Official Cameron McInnes

[HaroldBishop]

Do we have to do it together for it to work?

OK this conversation has ended haha.

 

[bort]

OK this conversation has ended haha.

They were still going, you finished prematurely

 

[Deleted member 2543]

Don’t think you are having a go, just feel like your response was not accurate. You claimed things like the tackle counts I listed were completely incorrect but they were actually correct.

You stated that when I said McInnes was good at hooker, that he was crap at hooker and only became popular when moved to lock. Yet he was their player of the year at hooker.

Anyway as I said I am 100% easy and really am on holidays with better things to do then debate something which we both agree won’t indicate whether McInnes would be successful at hooker for the sharks.

However, I do think that he has shown he is worth consideration given being player of the year (albeit at stains) at hooker.

Also I have never mentioned cutting Braileys minutes. I did mention I wonder if there is any point where we might see McInnes at hooker.

Anyway onwards and upwards….

All good mate. Misinterpretation. You said "last 3 years of hooker at Dragons" which for me didn't include 2020. Like you said though, who makes more tackles or runs an extra 15 metres per game tells us nothing either way.

If the Sharks had a need for a hooker, McInnes would be a fine option.

 

[Blix]

Yeah all good!

I rate him as a player and like what he brings to the team!

 

[Wiz]

Yeah all good!

I rate him as a player and like what he brings to the team!

Don’t know how burg turned the argument into whether McInnes is a better 9 than Brailey, your point is pretty simple - he can do it and has done it especially if it’s just for 20 mins..

It would be good to use McInnes for the first 20 weather the storm etc

We know what Brailey is like over 80 it would be nice to see what he’s like with fresher legs, considering he’s smaller as well as him having more energy it isn’t a miracle to suggest he might go better - it’s a formula the top teams know

You can replace McInnes 20 in the forwards with Jack Williams

I may be wrong but it gives McInnes a bigger break because from 20mins in up until after half time he would be resting

I just don’t think Fitz is a risk taker I get the feel he is more a stubborn type

 

[Milkshark]

Don’t know how burg turned the argument into whether McInnes is a better 9 than Brailey, your point is pretty simple - he can do it and has done it especially if it’s just for 20 mins..

It would be good to use McInnes for the first 20 weather the storm etc

We know what Brailey is like over 80 it would be nice to see what he’s like with fresher legs, considering he’s smaller as well as him having more energy it isn’t a miracle to suggest he might go better - it’s a formula the top teams know

You can replace McInnes 20 in the forwards with Jack Williams

I may be wrong but it gives McInnes a bigger break because from 20mins in up until after half time he would be resting

I just don’t think Fitz is a risk taker I get the feel he is more a stubborn type

I like that idea. Bring Brailey on after 20 and see if his running game improves.

McInnes is solid, but could easily be replaced in the forwards.

 

[Thresher]

I think that McInnes is already doing the type of runs close to the ruck that people are complaining that Bailey is not doing.

It's just as first receiver rather than dummy half.

 

[Sparkles]

I think that McInnes is already doing the type of runs close to the ruck that people are complaining that Bailey is not doing.

It's just as first receiver rather than dummy half.

It's a super common tactic. Try to catch the markers off balance through a quick play the ball, then send another big unit right into that space next to them so they have to scramble in cover. Repeat until they're buggered.

 

[Thresher]

It's a super common tactic. Try to catch the markers off balance through a quick play the ball, then send another big unit right into that space next to them so they have to scramble in cover. Repeat until they're buggered.

Of course it is. I'm just saying that McInnes's version could be seen to be similar to a hooker's dart from dummy half.

He's not that big and goes for quick metres and a quick play the ball and it's quite often close to where the dummy half would be running from anyway.

 

[Deleted member 2543]

I think that McInnes is already doing the type of runs close to the ruck that people are complaining that Bailey is not doing.

It's just as first receiver rather than dummy half.

It's a super common tactic. Try to catch the markers off balance through a quick play the ball, then send another big unit right into that space next to them so they have to scramble in cover. Repeat until they're buggered.

Of course it is. I'm just saying that McInnes's version could be seen to be similar to a hooker's dart from dummy half.

He's not that big and goes for quick metres and a quick play the ball and it's quite often close to where the dummy half would be running from anyway.

