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What our halves (Chad in particular) have been guilty of in the past is that they don't really draw the defence. They just pass the ball out and the defence slides. Easy to defend against.

But if they draw a man and pass that's when gaps can appear.

We seem to be the least capable team of doing that.

And further to this - no matter what we think of SJ - when he ' thinks run ' - he sucks in defenders without a doubt - and the ability to put Nikora into space is there as we have seen and the potential to do the same for Ramien is obvious ...
 

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What our halves (Chad in particular) have been guilty of in the past is that they don't really draw the defence. They just pass the ball out and the defence slides. Easy to defend against.

But if they draw a man and pass that's when gaps can appear.

We seem to be the least capable team of doing that.

Draw and pass OR straighten up - him and SJ both had some good games where they straightened up last year (and others where they didn't).

Best way to draw that extra defender is to have the pace to get outside your man, which attracts the next guy, or be enough of a physical threat that the next guy doesn't have confidence your man can stop you on his own.
If Chad is drifting you can hang off him because he isn't particularly athletic so he won't burn you and isn't enough of a physical threat you have to be concerned about being one-on-one with him, you don't have the be drawn in to him.

That way you can wait until his hand is forced while your defensive line adapts to what is unfolding. When drifting he needs to play right up to the line to commit his defender and pass which then means a) he has less space to make his next move (which he needs, not being a premier half) and b) we have played away from our main strength on the left, early ball to Graham.

But if Chad straightens his line then the defense does need to react and slow their slide, he can then hit Graham who can take advantage of that slower slide by the defense to make his decision. He has a better toolbox of skills and is a much more significant physical threat himself.

SJ has more athleticism so he can skip to the outside of his defender to draw the next one OR can straighten knowing the defense must adapt.

Honestly if all Chad does all game on backline plays is straighten up to slow the defensive slide and early ball to Graham he's doing that part of his job. Johnson on the other hand we are paying much more and thus expectations are much higher that he will personally make more of an impact.
 

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Agree on Chad straightening. He has shown he can break the line, at least enough to get the ball away to a support player, it's just that he doesn't have as much of that innate ability to choose when to run and when to pass as the elite halves.

SJ's strength was hitting Nikora when he was running those great lines. SJ doesn't seem to be the running threat he once was... again, like Benji. Maybe this is the year he figures out how to become the 2020 version of SJ. And it'll only help that he has the extra threat in Raimen on the outside. Should open up more space for Nikora and mean he's not hitting him every other play.
 

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Agree on Chad straightening. He has shown he can break the line, at least enough to get the ball away to a support player, it's just that he doesn't have as much of that innate ability to choose when to run and when to pass as the elite halves.

Just my take but I think half the time players like Shaun and Benji run it isn't even because running is specifically a good option. They just don't like their other reads, or a player doesn't do what they were expecting. So they run.

Yes they also make good reads on when a run is the best call for what is unfolding but I think the fall back on running is especially obvious when you see someone bouncing around, spinning in circles, swapping direction a few times - run clearly wasn't a good option - but often a freak on his feet like SJ would end up catching a defender out and could take off, or pull in enough defenders an opportunity opens up elsewhere.

Benji was the same but now realises he has to think more about what his options are, and read the defence better, because just falling back to running now is much less likely to work out for him.
 

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What our halves (Chad in particular) have been guilty of in the past is that they don't really draw the defence. They just pass the ball out and the defence slides. Easy to defend against.

But if they draw a man and pass that's when gaps can appear.

We seem to be the least capable team of doing that.

That was, IMO, our problem in the 9s. We run good shape with nice ball movement but didn't commit the defender.
 

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We can complain about Chad all we like, but this year he is crucial. He is one of the most experienced on the field, and a great club man off it. Anyway we have the advantage of having 4 playmakers in the team when Moylan is fit, so we don’t rely on Chad like other teams rely on their 7. Tracey is not even close to Chad at this point. One great trial game does not a fg halfback make.
 

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And out of 28 6’s and 7’s in the comp last year, Chad was 7th in Dally M voting. Not the best, a long way from the worst.
 

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And out of 28 6’s and 7’s in the comp last year, Chad was 7th in Dally M voting. Not the best, a long way from the worst.

32? Or have you decided not to count some of them?

But your point is especially relevant considering there are 8 on reportedly more than a million plus per year.
And a lot of others on more than Chad would be too.
 

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I think what we’re all saying is.. by now by this year most definitely it’s time for him to step up and take charge and show exactly why he has been re-signed for so long. Needs to show improvements in his game not just show the same sht year to year especially after being in the NRL for so long.
 

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I think what we’re all saying is.. by now by this year most definitely it’s time for him to step up and take charge and show exactly why he has been re-signed for so long. Needs to show improvements in his game not just show the same sht year to year especially after being in the NRL for so long.

What he has delivered in the past, for his role in the team, has been enough to get us a lot of finals and a premiership. If that is the cap he can deliver though he can expect to be jumped in the roster sooner than later.
If he can improve to keep the wolves at bay even better.
 

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I think what we’re all saying is.. by now by this year most definitely it’s time for him to step up and take charge and show exactly why he has been re-signed for so long. Needs to show improvements in his game not just show the same sht year to year especially after being in the NRL for so long.

Nope. That's not it.
 

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I think what we’re all saying is.. by now by this year most definitely it’s time for him to step up and take charge and show exactly why he has been re-signed for so long. Needs to show improvements in his game not just show the same sht year to year especially after being in the NRL for so long.

Nope. That's not it.

Just wait for the "I can't believe we kept Chad over Flanju" salt to start
 

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Just wait for the "I can't believe we kept Chad over Flanju" salt to start

I have a truckload of that particular brand of salt, tastes like **** but stops the road icing up if you need some.
 

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I have a truckload of that particular brand of salt, tastes like **** but stops the road icing up if you need some.

No that's fine, I don't need that salt as I am able to distinguish that at no point did we make that choice.
Rather, thanks to circumstance and Shane, a situation arose where we were forced to release Flanju. And then, completely separately & months later, we extended Chad.

I don't mind if people want to wish it hadn't happened or whatever but you can blame Shane signing Johnson for it (not the only factor, but a big one), not Chad or the club.
 

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32? Or have you decided not to count some of them?

But your point is especially relevant considering there are 8 on reportedly more than a million plus per year.
And a lot of others on more than Chad would be too.
32! Of course. I’m such a one eyed sharks fan I don’t even know how many other teams there are. They’re all the enemy regardless.
 

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I hope he has a much much much much much better idea then me. Which is why he should know by now chad is an overrated hack.
your opinion doesn't have much credibility if you keep backing Dugan. He is a liability and the Dragqueens pissed themselves laughing when we took him off their hands.
 
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