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With the amount of youth we have lost over the past couple of years and the current Peachey saga I thought I'd throw this out there.

Recent years we have lost a lot of players that people have blown up about Peachey, KOD, Frizzell, Bukuya, Townsend, Viiga, Pickerd this can go on for many a season with different prospects.

Some of these players fade into nothing, others go on to be the one that got away.

Where does the line that seperates the good from the bad come in?

How do you manage these signings to get the talented youth to stay on for less?

Personally I think we could have had some better management of the following players that may have seen us retain them. Peachey, Bukuya, Frizzell and Townsend as for Viiga, KOD and Pickerd there was no way we could really manage these players better as we had much better options.

I'll start with Frizzell. I think there were a lot of games he could have been picked over Taga/Taufua/Tupou. I think he was ripped off in regards to first grade opportunities and didn't see himself getting a go here so he left. I personally would have loved to see him retained and us not sign Heighington.


Peachey has been a tough one to manage due to our star studded backrow and how small he is. I personally think he should have been blooded last year during Origin to get a taste of the backrow in the NRL
This year when we had Lichaa and DeGois out injured I think we should have had Peachey filling in as a utility off the bench.
I think with this added faith shown in Tyrone and his love of the club we could have retained Peachey quite cheap.

Bukuya it's quite simple IMO he should be a certainity to be in the top 17 somewhere. If we didn't have Heighington or Tupou (if we had to have Tupou play Gal at prop) he stays in my eyes.

Townsend if given a decent crack here I have no doubt would have stayed and lets face it the gap between him and Robson is nothing. He should atleast have been given a decent crack with Carney.

While Taga and Taufua have been very handy for our club I think they have played a big role in the losses of Frizzell and Bukuya plus a minor one in Peachey.

One thing I'm very glad of is we re-signed Lichaa. He hasn't been given a chance and seems to be happy to bide his time.

With better management I think we would have the following young players:
Lichaa
Peachey
Frizzell
Townsend
Feki
Sopoaga
Gardner
Moroko
Manumalealii
Coates

The following fairly young players:
Bukuya
Graham
A & D Fifita
Carney
Leutele

Along with the following old heads:
Gallen
Gibbs
M. Gordon
Lewis
DeGois

Plus other players mixed in we would have been able to afford players like Farrell or a good even a Josh Morris plus some of these players would have been upgraded. This would have us well placed for a number of years.

The best clubs are successful at making their young players feel wanted and end up keeping them cheaper than what they could have signed on else where for. This is an area Cronulla is really lacking.
 

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good post Deano,

It's sad that these days we can't bring players through the ranks.

Thats a good reason why they need to bring back 1st grade, Reserve grade, and under 23's (presidents Cup).

A player then can progress through the ranks at the one club. Players get lost to the game after Under 20's

Until this happens we are going to see a lot of young junior talent walk out the door.
 
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You forgot vave
That I did plus most likely others. Vave would be pretty handy coming off the bench IMO. I think he could have managed a few more games here and it would have assisted in re-signing him. I don't think he would have played a large amount more though.
 

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The other thing that gets a bit lost in this is the combinations that players build over time. While its good bringing in players like Lewis, Gordon, Heighington, Ryan, etc. if we had developed a group of those under 20's team from 2011 into first grade now that would be 3-4 years worth of playing together.
 
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I'll start with Frizzell. I think there were a lot of games he could have been picked over Taga/Taufua/Tupou. I think he was ripped off in regards to first grade opportunities and didn't see himself getting a go here so he left. I personally would have loved to see him retained and us not sign Heighington.


Peachey has been a tough one to manage due to our star studded backrow and how small he is. I personally think he should have been blooded last year during Origin to get a taste of the backrow in the NRL
This year when we had Lichaa and DeGois out injured I think we should have had Peachey filling in as a utility off the bench.
I think with this added faith shown in Tyrone and his love of the club we could have retained Peachey quite cheap.

Bukuya it's quite simple IMO he should be a certainity to be in the top 17 somewhere. If we didn't have Heighington or Tupou (if we had to have Tupou play Gal at prop) he stays in my eyes.

Townsend if given a decent crack here I have no doubt would have stayed and lets face it the gap between him and Robson is nothing. He should atleast have been given a decent crack with Carney.

