sharkstragic
Jaws
Politicians and other people
Sprout their bull**** beliefs in the media all the time. But Israel is a footballer so he can’t . ffs what has this world come too.
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Politicians and other people
Sprout their bull**** beliefs in the media all the time. But Israel is a footballer so he can’t . ffs what has this world come too.
Yeah and if the leader of their party told them it was against the parties beliefs and they kept doing they risk getting sacked?
Izzy is the employee of a business who publicly told him to keep his beliefs to himself and then he disobeyed them. So they sacked him.
sharkstragic
Jaws
He won’t be sacked. He will win his court case because it’s discrimination. His lawyer will argue that the contract clause was signed under duress. He will win and rugby will lose him as a layer and a ****load if cash. For what? Tweeting about religion. No wonder the world is a **** fight these days. Everyone is so outraged and offended over **** they really shouldn’t be .
Unfortunately the fact you’re not offended, and I personally am not offended, does not mean that others should not be, or are not. It not offending all, or not offending the vast majority, doesn’t mean that it’s not hateful and it doesn’t mean it’s not wrong for him, in the position he’s in (and when he’s been explicitly told not to), to publicly share this opinion.
Because you’re not offended doesn’t mean a young gay kid who looks up to him isn’t and to be honest, probably not unreasonable if he is. Maybe that kid isn’t actually offended but other kids at his school see their hero say it’s okay to be hateful towards him and so they start to bully. Maybe someone in a vulnerable place suffering from alcoholism doesn’t need to see an Australian representative heaping **** on them. Maybe a Muslim who feels like they don’t fit in in Australia doesn’t just not care that an Australia sporting hero and Christian publicly supports that he should suffer for not being Christian.
It does no good to anyone, not even Izzy, and it can cause harm even if the vast majority are unharmed.
My main point is... It doesn’t seem unreasonable to ask our Australian sporting hero’s to not publicly talk **** about people, especially those that are potentially vulnerable. And if they can’t resist maybe they aren’t good representatives.
Because you’re not offended doesn’t mean a young gay kid who looks up to him isn’t and to be honest, probably not unreasonable if he is. Maybe that kid isn’t actually offended but other kids at his school see their hero say it’s okay to be hateful towards him and so they start to bully. Maybe someone in a vulnerable place suffering from alcoholism doesn’t need to see an Australian representative heaping **** on them. Maybe a Muslim who feels like they don’t fit in in Australia doesn’t just not care that an Australia sporting hero and Christian publicly supports that he should suffer for not being Christian.
It does no good to anyone, not even Izzy, and it can cause harm even if the vast majority are unharmed.
My main point is... It doesn’t seem unreasonable to ask our Australian sporting hero’s to not publicly talk **** about people, especially those that are potentially vulnerable. And if they can’t resist maybe they aren’t good representatives.
sharkstragic
Jaws
And that’s the problem. No one can say anything anymore without someone being offended.
If the young Gay kid looks up to a Christian sportsperson and is offended by their beliefs they should probably get a better suited role model. One that aligns with their way of thinking. It’s like Barrack Obama looking up to trump and getting offended by his tweets. Seriously. Get a grip .
That Muslim kid thinks that Christians are going to hell so that point gets blown out the door too.
It wasn’t too long ago that Christian values where entrenched in Australian society. I’m not a devoted Christian but I believe that everyone has a right to express their beliefs.. he isn’t ramming it down anyone’s throat. Most religious ideals are just common sense. Don’t hurt people. Don’t lie. Don’t be a ****wit basically. Some are just plain weird and contradict each other. But its what they believe, don’t listen to them if it doesn’t suit you.
It’s mainly just the gay comment that has people jumping up and down. Don’t give him airtime and it will just fade away.
It’s not like he molested a kid, raped or bashed someone. What he is saying is in the common knowledge anyway. We all know that’s what they believe. It can’t hurt you if You don’t believe it.
> doesn’t believe in something
> gets shot by someone who does
> “but that’s against the rules”
sharkstragic
Jaws
Now your resorting to absolute rubbish when your argument is torn to pieces. Ffs shooting someone? Your an idiot
A mosque just got shot up recently in NZ?
The people in there didn’t believe in white supremacy values and still got hurt.
Spreading hate can and does hurt people.
This is the extreme example but you decided all my more day to day examples weren’t offended.
You’re saying no harm can come from someone spreading hateful speech & agendas and if you can’t possibly see how it can then in my mind you’re the idiot.
Rugby Australia have done themselves no favours
1) didn't get Izzy to sign a clause in his contract about posting this sort of rubbish on social media before giving him $4m
2) chose to be only offended by half his post. Alcoholics and fornicators have feelings too!
3) bowed too quickly to sponsorship pressure. Should have been on top of things and distanced Qantas away from this
4) didn't consider what legal avenues Izzy had before trying to give him the arse
Every possible outcome from this RA loses
1) didn't get Izzy to sign a clause in his contract about posting this sort of rubbish on social media before giving him $4m
2) chose to be only offended by half his post. Alcoholics and fornicators have feelings too!
3) bowed too quickly to sponsorship pressure. Should have been on top of things and distanced Qantas away from this
4) didn't consider what legal avenues Izzy had before trying to give him the arse
Every possible outcome from this RA loses
sharkstragic
Jaws
It isn’t hate speech. It’s quoting the bible. Last time I checked that’s not a book an any banned list, in any country except maybe some hard line muslim countries.
