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And then we have to change the team around, again

We need players playing the same position every week. No more switching around

Moylan id prob have off the bench

That is probably the go. Although I have liked our bench with 4 forwards. But that might not be necessary anymore. The forwards seem to be handling things a bit better now.

Would probably be of benefit to Moylan to ease back in as well. Maybe we can stretch his 60 minutes of football across three games.
 

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That is probably the go. Although I have liked our bench with 4 forwards. But that might not be necessary anymore. The forwards seem to be handling things a bit better now.

Would probably be of benefit to Moylan to ease back in as well. Maybe we can stretch his 60 minutes of football across three games.
We seem to be carrying Tracey on the bench now so Moylan can take that spot.

Or just leave Moylan out completely, we have come this far without him already
 
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Bit of a clunky debut but hasn't played in a few months. Will only get better next week. Shame that cut out pass to Ronnie didn't lead to a try, it was beautiful.
 

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I’ve seen enough to stick with this kid. And he seems to suit the way awe play now, heads up footy. He’s Chads replacement in my opinion. Can’t let him leave.
 

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Confident player, a few bagged out his impromptu chip over the top early game saying it was lucky and that Chad would have been vilified for that but the thing was it did work out and Chad's rarely do. Really ballsy play in his first game and early set but shows his talent and intentions.

His passing is sublime
His running game has heaps of promise and will develop

Yea sure his involvement was down as expected but debut game next to Shaun Johnson who is one of the best halves in the comp right now - not holding that against Braydon

calling attention to his PTB speed like it's some big failing in his game that Chad has over him - FMD clutching at straws a bit there people

Won't lie, he didn't make me miss Chad
 

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I’ve seen enough to stick with this kid. And he seems to suit the way awe play now, heads up footy. He’s Chads replacement in my opinion. Can’t let him leave.

Yea bomber dobbed himself in at the press conference saying quick heads up attacking footy is the new style required in the NRL now yet his starting halfback is a handbrake. I can understand him sticking with experience for the time being but at some point he needs to be called out on persisting selecting Chad if he doesn't find a golden run of form
 

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Yea bomber dobbed himself in at the press conference saying quick heads up attacking footy is the new style required in the NRL now yet his starting halfback is a handbrake. I can understand him sticking with experience for the time being but at some point he needs to be called out on persisting selecting Chad if he doesn't find a golden run of form

Out of curiosity, from an attacking perspective, what does a golden run of form in attack look like?

He's had 9 try assists in his last 6 games. Shaun had 10 in those same 6 games. Our fullback (Primarily Moylan and Kennedy) has had 5 in those same 6 weeks and another this week (SJ didn't have one and Chad didn't play).
Blayke has also had 3 in last 7 weeks.

If I look at our team things I find the biggest issue with are not any lack of attack from Chad, or the spine as a unit.

All these guys have also made errors at times over the season, amongst the worst is probably Chads few way too deep grubbers at the line, that's definitely something I'd like to see him fix up.
He certainly hasn't been our best player over that period but I can't really accuse him of, overall, causing our attack much of a problem.
 

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Out of curiosity, from an attacking perspective, what does a golden run of form in attack look like?

He's had 9 try assists in his last 6 games. Shaun had 10 in those same 6 games. Our fullback (Primarily Moylan and Kennedy) has had 5 in those same 6 weeks and another this week (SJ didn't have one and Chad didn't play).
Blayke has also had 3 in last 7 weeks.

If I look at our team things I find the biggest issue with are not any lack of attack from Chad, or the spine as a unit.

All these guys have also made errors at times over the season, amongst the worst is probably Chads few way too deep grubbers at the line, that's definitely something I'd like to see him fix up.
He certainly hasn't been our best player over that period but I can't really accuse him of, overall, causing our attack much of a problem.

chad has been better than the start of the season there is no doubt

he is attacking smarter and taking a back seat to sj which is good

there new rules and tempo though, he is far too slow

he cant move laterally anymore, and he just isnt quick

thats his down fall now, the speed of the game, which makes him look a step off the pace

there were parts of the game where i missed chad against brisbane, mainly because they were targetting sj, but also because trindall didnt run much either

my fear for chad though, as good as he can play, there is always a penrith performance around the corner
 

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chad has been better than the start of the season there is no doubt

he is attacking smarter and taking a back seat to sj which is good

there new rules and tempo though, he is far too slow

he cant move laterally anymore, and he just isnt quick

thats his down fall now, the speed of the game, which makes him look a step off the pace

there were parts of the game where i missed chad against brisbane, mainly because they were targetting sj, but also because trindall didnt run much either

my fear for chad though, as good as he can play, there is always a penrith performance around the corner

