Official Cameron McInnes

Thresher · Apr 3, 2023

I get the feeling that Fitz has simplified Cameron's role to a point where it's all about fast play the balls and nothing else.

He is so focussed on that role that he's playing the ball too early sometimes.

Wiz · Apr 3, 2023

Thresher said:
I get the feeling that Fitz has simplified Cameron's role to a point where it's all about fast play the balls and nothing else.

He is so focussed on that role that he's playing the ball too early sometimes.

I don’t want us to be right but if we are and Fitz has told McInnes this is what he wants from him it’s tragic

McInnes is a good player and clearly the crash role isn’t working for him - it’s confusing

Wilson · Apr 3, 2023

Thresher said:
I get the feeling that Fitz has simplified Cameron's role to a point where it's all about fast play the balls and nothing else.

He is so focussed on that role that he's playing the ball too early sometimes.

Respectfully and this is a genuine question cause I’m unsure, but what else does / could McInnes offer in that lock role?

Thresher · Apr 3, 2023

Wilson said:
Respectfully and this is a genuine question cause I’m unsure, but what else does / could McInnes offer in that lock role?

Not trying to play the ball when he's still on the ground or on the top of a defender's head would be a start.

But yeah, he doesn't offer a whole lot else. He needs to be told to get that quick play the ball but not take unnecessary risks to do so.

Wiz · Apr 3, 2023

Wilson said:
Respectfully and this is a genuine question cause I’m unsure, but what else does / could McInnes offer in that lock role?

We need a Radley type in the forwards… bit of ball playing/quick little passes in the middle - changes it up

Out of all the forwards McInnes could do this I feel

snowman · Apr 3, 2023

Wizard said:
We need a Radley type in the forwards… bit of ball playing/quick little passes in the middle - changes it up

Out of all the forwards McInnes could do this I feel

i got no problem with that, its his errors being a mental **** and trying to do everything to quick

i get the feeling every play the ball with him is going to be an error

slide rule · Apr 3, 2023

The back row Pomeroy

Matty C of the Shire · Apr 3, 2023

slide rule said:
The back row Pomeroy

Surprisely I ran into Pom last night

Blair · Apr 3, 2023

I think he is only half responsible for the crash plays. He’s going to run that line every time because he is an effort player and he’ll always provide that option for Blayke. The problem is there are no other options for Blayke, whether that’s a bigger forward running a similar line or the backs calling for it out wide. He seems to get it because there are f all other options.

Sparkles · Apr 3, 2023

Blair said:
I think he is only half responsible for the crash plays. He’s going to run that line every time because he is an effort player and he’ll always provide that option for Blayke. The problem is there are no other options for Blayke, whether that’s a bigger forward running a similar line or the backs calling for it out wide. He seems to get it because there are f all other options.

Nicho ran two crash plays back-to-back against the Warriors. I think it's more than just a Blayke thing.

bort · Apr 3, 2023

Sparkles said:
Nicho ran two crash plays back-to-back against the Warriors. I think it's more than just a Blayke thing.

You could watch every game each weekend and see them. They are done for a reason.

Anyone who thinks we should just pass it wide and score instead doesn't have a good understanding of the game.

Jaz · Apr 3, 2023

bort said:
You could watch every game each weekend and see them. They are done for a reason.

Anyone who thinks we should just pass it wide and score instead doesn't have a good understanding of the game.

Know what you're saying but they don't need to be as risky as we're currently making them. Expecting a forward to catch the ball half an inch before the defensive line is crazy.

andrew's_sharks · Apr 3, 2023

Honestly they should probably just use him as a tackling machine Michael Luck styles. Just a coup runs a game when you need a quick play the ball otherwise just be super involved with defence and stay out of attack.

bort · Apr 3, 2023

andrew's_sharks said:
Honestly they should probably just use him as a tackling machine Michael Luck styles. Just a coup runs a game when you need a quick play the ball otherwise just be super involved with defence and stay out of attack.

Hover around the ruck to

back up Brailey if he gets out
run as a decoy off the runners (maybe get it)
run a tip on off to someone else (go himself if it was a quick PTB)

Basically never taking solo runs unless they are coming off Blayke getting out or off a quick PTB and no other runner ready to jump outside him
In attack support and opportunistic work. In defence one thousand tackles.
No more one out straight hitups into a set defensive line

Sharkfox · Apr 3, 2023

Cam's a good player, and he puts in the effort with hit ups and defense. Need to utilise him more and maybe get him to ball play than just being a battering ram. The other bench middles are not fit and mobile, they need to put in more work, especially with hit ups and play with more intensity mid field. Otherwise give the guy a chance to play some dummy half during game and then move him to lock. I dont know why we dont look at using two dummy halves, when top clubs and origin teams have success with this system. Atleast trial it out for 1 or 2 games, you can always have Cam move back to lock if its not going as planned during game.

Gards · Apr 4, 2023

Matty C of the Shire said:
Surprisely I ran into Pom last night

Was he passing to you on a line break?

vicsharkfan · Apr 4, 2023

Could we do a body swap like (face off) great movie. And swap him into kafusi’s body. It’s the outside the box thinking we need to get our season back on track.

BurgoShark · Apr 4, 2023

Sharkfox said:
I dont know why we dont look at using two dummy halves, when top clubs and origin teams have success with this system. Atleast trial it out for 1 or 2 games, you can always have Cam move back to lock if it’s not going as planned during game.

Which “top clubs” have had success with a 2 hooker system? The 2015 or 2017 Cowboys? The 2021 minor premiers Storm who didn’t make the GF?

Top 4 last year were all teams with 80 minute hookers. 18 of 20 teams in GF’s in the last 10 years had 80 minute hookers (injuries aside).

QLD do it in origin, sure - but in origin there is more ball in play, the opposition can’t do video on you, and the bloke on the bench is a top 10 player in the world (and often plays other roles in the game).

I think most NRL coaches have a preference for an 80 minute player at hooker. There are less than 17 of those players in the league though, so some teams are forced to do it differently.

Milkshark · Apr 4, 2023

I actually don’t like a 2 rotation due to wasting interchanges. Our forwards are blowing keeping up with the game speed also.

I do however think a Brailey McInnes could work, or is worth a try. Start McInnes, finish with Brailey.

andrew's_sharks · Apr 4, 2023

BurgoShark said:
Which “top clubs” have had success with a 2 hooker system? The 2015 or 2017 Cowboys? The 2021 minor premiers Storm who didn’t make the GF?

Top 4 last year were all teams with 80 minute hookers. 18 of 20 teams in GF’s in the last 10 years had 80 minute hookers (injuries aside).

QLD do it in origin, sure - but in origin there is more ball in play, the opposition can’t do video on you, and the bloke on the bench is a top 10 player in the world (and often plays other roles in the game).

I think most NRL coaches have a preference for an 80 minute player at hooker. There are less than 17 of those players in the league though, so some teams are forced to do it differently.

Exactly! I think the way around this is more so to get more out of the rest of your pack to reduce his load in defence.

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