just on the manly pack,(i am fairly sure) they have also lost mark bryant to the english super league, so that weakens them a fraction, but still a good pack. depth could be a problem if kite or perry get hurt. that glenn hall seems like a good player, and could easily cover front row for them if needed. i think depth wise, we could have the best pack going around, and i am a fan of snowden as well, so i can't wait to see how he goes this year.