This is also something the hooker trains for. It's not just to tire out the markers. It is to try to make them do a 1-on-1 tackle. That means a quicker ptb, metre metres on the next ruck and/or a retreating defensive line for an edge to attack.

One of the ways that teams know if their hooker is doing a good job is how many times he can create one-on-one tackle situations. 100% Brailey trains for this, and the quicker foot-speed middles would too. Williams and McInnes are the best at it.

 

[Thresher]

This is also something the hooker trains for. It's not just to tire out the markers. It is to try to make them do a 1-on-1 tackle. That means a quicker ptb, metre metres on the next ruck and/or a retreating defensive line for an edge to attack.

One of the ways that teams know if their hooker is doing a good job is how many times he can create one-on-one tackle situations. 100% Brailey trains for this, and the quicker foot-speed middles would too. Williams and McInnes are the best at it.

I remember Aaron Raper being so good at it that he was being accused of taking voluntary tackles to get a fast play the ball.

 

[sharks2010]

I remember Aaron Raper being so good at it that he was being accused of taking voluntary tackles to get a fast play the ball.

Back when that was actually penalised

 

[uglydingo]

Anyone else notice that McInnes seemed visibly delighted as part of the Sharks team to comprehensively smash the St George Dragons 40 - 8? Any former loyalty to the red V has completely dissipated.

 

[Sparkles]

This is also something the hooker trains for. It's not just to tire out the markers. It is to try to make them do a 1-on-1 tackle. That means a quicker ptb, metre metres on the next ruck and/or a retreating defensive line for an edge to attack.

One of the ways that teams know if their hooker is doing a good job is how many times he can create one-on-one tackle situations. 100% Brailey trains for this, and the quicker foot-speed middles would too. Williams and McInnes are the best at it.

It'd probably explain why he doesn't run so often. Blayke is playing 6 tackle chess, thinking about the hit ups after the currrent one and how to position his forwards for those runs to maximise play the ball speed, one-on-ones and which opportunities to take from the calls coming from Matty and Nicho.

I hadn't really thought about it like that before, but when you do you you have to appreciate what he's doing for the team. He doesn't usually get those things wrong. It has to be a big reason why our attack is so slick.

 

[Thresher]

Back when that was actually penalised

Now the ref calls out "Surrender!", and allows the tacklers to hold them down for ages.

 

[Sparkles]

Now the ref calls out "Surrender!", and allows the tacklers to hold them down for ages.

Surrender has to be the referee's biggest cop-out call ever devised

 

[Thresher]

Surrender has to be the referee's biggest cop-out call ever devised

Yeah they seem to use it a lot more than what it was devised for

 

[Deleted member 2543]

It'd probably explain why he doesn't run so often. Blayke is playing 6 tackle chess, thinking about the hit ups after the currrent one and how to position his forwards for those runs to maximise play the ball speed, one-on-ones and which opportunities to take from the calls coming from Matty and Nicho.

I hadn't really thought about it like that before, but when you do you you have to appreciate what he's doing for the team. He doesn't usually get those things wrong. It has to be a big reason why our attack is so slick.

Yup.

Even for young players it is something they learn. Rather than just "scoot and make 10m", it is better to scoot and run directly at the A defender. He is going to either commit or hold. If he commits, you draw and pass to try put your runner in a hole. If he holds, you either take the space behind the ruck, or find a runner running directly at A, and he looks for a quick play the ball.

If you watched footy in the 90's and saw Steve Walters the play was "no markers / one marker = scoot and take the metres". It's different now. A quick ptb is more important that 10m. Teams will give up 8-10m scoots from hookers all day if it means they can get 3 players in and win the tackle.

I'll find a good example of my hooker doing it and I'll DM it to you.

 

[stormshark]

I like the old Toothy, Courage by the Bucket bloodspits, but i think his Hooker days are gone. I want my Lock to be the Biggest Body i can get on the grnd ( Ideally bigger than Dale) . Mickennis stays bench back up, utility for mine, i'm just not sure who he's backing up!

 

[Deleted member 2543]

I like the old Toothy, Courage by the Bucket bloodspits, but i think his Hooker days are gone. I want my Lock to be the Biggest Body i can get on the grnd ( Ideally bigger than Dale) . Mickennis stays bench back up, utility for mine, i'm just not sure who he's backing up!

I’ve found the answer.