The reasons why the Sharks have failed the last few years

[Beejay]

Some quality posts here. Shame the thread is only rated 1 star, which minimises any rep points given!

 

[Jigsaw]

^^ This guy here being injured is the only reason why the sharks have failed this year.

 

[sharkafar]

You know, sometimes when I read through threads like this one I can't help but think of that scene in the 'Life of Brian' where the People's Front of Judea and the Campaign for a Free Galilee are duking it out in the sewers and Brian plaintively cries -
"Brothers, Brothers, we should be struggling together!"
to which the fighting insurrectionist groups reply -
"We are!"

 

[A.Snowden]

All i can say is...Threads like these are fiucking stupid...Simple.

^^ This guy here being injured is the only reason why the sharks have failed this year.

Did you watch him in NSW cup last week? Nothing spectacular!

 

[Sharky Pete]

Agreed AS,

The big thing that disappoints me year after year is seeing our fans turn on each other after a loss.

Turning on each other is not going to help the boys win football matches.

I know things aren't great, I have supported this club long enough to know the dark days of the late 80's, early 90's.

We are here to support a team we love, yes things aren't great right now but I believe a golden era is on the horizon with our NYC side the future of the club.

 

[chikenhawk]

The reasons why the Sharks have failed the last few years are due to poor management and poor player recruitment.

1/Greg Bird was sacked from the club. No matter what you think about this affair players of Bird's calibre should never have been let go if YOU want to win a competition. Bird was judged by media fans and commentators. Bird legally found not guilty. Bird, yes he acted inappropriately by blaming his mate but that doesn't mean he should have been sacked/released by the club. This is part of the reason for Sharks poor run over the last few years. And for all you saying 1 player doesn't make a team, Bird is an elite player, an Origin player, and a player for his country. Anyone that understands anything about sport will know that he would have been a lifetime Cronulla player.

Was Brett Stewart punted? No! Manly & Des Hasler actually have a clue. Even though I dislike Manly.

2/ Beau Scott was let go( I remember at the time all the expert fans saying he's no good) another good player gone from Sharks. Plays for Australia and plays Origin.

3/ Brett Seymour was punted and should have been kept. Here is a halfback 90 kgs 26 years old. Yes he had some problems they could have been sorted out. But now we sign a 29 year old that isn't half of what Seymour is. You can talk all you like about Townsend, he's a kid and an apprentice. Seymour should have been kept.

4/ We should have kept Isaac De Gois the last few years. I hear you say we didn't have the money. Why would that be? We signed a guy named Karl Filiga on 200k untested at 1st grade level? Someone hasn't got a clue.

5/ Players like Bryan Norrie are let go and HE IS a good 1st grade player playing for the side coming first. This begs the question for all you Sharks fans. You didn't care when he left because you think he's hopeless. If therefore your opinion is of any value then how is he playing for the Storm squad, the BEST side in the comp at present, and performing week in week out.

Bird situation was handled poorly by the club, but what else were the Sharks to do? The Roosters got it right with Todd Carney this year - it's better to suspend the players than sack them - hindsight is a great thing isnt it..

As for Beau Scott - he was a Cronulla first grader, not an NRL first grader, when he left the club. It took him 2-3 years after he left the club to get to origin - it has more to do with Bennett's coaching. I had no problems seeing him leave at the time and theres no way his football would have developed to that level if he had stayed.

Seymour - he had a great year in 08, but hardly the messiah you've made him out to be.

De Gois - agreed - should never have been let go. Thanks Sticky once again.

Norrie - same as Scott. He wasn't putting in under Stuart. Look at him now at the Storm - he's revived his career thanks to Bellamy.

Don't want to play the blame game, but Ricky Stuart has to wear alot of the blame of the demise of our side since 08. While Sticky took us close in 08 he couldn't keep the stability in the squad and the rest is history.