The best clubs are successful at making their young players feel wanted and end up keeping them cheaper than what they could have signed on else where for. This is an area Cronulla is really lacking.

You hit the nail exactly on the head Deano...with respect to Frizell, Townsend and Peachey, if they had been shown some encouragement and some decent game time when the playing stocks were low ie around Origin time last year, and when we had injuries to our main players, I have no doubt they would have stayed for lesser money because they did bleed black white and blue. Surely incentive based contracts a year ago would have kept them here and encouraged. Sigh....
 

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With the amount of youth we have lost over the past couple of years and the current Peachey saga I thought I'd throw this out there.

Recent years we have lost a lot of players that people have blown up about Peachey, KOD, Frizzell, Bukuya, Townsend, Viiga, Pickerd this can go on for many a season with different prospects.

Some of these players fade into nothing, others go on to be the one that got away.

Where does the line that seperates the good from the bad come in?

How do you manage these signings to get the talented youth to stay on for less?

Personally I think we could have had some better management of the following players that may have seen us retain them. Peachey, Bukuya, Frizzell and Townsend as for Viiga, KOD and Pickerd there was no way we could really manage these players better as we had much better options.

I'll start with Frizzell. I think there were a lot of games he could have been picked over Taga/Taufua/Tupou. I think he was ripped off in regards to first grade opportunities and didn't see himself getting a go here so he left. I personally would have loved to see him retained and us not sign Heighington.


Peachey has been a tough one to manage due to our star studded backrow and how small he is. I personally think he should have been blooded last year during Origin to get a taste of the backrow in the NRL
This year when we had Lichaa and DeGois out injured I think we should have had Peachey filling in as a utility off the bench.
I think with this added faith shown in Tyrone and his love of the club we could have retained Peachey quite cheap.

Bukuya it's quite simple IMO he should be a certainity to be in the top 17 somewhere. If we didn't have Heighington or Tupou (if we had to have Tupou play Gal at prop) he stays in my eyes.

Townsend if given a decent crack here I have no doubt would have stayed and lets face it the gap between him and Robson is nothing. He should atleast have been given a decent crack with Carney.

While Taga and Taufua have been very handy for our club I think they have played a big role in the losses of Frizzell and Bukuya plus a minor one in Peachey.

One thing I'm very glad of is we re-signed Lichaa. He hasn't been given a chance and seems to be happy to bide his time.

With better management I think we would have the following young players:
Lichaa
Peachey
Frizzell
Townsend
Feki
Sopoaga
Gardner
Moroko
Manumalealii
Coates

The following fairly young players:
Bukuya
Graham
A & D Fifita
Carney
Leutele

Along with the following old heads:
Gallen
Gibbs
M. Gordon
Lewis
DeGois

Plus other players mixed in we would have been able to afford players like Farrell or a good even a Josh Morris plus some of these players would have been upgraded. This would have us well placed for a number of years.

The best clubs are successful at making their young players feel wanted and end up keeping them cheaper than what they could have signed on else where for. This is an area Cronulla is really lacking.
Great post mate. I agree with the points you make. Retention of quality juniors should be our priority along with purchasing good quality imports. We have imported some good quality but not in key areas. Frizzell is getting better and better at the Dragqueens. A comment about Frizzell by Gould in last Fridays game made me think that they had Peachey over the line at Penrith.
 
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good post Deano,

It's sad that these days we can't bring players through the ranks.

Thats a good reason why they need to bring back 1st grade, Reserve grade, and under 23's (presidents Cup).

A player then can progress through the ranks at the one club. Players get lost to the game after Under 20's

Until this happens we are going to see a lot of young junior talent walk out the door.

Exactly right. What happens when there is only 2 grades for the club after under20s.

They either stay in firsts, or become an on/off first grader, depending on injuries/suspensions/origin etc.

In Tyrones case, any team can find a place for him, Penrith NEEDED him, Gould knew that, hence why he probably paid more than any other club would be comfortable paying. Tyrone with 2 games under his belt, would jump at the highest bidder i have no doubt in my mind. Regular first grade spot? Probably.

