A-League expansion and the Sharks

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Getting involved in running or part owning the thing would be taking on a significant risk. Soccer franchises in this country seem to fall over with regularity.
I think being involved and having a football club playing out of Remondis is an absolute must if possible. The level of involvement is the question. Being brutal, the club has proven time and again they couldn't run a chook raffle though and combined with the volatility of the soccer market I'm inclined to think any direct financial involvement should be very limited.

In short, play out of the same ground and seek to keep the fan bases merged without putting our head on the chopping block.
 

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Stake in to an Aussie soccer side? No thanks. I wouldn't stake into a RL team and NRL has a billion plus $ TV deal to sure them up.

More than happy for us to play landlord, but thats about it.

We been in the RL business almost 50 years and not done too well at that. Lets finish chewing this mouthful before taking another bite.

To finally snare a bloke like Gorman only to have his focus not 100% on the Cronulla Sharks would be all sorts of stupid.
 

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Stake in to an Aussie soccer side? No thanks. I wouldn't stake into a RL team and NRL has a billion plus $ TV deal to sure them up.

More than happy for us to play landlord, but thats about it.

We been in the RL business almost 50 years and not done too well at that. Lets finish chewing this mouthful before taking another bite.

To finally snare a bloke like Gorman only to have his focus not 100% on the Cronulla Sharks would be all sorts of stupid.

Yep. Exactly how I feel about it.
 

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I think some of you guys are missing the point about the benefits having a soccer team as part of the sharks could do. Increased revenue for the stadium. Membership deals incorporating soccer and rugby league.

Better facilities as you have two teams using them. (better gym, better high performance unit, shared knowledge from expert staff on injury prevention and performance enhancement.) If anything having a soccer team as well would increase our chances of winning a GF.
 
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Stake in to an Aussie soccer side? No thanks. I wouldn't stake into a RL team and NRL has a billion plus $ TV deal to sure them up.

More than happy for us to play landlord, but thats about it.

We been in the RL business almost 50 years and not done too well at that. Lets finish chewing this mouthful before taking another bite.

To finally snare a bloke like Gorman only to have his focus not 100% on the Cronulla Sharks would be all sorts of stupid.

someone should have told joel parkinson that! he pumped 450k into the titans hahaha
 

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I think some of you guys are missing the point about the benefits having a soccer team as part of the sharks could do. Increased revenue for the stadium. Membership deals incorporating soccer and rugby league.

Better facilities as you have two teams using them. (better gym, better high performance unit, shared knowledge from expert staff on injury prevention and performance enhancement.) If anything having a soccer team as well would increase our chances of winning a GF.

Why couldn't a soccer team use our ground and facilities without us having equity in the franchise?
 

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Bit of media talk and lots of rumours about that the FFA will look to add a new team based in Southern Sydney from 2016 onward, perhaps at the expense of the Phoenix. We've discussed it at different times before but its something that deserves its own thread.

What do people think of the Sharks being involved? What would we risk/gain? Would the FFA want us involved? Would the franchise be viable?

I would rather we leased the stadium to them than outright own them. Any risk is unacceptable.
 

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I think some of you guys are missing the point about the benefits having a soccer team as part of the sharks could do. Increased revenue for the stadium. Membership deals incorporating soccer and rugby league.

Better facilities as you have two teams using them. (better gym, better high performance unit, shared knowledge from expert staff on injury prevention and performance enhancement.) If anything having a soccer team as well would increase our chances of winning a GF.
It could be anything from the making of the club financially to finishing the club off. Soccer teams seem to pop up and fold regularly.

It is the level of risk which many people on here find unacceptable.
 
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Yep not keen on owning them, I'm not prepared for the Sharks to be put at a huge risk to own a soccer side.

The idea of a side playing out of our ground and using our facilities is great and I'd be very keen to lease them out to a side. I don't see us being so lucky that this would happen without some form of input from us though.
 

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It's really difficult to know without a solid proposal on the table. Very early days sounding out many possibilities. Perhaps the Sutherland Sharks (soccer) want a big part in it? Perhaps Olympic or some other NSL team want to put money forward (probably not ideal for FFA). Maybe there's an individual investor. There's even the remote possibility that an overseas club wants a stake in a Sydney based team.

Whether our direct involvement is a good idea or not can only be determined once more detailed proposal is tabled.
 
