Official Andrew Fifita

[Gards]

if he's had knee trouble for a while now i'm not surprised that things around it arn't working quite as they should. the body always tends to over compensate for injury in other areas

what happened to that Hammy expert we had around here on the forum last season or whenever?

 

[HaroldBishop]

if he's had knee trouble for a while now i'm not surprised that things around it arn't working quite as they should. the body always tends to over compensate for injury in other areas

what happened to that Hammy expert we had around here on the forum last season or whenever?

Oh yeah the hammy whisperer, was it cesare69 or something like that?

 

[snowman]

I reckon if Prior is fit to play, and with the form Uele is in, he might miss the Manly game.

manly wreck our pack if he doesnt play

 

[andrew's_sharks]

Hope fifita is ok. We clearly have some problems with our strength and conditioning this year. The number of Hamstring strains is insane. Most likely an imbalance in strength between the quadriceps and Hamstrings. Would also have a a look at the Sacroilian Joint, lower back and Hamstring flexibility of the whole squad.

I did a workplacement with a former Essendon Football club head trainer years ago and he was telling me how he got it wrong one year and they had 6 hammy tears in one year.

 

[bort]

Definitely seems like something is amiss.
Have we had any staff turnover in the strength and conditioning department?

Hopefully any issue has already been recognised and we are just seeing the tail end of the effects.

 

[andrew's_sharks]

Definitely seems like something is amiss.
Have we had any staff turnover in the strength and conditioning department?

Hopefully any issue has already been recognised and we are just seeing the tail end of the effects.

Pretty sure Gray is still the man. I want to be clear in saying this, the guy at Essendon was one of the best in the AFL and still holds a prominent role at another club (head of sports med , unless he has moved on). It was just a year that didn't go to plan for him and the same can happen to somebody else including our own staff.

 

[bort]

Pretty sure Gray is still the man. I want to be clear in saying this, the guy at Essendon was one of the best in the AFL and still holds a prominent role at another club (head of sports med , unless he has moved on). It was just a year that didn't go to plan for him and the same can happen to somebody else including our own staff.

For sure.

Just thinking if we have the same staff should be easier for them to isolate what may have changed. Whether it is something they are doing or Bomber is doing.

 

[andrew's_sharks]

For sure.

Just thinking if we have the same staff should be easier for them to isolate what may have changed. Whether it is something they are doing or Bomber is doing.

It wont be what Bomber is doing, It is the strength and conditioning teams role to make sure they are physically up to the task. Coaching works on attack, defense video etc.

 

[egg]

manly wreck our pack if he doesnt play

Wristslitter . JOKING

 

[bort]

It wont be what Bomber is doing, It is the strength and conditioning teams role to make sure they are physically up to the task. Coaching works on attack, defense video etc.

Is there meant to be a comma between defense and video? Or are you suggesting head coach is only doing video work?

Yes it's more likely to be strength and conditioning but I wouldn't say it can't be something that's happening in general training. Pushing them harder in that area while strength and conditioning work remains equal could be a factor. Moving them too quickly between drills... or not quickly enough... running through more drills and less stretching pre-game.

Regardless of whose area it falls under, based purely on a handful of photo albums I've seen, there does seem to be a lot of jumping at training this year.

 

[Thresher]

Is there meant to be a comma between defense and video? Or are you suggesting head coach is only doing video work?

Yes it's more likely to be strength and conditioning but I wouldn't say it can't be something that's happening in general training. Pushing them harder in that area while strength and conditioning work remains equal could be a factor. Moving them too quickly between drills... or not quickly enough... running through more drills and less stretching pre-game.

Regardless of whose area it falls under, based purely on a handful of photo albums I've seen, there does seem to be a lot of jumping at training this year.

fire ants

 

[andrew's_sharks]

Is there meant to be a comma between defense and video? Or are you suggesting head coach is only doing video work?

Yes it's more likely to be strength and conditioning but I wouldn't say it can't be something that's happening in general training. Pushing them harder in that area while strength and conditioning work remains equal could be a factor. Moving them too quickly between drills... or not quickly enough... running through more drills and less stretching pre-game.

