Official Connor Tracey

[bort]

Tackle stats don't really mean much, don't show poor reads.

Well I certainly ain't watching all the video to rank those players.

Are you implying Townsend made more tackles than almost every other player on that list, at the equal second highest percentage, but made an especially high number of reads so poor he didn't even get close enough for a missed tackle?

 

[HaroldBishop]

Well I certainly ain't watching all the video to rank those players.

Are you implying Townsend made more tackles than almost every other player on that list, at the equal second highest percentage, but made an especially high number of reads so poor he didn't even get close enough for a missed tackle?

Not at all, I actually think he's pretty good in defence.

Just saying tackle stats in general don't tell the whole story.

 

[bort]

Not at all, I actually think he's pretty good in defence.

Just saying tackle stats in general don't tell the whole story.

Not arguing with you here, just following on from your point about stats - definitely true that in the conversation of quality of defence they don't tell the whole story but they are a useful and easily accessible tool. Stats don't tell the whole story but it's seems reasonable to infer from those stats Chad is a better defender than Moses.

Someone can make whatever assumptions they'd like about terrible reads (or if they were mad, could watch back a full season of games for each player they want to assess). I would assume typically that players who make a lot of effective tackles are unlikely to make significantly more terrible reads than someone who makes far fewer effective tackles. The stats in no way show this, but in my experience better defenders tend to defend better.

We actually have more than just the stats in the instance of Chad as we watch a lot of Sharks games and Chad scored second in our player of the year voting and rarely, if ever, was his defence what we were complaining about when he did let us down.
So we also have that to support that he isn't making a significant volume of terrible reads.

 

[snowman]

tackle stats, attempts ect are misleading

just an example but in the 9s sailor ran around him and burnt him, doesnt register as a tackle attempt or a missed tackle

chad is an ok defender, better than maloney, better than carney - defensively isnt the issue

he stinks with the ball

 

[bort]

tackle stats, attempts ect are misleading

just an example but in the 9s sailor ran around him and burnt him, doesnt register as a tackle attempt or a missed tackle

But are you sure that the instance you describe wasn't recorded as a missed tackle against him? Or are you just assuming the stats are incorrect?

His stat line for that game is 5 made, 1 missed, 1 ineffective and without going back and watching the game I don't actually know that the missed tackle recorded wasn't the one you refer to.
You could very well be correct and his stats would be more accurate at 5-2-1 but he missed so bad it didn't get counted, but the official stats of 5-1-1 could be correct.

Some of the defense stats for that game are ****ing atrocious - Williams 1 made, 2 missed, 1 ineffective. Sorensen 1 made, 3 missed, 2 ineffective. Even Wade 2 made, 2 missed. Yuck, no wonder we lost.

 

[19ninety9]

I say if Morris has balls we should have:

SJ 7
Tracey 6
Chad 14

 

[Sparkles]

I say if Morris has balls we should have:

SJ 7
Tracey 6
Chad 14

I think teams are going for a bloke that can cover several positions these days. Though I like the idea of Chad adding 'gamebreaker' to his repertoire... God it'd be great to read the forum when Chad came on with 10 mins left and the scores locked at 16 all..!!

 

[bort]

I say if Morris has balls we should have:

SJ 7
Tracey 6
Chad 14

Tracey did go pretty well in PNG against most of a Bulldogs team... seems pretty clear he should start ahead of 165 game premiership winner.

Even though Chad is pretty unpopular maybe we should wait and see a little more from Tracey before we start him?
Morris has a much better idea than you (I assume) or I so I'm happy to see what he comes up with. Once we some more action from Tracey in a 14, or at least starting for Jets, we will at least have a bit more to base opinions on.

 

[19ninety9]

Tracey did go pretty well in PNG against most of a Bulldogs team... seems pretty clear he should start ahead of 165 game premiership winner.

Even though Chad is pretty unpopular maybe we should wait and see a little more from Tracey before we start him?
Morris has a much better idea than you (I assume) or I so I'm happy to see what he comes up with. Once we some more action from Tracey in a 14, or at least starting for Jets, we will at least have a bit more to base opinions on.

