Official Cameron McInnes

[snowman]

Which “top clubs” have had success with a 2 hooker system? The 2015 or 2017 Cowboys? The 2021 minor premiers Storm who didn’t make the GF?

Top 4 last year were all teams with 80 minute hookers. 18 of 20 teams in GF’s in the last 10 years had 80 minute hookers (injuries aside).

QLD do it in origin, sure - but in origin there is more ball in play, the opposition can’t do video on you, and the bloke on the bench is a top 10 player in the world (and often plays other roles in the game).

I think most NRL coaches have a preference for an 80 minute player at hooker. There are less than 17 of those players in the league though, so some teams are forced to do it differently.

i take it you didnt watch the grand final last year, or the finals for that matter

just made something up again

 

[Gumby]

Penrith been playing with 2 hookers for 4 years plus :?
Storm had Grant and Smith.
South’s had Cook and Havili would jump in occasionally.

 

[bort]

i take it you didnt watch the grand final last year, or the finals for that matter

just made something up again

I know Mitch Kenny isn't the best player in the league but to flat out ignore his existence seems harsh...

 

[snowman]

I know Mitch Kenny isn't the best player in the league but to flat out ignore his existence seems harsh...

as a person who fabricates things for a reaction on here, for him to put that much detail in a post that was wrong the beginning is hilarious

 

[Sparkles]

as a person who fabricates things for a reaction on here, for him to put that much detail in a post that was wrong the beginning is hilarious

Nice try mate... trying to make us believe you fabricate things

 

[snowman]

Nice try mate... trying to make us believe you fabricate things

lad, i literally turned the entire forum in math teachers for a bit of fun

 

[Sparkles]

lad, i literally turned the entire forum in math teachers for a bit of fun

Pity it wasn't English teachers

 

[snowman]

Pity it wasn't English teachers

we are in australia, why do we need english teachers

 

[Sharkfox]

Which “top clubs” have had success with a 2 hooker system? The 2015 or 2017 Cowboys? The 2021 minor premiers Storm who didn’t make the GF?

Top 4 last year were all teams with 80 minute hookers. 18 of 20 teams in GF’s in the last 10 years had 80 minute hookers (injuries aside).

QLD do it in origin, sure - but in origin there is more ball in play, the opposition can’t do video on you, and the bloke on the bench is a top 10 player in the world (and often plays other roles in the game).

I think most NRL coaches have a preference for an 80 minute player at hooker. There are less than 17 of those players in the league though, so some teams are forced to do it differently.

Panthers we all know the game is faster now, dummy halves do more work defensively. Qld did it, Blues did it, because they factor in the first 20 minutes of high intensity and how much work the dummy half has to do.

Having an 80 minute dummy half is preference, but if your 80 minute player is getting worn down or needs a breather so that he can do more for the rest of the game, then use a sub. The other thing to take into account is how strong/good the oppositions forward pack is. You give Cam 15-20 mins at dummy half, and then shift him back to lock for rest of the game. Like i said atleast trial it out and see if its effective or works, we have a lock who's had experience at dummy half and went good there, use this option while we have it.

Wade is also still here and will always be picked and be on the bench, so turn him into a ball playing lock to sub Finucane. One thing i dont like about our bench selection is we have all middles who are sent out there to do the same simple thing. This season when theres a back on the bench, even though they have play making abilities, theyre only there as back up for the backline and not planned to be used anywhere else during the game. Though it is not necessary, i would prefer to have a player on the bench that can be a play making or attacking option in the middle either at lock or dummy half. With Wade and Cam, we have the option to try both

Bench
14. Mcinnis (dummy + lock)
15. Kaufusi (prop)
16. Hunt (prop)
17. Graham (ball playing lock)

 

[Sharkfox]

Which “top clubs” have had success with a 2 hooker system? The 2015 or 2017 Cowboys? The 2021 minor premiers Storm who didn’t make the GF?

Top 4 last year were all teams with 80 minute hookers. 18 of 20 teams in GF’s in the last 10 years had 80 minute hookers (injuries aside).

QLD do it in origin, sure - but in origin there is more ball in play, the opposition can’t do video on you, and the bloke on the bench is a top 10 player in the world (and often plays other roles in the game).

I think most NRL coaches have a preference for an 80 minute player at hooker. There are less than 17 of those players in the league though, so some teams are forced to do it differently.