We are now rebuilding with young talent, a few decent heads, a superstar of the game and a rookie coach - we have to be patient

 

[samshark]

The reasons why the Sharks have failed the last few years are due to poor management and poor player recruitment.

1/Greg Bird was sacked from the club. No matter what you think about this affair players of Bird's calibre should never have been let go if YOU want to win a competition. Bird was judged by media fans and commentators. Bird legally found not guilty. Bird, yes he acted inappropriately by blaming his mate but that doesn't mean he should have been sacked/released by the club. This is part of the reason for Sharks poor run over the last few years. And for all you saying 1 player doesn't make a team, Bird is an elite player, an Origin player, and a player for his country. Anyone that understands anything about sport will know that he would have been a lifetime Cronulla player.

Was Brett Stewart punted? No! Manly & Des Hasler actually have a clue. Even though I dislike Manly.

2/ Beau Scott was let go( I remember at the time all the expert fans saying he's no good) another good player gone from Sharks. Plays for Australia and plays Origin.

3/ Brett Seymour was punted and should have been kept. Here is a halfback 90 kgs 26 years old. Yes he had some problems they could have been sorted out. But now we sign a 29 year old that isn't half of what Seymour is. You can talk all you like about Townsend, he's a kid and an apprentice. Seymour should have been kept.

4/ We should have kept Isaac De Gois the last few years. I hear you say we didn't have the money. Why would that be? We signed a guy named Karl Filiga on 200k untested at 1st grade level? Someone hasn't got a clue.

5/ Players like Bryan Norrie are let go and HE IS a good 1st grade player playing for the side coming first. This begs the question for all you Sharks fans. You didn't care when he left because you think he's hopeless. If therefore your opinion is of any value then how is he playing for the Storm squad, the BEST side in the comp at present, and performing week in week out.

Enough said, it is what it is. You can all say "move on". I won't move on until we start to look like a threat for a competition which is a long way off. You can all accept the mediocrity that is Cronulla. But I, do not accept the continuing mediocrity at the Sharks. We have no decent outside backs. Our centres are Colin Best and Pomeroy. You will not, & cannot win comps with this team.

Insert Bird Seymour and De Gois into this side over the past seasons and tell me we wouldn't have been closer to the eight. Cronulla need some decent backs.
Cronulla should do something about getting Bird back to the club in the future so he can finish playing at the Sharks. But I know they won't because they have no clue and don't want to win a competition. They will keep on signing retreads.

Dont see the point of re-hashing all this. We all know recruitment and retention has been pretty **** the last few years and you are incorect on a couple of points as well.

Bird - agree, big **** up handled badly. Said all along he would be found not guilty and pleaded with the board not to sack him.

Scott and De Gois - Why do people think that every player who leaves the club was 'let go'? Ever think for a minute that maybe they wanted to leave. Scott wasnt let go, he wanted to leave and return to the Dragons. He never really liked it at the sharks. DeGois was offered big money which the club wouldnt match. Call it a stuff up but maybe they couldnt afford to.

Seymour - was given multiple chances and kept stuffing up. Can only give a guy so many chances. there were incidents involving him which didnt make the newspapers as well and he didnt really do much at the Warriors.

Norrie - this was a Ricky stuff up. He was never really happy with Norrie, same with Ross. Neither fitted the Ricky mould for a prop. But give Norrie a decent coach and you see what happens.

Outside backs - been a problem since Stuart and Flannagan took over the coaching and funnily enough is still a problem. Why, because neither have a clue how to recuit, coach and develop outside backs. (See last 4 games for recent evidence).

Ricky and Flanagan are great at coaching an intense forward dominated bash and barge style down the middle of the field. Anything else involving the outside backs in both attack and defence they have no idea and the proof is right there in front of you.

 

[sharkarm]

While Flanno has had a decent first year as coach, he has lacked any imagination as far as our attack is concerned. At times we are given every chance to score but fail to complete due to poor 5th tackle options.