I hope he has a much much much much much better idea then me. Which is why he should know by now chad is an overrated hack.

 

[Jaz]

I do think Johnson would go better at first receiver. The more he gets his hands on the ball the less pressure he'll feel to create every play.

 

[slide rule]

I do think Johnson would go better at first receiver. The more he gets his hands on the ball the less pressure he'll feel to create every play.

Would he though?

 

[Jaz]

Would he though?

After last year it's gotta be worth a try! If our biggest criticism is he doesn't get involved enough, why not change our play to get him more involved?

 

[slide rule]

I don't know. He spent a lot of time injured last year. That would probably stop him getting involved. And they tend to play either side of the ruck a lot of the time anyway. And his decision making has never been the greatest to be calling the shots as a "7" either. I don't really like Chad's decision making a lot of the time either, but he's a bit less of a headless chook.

 

[Sparkles]

According to Chad's podcast, he and SJ run seperate sides of the field. To the extent that they even run opposed sessions against each other. So expect SJ to stick to his side of the field, play more structure and not be the floater of the past.

 

[Gards]

Tackle stats don't really mean much, don't show poor reads.

that's true,
or if he is second/third man in, how long he wrangles with them to get them to ground ect. Chad usually needs help. he has had some shocking misses in the past

he's not an attractive defender. not nice and clean like a Robson that would cut off their legs 1 on 1 on the line

anyway I didn't say Chad was the worst defensive halfback in the comp. look at it another way, who in our main starting 17 is a worse defender? Williams perhaps ? Sorenson? argument could be made but those 2 won't be playing hooker
SJ sure but he is staying in the halves 100%.

Chad is slow and his decision making is regressing and he is hogging it more, I don't see what he will bring to attack at 9 either. maybe the occasional grubber with mixed success

personally prefer to stick to our specialists. relise cam king injury throws the spanner in the works. ideally we replace him with similar

After last year it's gotta be worth a try! If our biggest criticism is he doesn't get involved enough, why not change our play to get him more involved?

he got involved. the problem was when he got the ball his legs didn't move, negating the biggest threat he should be bringing

he also didn't get involved - with those infamous 40 min stints where you swear he isn't on the field

According to Chad's podcast, he and SJ run seperate sides of the field. To the extent that they even run opposed sessions against each other. So expect SJ to stick to his side of the field, play more structure and not be the floater of the past.

he isn't suited to the structured Maloney type role IMO but if that how we gunna play it Shaun needs to find a way to make it work for us. ideally Shaun is popping up and slotting in both sides of the field. especially if we don't have Moylan around to fill that role

 

[bort]

According to Chad's podcast, he and SJ run seperate sides of the field. To the extent that they even run opposed sessions against each other. So expect SJ to stick to his side of the field, play more structure and not be the floater of the past.

You play left to Graham (via Chad), you play right to Johnson. Simple

 

[Tiger Shark]

According to Chad's podcast, he and SJ run seperate sides of the field. To the extent that they even run opposed sessions against each other. So expect SJ to stick to his side of the field, play more structure and not be the floater of the past.

I think we'll still seem him floating around. Coach is definitely off the eyes up mindset regarding attack structures so he's not going to keep one of our best attacking players stuck on one side of the field.

 

[Sparkles]

You play left to Graham (via Chad), you play right to Johnson. Simple

That's pretty much how they were describing what will happen.

If anyone's interested I think the episode is available on YouTube. It's the only one I've listened to, but I found their banter pretty interesting and entertaining.

 

[Sparkles]

he isn't suited to the structured Maloney type role IMO but if that how we gunna play it Shaun needs to find a way to make it work for us. ideally Shaun is popping up and slotting in both sides of the field. especially if we don't have Moylan around to fill that role

Might be the more practical way to play for an aging SJ... similar to how Benji's game has evolved from the dynamic little sprite he was to today's version.

 

[Sir Chadley]

What our halves (Chad in particular) have been guilty of in the past is that they don't really draw the defence. They just pass the ball out and the defence slides. Easy to defend against.

But if they draw a man and pass that's when gaps can appear.

We seem to be the least capable team of doing that.