Teams this season with 2 dummy halves

*Panthers (Kenny/Luke)
*Broncos (Paix/Walters)
*Raiders (Woolford/Levi/Starling) *Dolphins (Marshall King/Stone/Nikorima/Donohoe)
*Tigers (Koroisau/Simpkin) *Dragons (Mbye/Liddle)
*Roosters (Smith/Turpin)
*Eels (Hodgson/Hands)
*Knights (Brailey/Crossland)
*Sea Eagles (Croker/Lawton/Weekes)
*Bulldogs (Mahoney/Brown)
*Titans (Randall/Verills/Clarke)

with 1 dummy half

*Storm (Grant)
*Warriors (Egan/Lussick)
*Sharks (Brailey)
*Rabbitohs (Cook)
*Cowboys (Robson, although they have Granville, and Townsend and Dearden also tend to come in at dummy half to give Robson a break)

Lets say the game got faster with the rule changes 2019 onwards

2019 Roosters had Verills, Friend, Radley in the season, Verills and Friend GF. Raiders had Hodgson and Havili during season but chose to have Simonson on the bench for grand final instead of another dummy half

2020 Storm had Smith and Smith, Panthers had Koroisau and Kenny during season but chose to have Naden on the bench for grand final instead of another dummy half.

2021 Panthers had Koroisau and Kenny during season but chose to have May on the bench for grand final. Rabbitohs chose to use Marshall as utility

2022 Panthers had Koroisau and Kenny. Eels had Mahoney and chose to have Arthar on the bench

 

[snowman]

Teams this season with 2 dummy halves

*Panthers (Kenny/Luke)
*Broncos (Paix/Walters)
*Raiders (Woolford/Levi/Starling) *Dolphins (Marshall King/Stone/Nikorima/Donohoe)
*Tigers (Koroisau/Simpkin) *Dragons (Mbye/Liddle)
*Roosters (Smith/Turpin)
*Eels (Hodgson/Hands)
*Knights (Brailey/Crossland)
*Sea Eagles (Croker/Lawton/Weekes)
*Bulldogs (Mahoney/Brown)
*Titans (Randall/Verills/Clarke)

with 1 dummy half

*Storm (Grant)
*Warriors (Egan/Lussick)
*Sharks (Brailey)
*Rabbitohs (Cook)
*Cowboys (Robson, although they have Granville, and Townsend and Dearden also tend to come in at dummy half to give Robson a break)

Lets say the game got faster with the rule changes 2019 onwards

2019 Roosters had Verills, Friend, Radley in the season, Verills and Friend GF. Raiders had Hodgson and Havili during season but chose to have Simonson on the bench for grand final instead of another dummy half

2020 Storm had Grant and Smith, Panthers had Koroisau and Kenny during season but chose to have Naden on the bench for grand final instead of another dummy half.

2021 Panthers had Koroisau and Kenny during season but chose to have May on the bench for grand final. Rabbitohs chose to use Marshall as utility

2022 Panthers had Koroisau and Kenny. Eels had Mahoney and chose to have Arthar on the bench

harry grant did not play the 2020 grand finall

they had smith and smith

 

[Sharkfox]

harry grant did not play the 2020 grand finall

they had smith and smith

Yes, error

 

[bort]

Teams this season with 2 dummy halves

*Panthers (Kenny/Luke)
*Broncos (Paix/Walters)
*Raiders (Woolford/Levi/Starling) *Dolphins (Marshall King/Stone/Nikorima/Donohoe)
*Tigers (Koroisau/Simpkin) *Dragons (Mbye/Liddle)
*Roosters (Smith/Turpin)
*Eels (Hodgson/Hands)
*Knights (Brailey/Crossland)
*Sea Eagles (Croker/Lawton/Weekes)
*Bulldogs (Mahoney/Brown)
*Titans (Randall/Verills/Clarke)

with 1 dummy half

*Storm (Grant)
*Warriors (Egan/Lussick)
*Sharks (Brailey)
*Rabbitohs (Cook)
*Cowboys (Robson, although they have Granville, and Townsend and Dearden also tend to come in at dummy half to give Robson a break)

Lets say the game got faster with the rule changes 2019 onwards

2019 Roosters had Verills, Friend, Radley in the season, Verills and Friend GF. Raiders had Hodgson and Havili during season but chose to have Simonson on the bench for grand final instead of another dummy half

2020 Storm had Grant and Smith, Panthers had Koroisau and Kenny during season but chose to have Naden on the bench for grand final instead of another dummy half.

2021 Panthers had Koroisau and Kenny during season but chose to have May on the bench for grand final. Rabbitohs chose to use Marshall as utility

2022 Panthers had Koroisau and Kenny. Eels had Mahoney and chose to have Arthar on the bench

Stone, Nu Brown*, Clarke can cover hooker but I don't think they are being named on bench with the intention to.
Weekes also I think is being named for general coverage, not hooker specifically.
Of those though Dolphins do regularly use a second hooker still. Titans have been a mixed bag with both Verrills and Randall doing full 80s as hooker at times.

Dogs I definitely think fall into the one hooker category.

 

[Sharkfox]

The team i hate the most is broncos, because of their fans in my circle haha but gotta say, i like their rotation and how Paix and Walters have come along since last year, also have blake Mozer waiting, he looks the goods.