Sure, based off what we saw from Trindall it confirmed my expectation he should be able to jump Chad sooner rather than later and Chad's two PO years (if that is what they are) still seem awful.
I just don't know how much more can seriously be asked of him in attack currently. A golden run of form above 9 TAs in 6 games is what, 12? 15? If he could do that and the rest of the spine/teams output doesn't drop that would be insane. Takes the average TAs of the spine in a game to about 5 and we are scoring an extra couple tries most games when we already have one of, if not the, best attacks.
(yes I know it wasn't you who said it)

He's more of a liability due to trash games when the team is struggling than lacking ability to contribute to our attack, that and his kicks from our half are never deep enough (his approx 30m pinning kicks are usually okay).
The Penrith game he was very bad and certainly wears a decent share of the blame although that edge was kind of the perfect storm of ****ed - Nene wasn't ready, Goodwin can't play centre at all, Graham was struggling and Chad decided to shoot out at nobody to compensate instead of trying to hold that cluster**** together.
 

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Drawing conclusions from Trindall's one game is fantastic speculation.

His kick early in the game and on tackle three looked like the exact same play I've seen from Chad/SJ over the past month. The tactic didn't change because Trindall played. It's been executed better (which is why Chad has try assists these days) but you'd think Trindall could improve with more games under his belt.

Based on current averages, we lost Chad's 2 TA's. They would have been pretty handy. SJ racked up 0 TA's, down 2-4 because of the extra attention. That's 4-6 TA's from the halves we didn't get, for those playing along at home. In fact, Trindall didn't rack up a single attacking stat. We were lucky Wade and Kennedy (and Tracey) stepped up, otherwise we were shot.

Trindall ran half the metres Chad does on average.

Trindall missed 4 tackles and made 18. That's close enough to Chad's average (ignoring the Pathers game, where everyone was hopeless).

As I said, you'd have to be harsh to say Trindall should be contributing at Chad's level after one game. And one game this year. And there's just as little out of that game to say he's on a path to be better than Chad. He'd have get pretty good pretty fast to be an integral part of creating a dozen TA's a game! But it's a statistical fact we (and SJ) missed that contribution. Not as much as if we hadn't played Brisbane, but we missed it.

If, as seems to be popular, it takes Trindall four games to fit in and get up to that speed consistently, we've putting at risk more games and, as a result, our chances of a finals berth. I just can't see the justification, unless you like hate Chad more than halves creating tries.
 

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Basically the gist of why I can't get behind an unforced drop of Chad.

It would be insane, and even after Trindall playing that one game, to expect the coach to think risking games now was in his or the teams (or the fans) best interest just so Trindall can get first grade experience, or because Chad isn't very popular and isn't one of the best halves in the NRL.

Every game Chad would be even 1% better than Trindall and we are in finals contention Chad should play.
 
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Not being a smart arse but how many 40/20’s has Chad kicked whilst playing FG?

I can’t recall one, makes you wonder why he kicks as much as he does when we are doing our down town 5th tackle kicks, I realize if Chad was someone who can find open space regularly but I can’t really say he does that better than most, just the norm really.
 

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Not being a smart arse but how many 40/20’s has Chad kicked whilst playing FG?

I can’t recall one, makes you wonder why he kicks as much as he does when we are doing our down town 5th tackle kicks, I realize if Chad was someone who can find open space regularly but I can’t really say he does that better than most, just the norm really.

**** all
There has been 12 kicked all year and three of those are by Cleary (Brailey deserves one, player touched line trying to stop it going over)
Last season 25 players kicked at least one, including Chad. DCE had 5
2018 only 15 players got one but one was Shaun (with 1)
2017 and 2016 neither kicked one
It's Trindalls thread so he can have a mention, he kicked one last year in NSW Cup, Brailey kicked 2.

So while I definitely think Johnson should take majority of our kicks (especially if more than 40m out) I don't really see Chad not kicking many 40/20s as having too much to do with our results.
 

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Basically the gist of why I can't get behind an unforced drop of Chad.

It would be insane, and even after Trindall playing that one game, to expect the coach to think risking games now was in his or the teams (or the fans) best interest just so Trindall can get first grade experience, or because Chad isn't very popular and isn't one of the best halves in the NRL.

Every game Chad would be even 1% better than Trindall and we are in finals contention Chad should play.

the only way chad cant come back into the team is if sj and moylan beat parra and penrith asa combo, then there will be no need for him at all
 
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