And trying to draw a reference to what happens in NZ is disgraceful
andrew's_sharks
Great White
On Izy. It isn't hate speech, not even close to it. Not to mention we live in a free country where you can say what you like. If people don't like that they can go live in China or North Korea where you can't say what you like and and leave the rest of us to live with our freedoms.
Also on Izzy, either you believe in God and care about what he thinks or you don't believe in God and therefore don't care about what he thinks.
If you believe in God he has told you the 'truth' and his warning to repent may save your soul from hell.
If you don't believe in God what he said doesn't matter as he has said that you will go to a place you don't believe in and therefore have no reason to be offended.
Also on Izzy, either you believe in God and care about what he thinks or you don't believe in God and therefore don't care about what he thinks.
If you believe in God he has told you the 'truth' and his warning to repent may save your soul from hell.
If you don't believe in God what he said doesn't matter as he has said that you will go to a place you don't believe in and therefore have no reason to be offended.
HaroldBishop
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Supporting something that condemns other people is hateful, regardless of the source. As I said I don’t think it’s unfair to expect our Australian representatives to not publicly be hateful towards vulnerable groups.
This examples too small, this ones too big, this child should be better at choosing their idols. You went on about Obama looking up to Trump, it’s not even relatable to this conversation.
Can you seriously not imagine that a negative consequence could come from Australian sporting stars sharing anti-gay social media posts? And if it does it’s the victims fault for not looking up to different Australian sporting stars? Or for caring about their Australian sporting stars? Or whatever reason you decide for people that they shouldn’t be offended?
No let’s hold our Australian sporting representatives to a higher standard.
If he hates gay people (amongst others) so much he simply can’t keep that opinion to himself, even if that opinion hurts nobody, maybe he isn’t worthy to be a Wallaby - a position that is desirable and well paid due to the support of the public, gay, alcoholic, horny and otherwise
This examples too small, this ones too big, this child should be better at choosing their idols. You went on about Obama looking up to Trump, it’s not even relatable to this conversation.
Can you seriously not imagine that a negative consequence could come from Australian sporting stars sharing anti-gay social media posts? And if it does it’s the victims fault for not looking up to different Australian sporting stars? Or for caring about their Australian sporting stars? Or whatever reason you decide for people that they shouldn’t be offended?
No let’s hold our Australian sporting representatives to a higher standard.
If he hates gay people (amongst others) so much he simply can’t keep that opinion to himself, even if that opinion hurts nobody, maybe he isn’t worthy to be a Wallaby - a position that is desirable and well paid due to the support of the public, gay, alcoholic, horny and otherwise
It’s not necessarily the fear of hell that is offensive to the non-believer but what it represents to him and how that means he feels about you.
To him hell is the absolute worse thing that can happen to a person.
He is saying if you meet these criteria he thinks you deserve the worst possible thing to happen to you and you don’t need to believe in hell yourself to not want people supporting you suffering for all eternity.
andrew's_sharks
Great White
I hear what you are saying, but with all due respect, nobody said that's where they want anybody to go. Just based off what they know about God is a possibility. So they are warning them about the potential consequences of the continuation of choices they are making.
Within Christianity everybody is a sinner, recently a large focus has been on Homosexuality but Israel's post never singled out that group, there are a lot of people living together unmarried or playing around outside of marriage who are also sinning In the same way.
I am Christian and personally think it is impossible to know what anybodies relationship with God is like and disagree with posting like Izzy did because of that and because it is ineffective and causes further division. But I do support free speech and the sharing of ideas and debating ideas very strongly and as much as i disagree with the post I support that right.. .i really hate social media. But do think It is not up to myself or anybody else to limit what he has a right to say.
sharkstragic
Jaws
Agreed. And FFS Izy never said he hated gays , Alcoholics , Fornicators whatever. He just said Repent or Hell awaits. Its the outraged lynch mob that are attaching hate speech to his comments. Whatever suits your agenda I guess.
sharkstragic
Jaws
Absolutely. They have screwed the pooch royally on this one. Its going to cost them more than just $$$. Rugby has a massive following and participation of Pacific Islanders, many of whom are devout Christians who look up to Izy and
stand by him & his beliefs. They will continue to lose that support too. But according to some you cant support Izy's beliefs because apparently that's hate speech. Its a Communist Russia / Book Burning mentality & its Bull****.
That's the problem with the left. Its conform to their ideals or be crucified.
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If I sent an Email with that type of content to the everyone@company address at my work I would be told very clearly to not do so again. If I repeated this after the warning I would be risking my employment.
Same if I wanted to stand on the street corner and sprout bible verses with a company T shirt on. I’m free to do and say whatever I like on my own time but when I’m represent the company I have to be responsible to the boss for my actions.
Professional athletes who choose to be on social media are representing their employers/sponsors 100% of the time and they know this. I’m neither offended or outraged by his comments but I think it was dumb on his behalf. He should have just apologised.
Same if I wanted to stand on the street corner and sprout bible verses with a company T shirt on. I’m free to do and say whatever I like on my own time but when I’m represent the company I have to be responsible to the boss for my actions.
Professional athletes who choose to be on social media are representing their employers/sponsors 100% of the time and they know this. I’m neither offended or outraged by his comments but I think it was dumb on his behalf. He should have just apologised.
HaroldBishop
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Go to hell ya poof.