Defence has been poor especially in recent times, a number of players look disinterested.

On the other hand injury has not helped us this season, still no excuse for the latest string of performances.

Stand out players this season: Gal, Dougie, Smith, Morris, Graham,Wright, Stapylton, Bukuya. Kelly,Tagatese and Cordoba worth a mention.

 

[samshark]

While Flanno has had a decent first year as coach, he has lacked any imagination as far as our attack is concerned. At times we are given every chance to score but fail to complete due to poor 5th tackle options.

Defence has been poor especially in recent times, a number of players look disinterested.

On the other hand injury has not helped us this season, still no excuse for the latest string of performances.

Stand out players this season: Gal, Dougie, Smith, Morris, Graham,Wright, Stapylton, Bukuya. Kelly,Tagatese and Cordoba worth a mention.

We dont score because we dont do anything with the ball. We just roll down the middle of the field to get close to the line for a play or a kick, which invariably dont come off.

If supercoach actually did anything on the 4th or 5th tackle with the backs it might be different.

Can someone explain this one for me? What is the purpose of the play where the ball goes out to the half who goes across field and hits a forward from deep on the inside (usually Gallen) who cuts back in and ends up getting tackled right where the previous play the ball was. Made zero meters, back in the middle of the field facing a defensive line now reset and ready. Dumb dumb play.

 

[sharkarm]

We dont score because we dont do anything with the ball. We just roll down the middle of the field to get close to the line for a play or a kick, which invariably dont come off.

If supercoach actually did anything on the 4th or 5th tackle with the backs it might be different.

Can someone explain this one for me? What is the purpose of the play where the ball goes out to the half who goes across field and hits a forward from deep on the inside (usually Gallen) who cuts back in and ends up getting tackled right where the previous play the ball was. Made zero meters, back in the middle of the field facing a defensive line now reset and ready. Dumb dumb play.

I agree, a very predictable play.

 

[since1967]

Sir, the only idiot is YOU. The Sharks continue with mediocrity, and if you can't improve on the mistakes that have been made in the past then your future will be the same. If you can't see that you're a dope and a dullard, it's as simple as that. Can you tell me when it has looked like we had a promising season ahead apart from the last time Bird played for the club. Be real about situations. Fact is you aren't. We sign retreads at this club, a perfect example is Jeff Robson. Sign someone that's going to make a difference at the club and at least have the fans and supporters hoping that we have some possibilities.

No use to compare Dykes Rogers or Peachey to Bird and Seymour, Bird and Seymour behaved badly it doesn't mean they needed to be removed from the club. Humans make mistakes, it was all blown out of proportion.

It's called trial by the Daily Telegraph because there is hardly any other sport reported in this paper apart from NRL. That is a fact.

Where in my post did i suggest i was ok with the current mediocore performances of the club? I am not happy and obviously neither are you. The difference between you and i though is i am about looking for a way to improve the financial situation and performance of the club, you on the other hand have started a thread, that talks about stuff 3 and 4 seasons ago. Get the f*** over that stuff, every club has parts of its past they are less than happy about it. The longer people like you come on here and drag this s*** up and whinge and whine the longer it feels like the club hasn't moved on from it, and it gives the media the fuel to sell there crap stories!!!!

 

[Boundos]

The difference between you and i though is i am about looking for a way to improve the financial situation and performance of the club, you on the other hand have started a thread, that talks about stuff 3 and 4 seasons ago.

God forbid someone logs onto an internet forum and starts a thread!

 

[Mr Ryan]

Agreed AS,

The big thing that disappoints me year after year is seeing our fans turn on each other after a loss.

Turning on each other is not going to help the boys win football matches.

I know things aren't great, I have supported this club long enough to know the dark days of the late 80's, early 90's.

We are here to support a team we love, yes things aren't great right now but I believe a golden era is on the horizon with our NYC side the future of the club.

We made the finals in both 88 and 89, including the minor premiership in 88.