When was the last time we used 2 dummy halves, when we had segeyaro?

 

[BurgoShark]

*Cowboys (Robson, although they have Granville, and Townsend and Dearden also tend to come in at dummy half to give Robson a break)

This is team structure. Everyone does this - including my u14's. It's normal. Watch any team closely.

Lets say the game got faster with the rule changes 2019 onwards

Why would we say that? It's not true.

2019 Roosters had Verills, Friend, Radley in the season, Verills and Friend GF. Raiders had Hodgson and Havili during season but chose to have Simonson on the bench for grand final instead of another dummy half

2020 Storm had Smith and Smith, Panthers had Koroisau and Kenny during season but chose to have Naden on the bench for grand final instead of another dummy half.

2021 Panthers had Koroisau and Kenny during season but chose to have May on the bench for grand final. Rabbitohs chose to use Marshall as utility

2022 Panthers had Koroisau and Kenny. Eels had Mahoney and chose to have Arthar on the bench

None of these were a rotation. You listed some guys who were coming back from injury, and a bunch of guys who can play hooker, but usually didn't unless the main guy got injured or the score was already a blowout... plus Cam Smith and Hodgson, who would sometimes switch to lock but stay on the field.

It's a great idea to have a player in your team who can player hooker, but the Sharks already have that.

The team i hate the most is broncos, because of their fans in my circle haha but gotta say, i like their rotation and how Paix and Walters have come along since last year, also have blake Mozer waiting, he looks the goods.

Paix and Walters are both halves who have been turned in to hookers, and weren't NRL regulars until that started.

... and yeah... Mozer is a weapon. Those other two are just keeping the seat warm.

 

[Wiz]

The team i hate the most is broncos, because of their fans in my circle haha but gotta say, i like their rotation and how Paix and Walters have come along since last year, also have blake Mozer waiting, he looks the goods.

When was the last time we used 2 dummy halves, when we had segeyaro?

I love that Walters let’s his young players have a run

They are thriving

 

[Sharkfox]

I love that Walters let’s his young players have a run

They are thriving

Yeah, theyre all coming good now, i like how he's sticking to Mam and let Kelly, Gamble, Turpin go, and kept Paix and Walters in the dummy roles instead of in the halves. Let Martin and Niu go and trusting Walsh to do the job.
Time for Fitz to pick and stick with Trindall in the halves. Bring up some forwards that are hungry

 

[Sharkfox]

This is team structure. Everyone does this - including my u14's. It's normal. Watch any team closely.

Yes, but they do it more often than most halves.

Why would we say that? It's not true.

It has gotten faster with the 6 again rule, no?

but the Sharks already have that.

Use him, otherwise he's just a one dimensional battering ram being wasted when he has other abilities we could try unlock again. I dont see him being good as a ball playing lock, but he could be good playing dummy half again, worth giving a shot

Paix and Walters are both halves who have been turned in to hookers, and weren't NRL regulars until that started.

Theyre going good with the positional/role change, especially Paix, who plays more structural. Walters can be a good spark when he's on

 

[BurgoShark]

Panthers

Nope.

we all know the game is faster now, dummy halves do more work defensively.

No and no.

Qld did it, Blues did it, because they factor in the first 20 minutes of high intensity and how much work the dummy half has to do.

Origin and NRL are not the same game.

Having an 80 minute dummy half is preference, but if your 80 minute player is getting worn down or needs a breather so that he can do more for the rest of the game, then use a sub.

100% agree. Might be a great call for some teams. Now show me where Brailey is getting tired or worn down.

 

[BurgoShark]

Yes, but they do it more often than most halves.

No, they don't.

It has gotten faster with the 6 again rule, no?

It hasn't.

In 2020 under Covid the commentators were under instruction to say how great it was.. but it wasn't faster. It was crazy-fast (super league) for about 4-6 weeks, and then came back to normal levels. 2022 there were more stoppages than ever in the history of the game, and this year so far is the same.

Just over 50% of the game is "action". Same as 2019. Less than the 90's.

Use him, otherwise he's just a one dimensional battering ram being wasted when he has other abilities we could try unlock again. I dont see him being good as a ball playing lock, but he could be good playing dummy half again, worth giving a shot

He's not a ballplayer. Never had been. He can still be a good lock though. Just not executing so far this season.

They're going good with the positional/role change, especially Paix, who plays more structural. Walters can be a good spark when he's on

I ****ING LOVED both these players as halves. I've been watching Paix since he was 16. He gave me a stiffy he was so good... but it has taken him a long time to adjust to being a 9. Same for Billy. As a 6 he could rip teams apart, and drag a team around like a boss.. but he is just not big/fast enough to be an NRL half.

Neither player was/is ready to be an 80 minute player. It's good coaching by Kev to find something that works. Seibold had Turpin pegged as the hooker of the future, but he didn't fit Kevie's style,