origin consideration after these players have been firmly out of the picture for many years haha.

However I would actually vouch for McInnes cept I worry his hands might let him down in that pressure cooker and extra fast pace of Origin.

 

[BurgoShark]

I heard something the other night (maybe during the game or afterwards) that the Sharks middle forwards have the shortest stints / total minutes of any team and it was suggested that Fitz has got it wrong in this regard. Not sure about that as a forward can only play effectively to his matching fitness and I get the theory of having lower minute impact bench forwards ect but Fitz bench use and timings certainty is questionable.

It was during the coverage. It’s not actually true.

Commentators just think they are clever looking at averages, but don’t realise that players getting injuries in-game or being eased back in from the bench after returning will affect that number. If you look at players’ average minutes in games where they didn’t get injured, sin binned or weren’t getting up to speed after time off, it looks very different.

The Sharks’ 4 highest-minute middles have all missed time injured/suspended. Those minutes typically get shared between two depth players rather than going to one guy. That makes it seem like the plan is to split time, but it isn’t. That rotation is just a necessary evil while the team has one or more of its best middles missing.

Also btw - Finucane IS playing prop for 25+ minutes in most games.

 

[Sparkles]

The main players I've looking in to this "drop off" for have been McInnes, Rudolf and Williams. For Finucane, there was never a drop off, but he also consistently played similar minutes in the same role. Those other three I looked at because their minutes can go up or down depending on the game situation, so it gives a better indication of output relative to the role they are playing.

The short answer though, is that for 2022 Dale's was consistently as good as McInnes and Rudolf for ~50 minutes every week, and he was equally effective at the end of the season as the start.

In terms of attacking output, based on the model let's compare Dale's game yesterday to some games from other forwards which people on the forum said were good performances. Remember for the purposes of the model a score of 200 means running 100m in 40 minutes @ 50% possession share. A prop who plays two 20 minute stints should get 200 if he is doing his job, but for a high-minute smaller middle a score of 150+ is really good.

Kaufusi v Broncos = 181
McInnes v Cowboys = 167
McInnes v Bulldogs = 150
McInnes v Manly = 198
Hunt v Knights = 232

Finucane's last 5 games since returning from suspension.

Storm 227
Broncos 145
Knights 148
Sea Eagles 100
Dolphins 86

For yesterday's game, here are all of the middle forwards by output, in order:

Finucane 227
Williams 176
Hamlin-Uele 164
Graham 152
Hunt 138
McInnes 100
Kaufusi 28

So, from an attacking output PoV it looks to me like Finucane took a while to get back up to speed after his suspension, then had two fairly good games followed by one very busy game. It also seems to me that against the Storm his work rate in attack was not the issue.

Cheers mate. Sounds like Dale runs just as hard no matter how buggered he might be. Did he keep that up on the defensive side?

 

[BurgoShark]

Cheers mate. Sounds like Dale runs just as hard no matter how buggered he might be. Did he keep that up on the defensive side?

I think so. That game everyone made less tackles than you would think, especially the middles.

11 tries, a penalty goal and 2 sin bins means there was a lot of list time and a less actual footy played than you would see in most games. Even Brailey only made 35.

 

[Sevshark]

The main players I've looking in to this "drop off" for have been McInnes, Rudolf and Williams. For Finucane, there was never a drop off, but he also consistently played similar minutes in the same role. Those other three I looked at because their minutes can go up or down depending on the game situation, so it gives a better indication of output relative to the role they are playing.

The short answer though, is that for 2022 Dale's was consistently as good as McInnes and Rudolf for ~50 minutes every week, and he was equally effective at the end of the season as the start.

In terms of attacking output, based on the model let's compare Dale's game yesterday to some games from other forwards which people on the forum said were good performances. Remember for the purposes of the model a score of 200 means running 100m in 40 minutes @ 50% possession share. A prop who plays two 20 minute stints should get 200 if he is doing his job, but for a high-minute smaller middle a score of 150+ is really good.

Kaufusi v Broncos = 181
McInnes v Cowboys = 167
McInnes v Bulldogs = 150
McInnes v Manly = 198
Hunt v Knights = 232

Finucane's last 5 games since returning from suspension.

Storm 227
Broncos 145
Knights 148
Sea Eagles 100
Dolphins 86

For yesterday's game, here are all of the middle forwards by output, in order:

Finucane 227
Williams 176
Hamlin-Uele 164
Graham 152
Hunt 138
McInnes 100
Kaufusi 28

So, from an attacking output PoV it looks to me like Finucane took a while to get back up to speed after his suspension, then had two fairly good games followed by one very busy game. It also seems to me that against the Storm his work rate in attack was not the issue.

Could you do the maths and graph out the best way to successfully ask Aiden Tolman out for dinner?


Asking for a friend.

 

[Gards]

Could you do the maths and graph out the best way to successfully ask Aiden Tolman out for dinner?


Asking for a friend.

I never said I was your friend