If that is dark days what would you call these past 3 seasons?

 

[teflon77]

We made the finals in both 88 and 89, including the minor premiership in 88.

If that is dark days what would you call these past 3 seasons?

The apocalypse?

 

[Sharky Pete]

We made the finals in both 88 and 89, including the minor premiership in 88.

If that is dark days what would you call these past 3 seasons?

I meant early 90's, mate.

I was referring to 1990-94.

1993 we were almost wound up, we were that drowned in debt. From what I remember we went within a whisker of folding.

 

[Lumpy]

I meant early 90's, mate.

I was referring to 1990-94.

1993 we were almost wound up, we were that drowned in debt. From what I remember we went within a whisker of folding.

Yes that was ture. The thing that turned our whole club around was winning the President Cup GF and Reserve grade GF in 1994. From thoses teams we found Peachy, Longy, Ryan, Rodgers, Lang, Best, Healy, and all the others. Very, very similar to what is happening now.

We are on the right track with our juniors and the NYC team. We just need to keep the faith and get the development going.

 

[Sharky Pete]

Yes that was ture. The thing that turned our whole club around was winning the President Cup GF and Reserve grade GF in 1994. From thoses teams we found Peachy, Longy, Ryan, Rodgers, Lang, Best, Healy, and all the others. Very, very similar to what is happening now.

We are on the right track with our juniors and the NYC team. We just need to keep the faith and get the development going.

:Yes: :Yes: :Yes: :Yes:

We just need to get that message across to the nuffies who bag the team on the official FB page.

 

[miasg]

wasn't that long ago we tied for 1st place .. what's really happened since? we dumped Kimmorley .. since then we haven't had a decent kicking game .. that's the ****ing issue .. not bird, de gois, etc ..

also I'd love Bird to stay but he ****ed up on legal advice - he was asked a simple question about the incident - he refused to answer it. How hard was it to say "no I didn't intentionally glass the mrs" ??? Sponsors were pressuring to pull out - they had no real choice. We are all over it now - move on.

And I still think Beau Scott is a muppet who couldn't catch a ball. The dragons moved him in the forwards to tackle not catch and pass in the centres.

If you want to change the past go back to 1978 GF game 1 and tell them to kick a field goal so they don't draw.

 

[stormshark]

It clearly is the only option for us at the moment financially, to bring through the juniors and work on local development. The problem is this still won't bring ultimate success in the NRL as it stands. Even in easier times on a leveller playing field, Cronullas most successfull teams also had several excellent kiwi and/or Pommy players in there.That's also our history and we will also need some imports OS or locally to bring home the cup now.

 

[Ramzyv1]

The Sharks have failed to make the 8 this year but Flanno has done what Ricky Stuart could not, and that was to rebuild the side after what happened early on in 2009. We can all argue about the specific situations that occured then and at the end of 2008 but it doesn't do anything.

I think Flanno has improved our team's discipline, ball control and attack. The latter still has some improvement left in it of course but that will come with the experience of Albert Kelly, Chad Townsend and Wade Graham (I doubt Robson will add much).

This year for the most part we have fought back to get some respect and reinstate some of the intimidation our forward pack provided in 2008. I hope this will continue next year.

We have unearthed and/or refined some great young talent this year and have locked many of them in for the next few years which could be the start of some exciting times down here. Townsend, Kelly, Bukuya, Peachey, Mills, Frizell.

The signings of Wade Graham and Jeremy Smith were masterstrokes that really added something. We have also offloaded some deadweight and have a couple of experienced and a couple of exciting players coming to usnext year. While Snowy and Douglas are a major loss, we have mutiple players coming in an attempt to fill the void and it does mean an overhaul of the team that was here in 2009, and therefore a potential culture change that is needed.

Things did not pan out the way we wanted this season and some of the recent performances have been really poor. But if the team can finish on a couple of wins then I am quite confident going into next year that we can make a push for the 8.