Regardless of whose area it falls under, based purely on a handful of photo albums I've seen, there does seem to be a lot of jumping at training this year.

there is supposed to be a comma, but i mean game play and strategy is coaching and physical condition is the strength and conditioning team.

They are hurting themselves in games not at training. Static stretching is mostly not part of modern day warm ups (it reduces force production). Speed work can cause HS strains, but it would happen during the training session and not in the game. There body isn't right and dealing with the demands, which is the problem, which c an be over training, under training or functional imbalances due to training.

A lot of jumping isn't an issue.

 

[bort]

They are hurting themselves in games not at training. Static stretching is mostly not part of modern day warm ups (it reduces force production). Speed work can cause HS strains, but it would happen during the training session and not in the game. There body isn't right and dealing with the demands, which is the problem, which c an be over training, under training or functional imbalances due to training.

I agree with all of this although I expect dynamic stretching is still pretty relevant (I never said static) as well as warm-up activities with stretching elements.
Overtraining or functional imbalances seem most likely to me. Undertraining, unless somehow hamstring specific (which then is an imbalance) would probably show more general fatigue in game right? This could then lead to the injury - but most have been early game so unlikely, I think.

A lot of jumping isn't an issue.

Can you tell me why a dynamic action like jumping, which doesn't really translate very specifically to playing, couldn't be a factor in functional imbalance or overtraining of specific muscles?
The jumping in a few recent training albums was just something I noticed and now, looking at all the hamstring injuries, I thought it seemed within the realm of possibility that if significantly more jumping was taking part at training that explosive action could be leading to an imbalance that is not translating well to play. It was just a random idea but I'd be interested to hear why you would comprehensively rule it out.

 

[Proud Shark]

manly wreck our pack if he doesnt play

Only if AFB is fit, otherwise we could cope.

 

[andrew's_sharks]

I agree with all of this although I expect dynamic stretching is still pretty relevant (I never said static) as well as warm-up activities with stretching elements.
Overtraining or functional imbalances seem most likely to me. Undertraining, unless somehow hamstring specific (which then is an imbalance) would probably show more general fatigue in game right? This could then lead to the injury - but most have been early game so unlikely, I think.


Can you tell me why a dynamic action like jumping, which doesn't really translate very specifically to playing, couldn't be a factor in functional imbalance or overtraining of specific muscles?
The jumping in a few recent training albums was just something I noticed and now, looking at all the hamstring injuries, I thought it seemed within the realm of possibility that if significantly more jumping was taking part at training that explosive action could be leading to an imbalance that is not translating well to play. It was just a random idea but I'd be interested to hear why you would comprehensively rule it out.

Overload is essentially the cause of a Hamstring strain (tear). Essentially the strength of the muscle is not great enough for the activity performed (muscles work in force couples with the strength relationship of the Quadriceps being important for the Hamstrings. The other main are of concern is hamstring length, so if you think of kicking a ball if you pull something beyond its capable range, it will tear. Their is a strong link between Hamstring Length and lower back mobility, which is why someone who has a tight back will also often have tight Hamstrings.

Now if you think about jumping as an activity, it is true you can tear a Hamstring muscle while jumping, but if it was the actual jumping, they would be tearing it at training, doing the jumping. From memory most of our problems have been running during a game, which is why it will be a strength relationship issue and/or a flexibility mobility problem.

I hope that helps.

 

[vicsharkfan]

The year Essendon had all the hammy issues (yes was the bombers) was the year they were on the juice thanks to James hird , let’s just call it our dumb bad luck.

 

[andrew's_sharks]

The year Essendon had all the hammy issues (yes was the bombers) was the year they were on the juice thanks to James hird , let’s just call it our dumb bad luck.

That isn't the year I was referring too. Hird was still a player at the time

 

[pablo's dad]

That isn't the year I was referring too. Hird was still a player at the time

Oh that's a while back then. Here I was jumping to conclusions as well.

Thanks for the insight anyway.

 

[vicsharkfan]

That isn't the year I was referring too. Hird was still a player at the time

Agghh

 

[bort]

Didn’t really play up to his milestone