People make it sound like Tyrone has been sitting here with no idea of where he stands in the team. Im sure the staff has always been very involved in ensuring self belief in these blokes, not to mention lay it all out fo where they stand. Next year, Flanno could have said, bench utility is yours. Nobody can say thats a **** idea, cos every **** on this forum has had him penned into the bench for over 12 months in their little imaginary teams. Gould offers him a starting role.

More game time - more money is always going to beat the bench role- less money.
 

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good post Deano,

It's sad that these days we can't bring players through the ranks.

Thats a good reason why they need to bring back 1st grade, Reserve grade, and under 23's (presidents Cup).

A player then can progress through the ranks at the one club. Players get lost to the game after Under 20's

Until this happens we are going to see a lot of young junior talent walk out the door.

This is the real issue - NYC is a failure. Bring back the U23's. Young players, particularly props, don't fully develop until after that age...
 

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One of those sad realities these days. Every young kid wants to be in the NRL tomorrow.

If they show any talent the bigger clubs offer them the world and a shot at NRL.

Lichaa was close to going to Manly last year and stayed here for a lot less. Shame Peachy wouldn't do the same.

Peachy was close at the start of 2012 and he didn't play well that year. He got a one year deal at the end of 2012 which was better than any other offer.

He has a great 2013 and plays like he knows he can. We make an offer, to late and he is gone.

We have let our juniors go and the club has been working hard to support the juniors more. We will get back on track.

We will want to look after Lichaa in 2014 or else he will be gone as well. If he leaves that is everyone for the dominate 2011 NYC team.
 

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Just to give you an idea ,as you all seem to mention the 2011 toyota cup year ,here is the team that dominated and won it ,let's see where they all are now .This is an exercise to show you can't retain all your talent.
Some moved due to players blocking their progress,others poached etc .But end of the day you can't keep them all and this coming from a team where they have to pay overs to retain talent and have alot of players on contract as noone wants to go there from oz ..
Some worked out,some didn't but just because they are a u20 / reserve grade gun doesn't always translate into a nrl star

1. Omar Slaimankhel - Japan Rugby
2. Adam Henry - Sydney Roosters
3. Sosaia Feki - Cronulla Sharks
4. Konrad Hurrell - NZ Warriors
5. Dylan Collier - Manly
6. Carlos Tuimavave - Nz Warriors
7. Jordan Meads - Sunshine coast
8. Ligi Sao - Manly
9. Eko Malu -
10. Donald Tony
11. Sam Lousi - Nz Warriors
12. Ben Henry (c) - Nz warriors
13. Sebastine Ikahihifo - NZ warriors

14. Siliva Havili
15. George Maka - Dragons
16. Agnatius Paasi
17. Sio Siua Taukeiaho - NZ Warriors
18. Siulongua Fotofili
19. Toka Likiliki - Knights

They also won it the year (2010) before and alot of those players are gone too
 

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Just to give you an idea ,as you all seem to mention the 2011 toyota cup year ,here is the team that dominated and won it ,let's see where they all are now .This is an exercise to show you can't retain all your talent.
Some moved due to players blocking their progress,others poached etc .But end of the day you can't keep them all and this coming from a team where they have to pay overs to retain talent and have alot of players on contract as noone wants to go there from oz ..
Some worked out,some didn't but just because they are a u20 / reserve grade gun doesn't always translate into a nrl star

1. Omar Slaimankhel - Japan Rugby
2. Adam Henry - Sydney Roosters
3. Sosaia Feki - Cronulla Sharks
4. Konrad Hurrell - NZ Warriors
5. Dylan Collier - Manly
6. Carlos Tuimavave - Nz Warriors
7. Jordan Meads - Sunshine coast
8. Ligi Sao - Manly
9. Eko Malu -
10. Donald Tony
11. Sam Lousi - Nz Warriors
12. Ben Henry (c) - Nz warriors
13. Sebastine Ikahihifo - NZ warriors

14. Siliva Havili
15. George Maka - Dragons
16. Agnatius Paasi
17. Sio Siua Taukeiaho - NZ Warriors
18. Siulongua Fotofili
19. Toka Likiliki - Knights

They also won it the year (2010) before and alot of those players are gone too

Yeah money talks
 
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