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It's really difficult to know without a solid proposal on the table. Very early days sounding out many possibilities. Perhaps the Sutherland Sharks (soccer) want a big part in it? Perhaps Olympic or some other NSL team want to put money forward (probably not ideal for FFA). Maybe there's an individual investor. There's even the remote possibility that an overseas club wants a stake in a Sydney based team.

Whether our direct involvement is a good idea or not can only be determined once more detailed proposal is tabled.
For sure and even then people like us still wouldn't be in a good enough position to know if it's a good or bad move. I'm happy to trust Lyall to make the right moves.
 

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Lyall would obviously know the big wigs of Australian Soccer.

He'd also probably have a few decent international connections too.
 

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At the end of the day very few professional sporting teams turn a profit in this country. I can't see how a franchise plaing out of a small suburban ground is going to buck that trend.
 

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For sure and even then people like us still wouldn't be in a good enough position to know if it's a good or bad move. I'm happy to trust Lyall to make the right moves.
It would literally cost several million in terms of the cost of money men, lawyers, demographic studies etc to work out the viability of a team. The conclusion could well then be it is too risky to enter into the venture.

To start a soccer team real money would need to be spent.
 

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Just had a very interesting conversation with a mate who is heavily connected with both FFA and SSFA.

Looks like this is now just a matter of when and how rather than if.

It'll be interesting to see how many people jump ship from Sydney FC and Wanderers FC to support a Shire-based team.
 

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if it makes us money then go for it. if not then **** the idea right off. simple as that.
 

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Just had a very interesting conversation with a mate who is heavily connected with both FFA and SSFA.

Looks like this is now just a matter of when and how rather than if.

It'll be interesting to see how many people jump ship from Sydney FC and Wanderers FC to support a Shire-based team.

Well I've been biding my time picking an EPL and A-league side so if this is to happen in the next few days I'd retract any emotional connection to any side and get on that.

(Btw I've picked Leicester as my EPL side for anyone who cares. And yes I picked them at round 1 and didn't jump on the bandwagon)
 

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Sydney FC call on Football Federation Australia to rule out south Sydney A-League plans
Tom Smithies
The Daily Telegraph


THE chairman of Sydney FC has reacted furiously to the possible introduction of a new A-League team in south Sydney, accusing Football Federation Australia of breaking assurances and of “cutting our market in half”.

Scott Barlow said he and the other club owners had been told consistently by FFA CEO David Gallop that new A-League licences were “not on the agenda”, and warned that Sydney’s owners would “think long and hard” about how to react if a third Sydney team was introduced.

With Wellington told on Monday that their application for a new 10-year licence had been rejected, speculation has intensified that they could be replaced by a new team in Sydney – possibly as early as next season.

But Barlow said the southern part of the city was “a critical market” for Sydney FC, and he called on Gallop to rule out any immediate plans to introduce a team there.

“I’m surprised and disappointed that David Gallop hasn’t yet come out to refute these rumours, having assured all the A-League chairmen that new A-League licences are not on the agenda,” Barlow said.

“He said that no new licences would be issued for years, and certainly not before the existing clubs are financially sustainable.

“So we have real concern that FFA appear to be involved with meetings with multiple representatives from south Sydney in regards to a new club. I’d urge David to publicly reconfirm that this is not on the agenda, as he has said repeatedly to all the other A-League clubs.”

Wellington have the option of seeking a four-year term, or walking away at the end of the season – with a team in Sutherland and/or the St George area favourite to replace them, almost certainly funded and run by FFA.

But Barlow reeled off a list of statistics that he said illustrated why the introduction of a south Sydney team would have a “devastating” effect on the Sky Blues.

“South Sydney is critically important for us, he said. “Around 25 per cent of our members live south of Mascot; 40 per cent of our junior members live south of Mascot, and we have more members in Sutherland than any other region.

“There’s no question that a new team in the heart of a region so important to us would be a devastating blow and cut our market in half.

“It’s not what we signed up for and agreed to invest in more than 10 years ago. All A-League clubs must be able to operate with the assurance that their market won’t be cut in half, otherwise what’s the point in investing further?

“We don’t agree with the way Wellington have been treated, they deserve more respect.”

Asked what he and his father-in-law, majority owner David Traktovenko, would do if a new was introduced, Barlow said: “We’ll do everything we can to ensure that’s not the case, but if it happens, we’ll have to think long and hard about what to do next.”

http://www.foxsports.com.au/footbal...y-a-league-plans/story-e6frf4gl-1227585552015
 
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