The reasons why the Sharks have failed the last few years

[SHARKSTER]

Don't go bringing back nightmares Mark.

Guys I think we all know the primary issue is MONEY. Money to give the coaching staff the support they really need in specialised areas, Money to assure current and possible target players that we are secure and the place to come and play footy. We can bitch about the past, who did or didn't do what, but I believe we have a guy in charge that has lived through all this as a fan, just like we have and he and his team will do everything possible to turn this around. Lets just focus on the future. As much as we can say we must learn from past mistakes I have no doubt in my mind that our leaders are in fact implementing change as best they can to avoid any repeat of those nightmare years. Have faith.

 

[oozy]

Spotting talent, acquiring talent, nurturing and harnessing that talent, then ultimately retaining said "TALENT" is the cornerstone of any successfull enterprise.
Could the above forementioned crietria be applied to our great team?
...For me, based on varying factors beyond the clubs control and some shady shonks at the helm in times past. factor in the fact that we still exist .
I would hardily give us a credible B+.

Secondly, i believe you have the unalienable right to whine, whinge, curse,
gripe, jump up and down, throw Molotov cocktails(not literally) into the
mix if you so desire. Start topical threads(heaven forbid) δημοκρατία after all.
Even Hold some unnamed scallywag to account. your friggen right..!

~So your a long-time hardcore gutted fan that requires more than a sugar coated explanation for the clubs perceived failings
on ya bike steve...no muppetts wanted here...
This joint is for fair dinkum die hards. we bleed B.W.B around ere.
Fugg off !! Go support some other team.~

In your OP you mentioned specific players not being retained were your reasons why we have failed to grasp the Holy Grail or perhaps be a more recurring force in the NRL. You may well be right to some extent.
From where i most humbly sit, i figure it starts at the top, little too Clique
for you?
Fact! all best business models are first scrutinized, processed, diluted then ultimately adopted.

I like to daydream from time to time about the past just like you Steve.
Heavens to betzy's , i know where your coming from mate, all to well.

I just hope that the proverbial pot of gold at the end of the rainbow
one day finally shines it's destination on endeavour .:cheers
~great thread mate.

 

[slide rule]

On Friday 13th August 1999 I opened a golf umbrella in the Leagues Club while walking under a painters ladder. This startled a black cat junior, who knocked over a glass mirror and smashed it.

Sorry everyone.

 

[fitz]

'coz

 

[Gards]

On Friday 13th August 1999 I opened a golf umbrella in the Leagues Club while walking under a painters ladder. This startled a black cat junior, who knocked over a glass mirror and smashed it.

Sorry everyone.

It obviously took a few years for the bad form to kick in...

 

[Steve Kneen]

On Friday 13th August 1999 I opened a golf umbrella in the Leagues Club while walking under a painters ladder. This startled a black cat junior, who knocked over a glass mirror and smashed it.

Sorry everyone.

Must have been your Dad in 1967.

People blaming refs need to take a hard look at what the score was 9 minutes to go. 25-18. The facts are that means the Sharks clocked off and decided that they thought 7 is enough to win rather than going for more points and putting the Roosters to bed. The Sharks do not do that. They give all sides a sniff, and that is what happened here. The Sharks are the Chicago Cubs of Rugby league.

Bad luck, I will still follow them as I have been for a long time but it's hard to take.

Next year won't be different, we signed no frills from Franklins again in Jeff Robson and Bryce Gibbs and Fifita. They cannot possibly make a difference to this team, and anyone that wants to put a positive spin on this is just having themselves on and knows absolutely nothing about what it takes to win a competition. Losing good players year in year out makes it impossible. They are the facts. Takes a lot of resilience to follow the Sharks.

 

[Born&bred]

Must have been your Dad in 1967.

People blaming refs need to take a hard look at what the score was 9 minutes to go. 25-18. The facts are that means the Sharks clocked off and decided that they thought 7 is enough to win rather than going for more points and putting the Roosters to bed. The Sharks do not do that. They give all sides a sniff, and that is what happened here. The Sharks are the Chicago Cubs of Rugby league.

Bad luck, I will still follow them as I have been for a long time but it's hard to take.

Next year won't be different, we signed no frills from Franklins again in Jeff Robson and Bryce Gibbs and Fifita. They cannot possibly make a difference to this team, and anyone that wants to put a positive spin on this is just having themselves on and knows absolutely nothing about what it takes to win a competition. Losing good players year in year out makes it impossible. They are the facts. Takes a lot of resilience to follow the Sharks.

Didn't clock off at all - they were allowed to do anything at that point - forward passes etc...

 

[squiddy]

Didn't clock off at all - they were allowed to do anything at that point - forward passes etc...

OK B&B I'll run with your thoughts - lets see what Flanno and Gal say at the press conference .

and we'll compare that to say Dessy or JT last night

 

[Born&bred]

OK B&B I'll run with your thoughts - lets see what Flanno and Gal say at the press conference .

and we'll compare that to say Dessy or JT last night

Difference is squiddy - I watched it on tv, and heard repeatedly from the commentary (which aren't our friends btw) "forward - allowed to play on" when I was seeing just that - also, in that situation I'm in a better position to see it than people at the game.

 

[squiddy]

Difference is squiddy - I watched it on tv, and heard repeatedly from the commentary (which aren't our friends btw) "forward - allowed to play on" when I was seeing just that - also, in that situation I'm in a better position to see it than people at the game.

Mate I'm not totally disagreeing their last rush - Mini's try came from a metre forward , forward pass .

I just want to hear Flanno blow up at the press conference - no good being the nice guy

 

[Born&bred]

Mate I'm not totally disagreeing their last rush - Mini's try came from a metre forward , forward pass .

I just want to hear Flanno blow up at the press conference - no good being the nice guy

Fair enough mate - I suppose my point is (and I know we made some woeful errors in the latter stages) they wouldn't have been anywhere near us if the ref's calls were even close to fair.

I know it's easy to blame refs and get flamed for doing so - but there was some very crucial calls (and non-calls) by far in their favour.

 

[SF]

I won't agree that Scott was poor. Scott used to have some handling problems, agreed. But the fact is if you go back through it, Gallen was dropping the ball just as much as Scott was when Scott was at the club, so did we let Gallen go through his poor handling back then? No. Gallen's ball handling has improved out of sight in the past 2-3 years only. Furthermore when Scott was at the club he was only a kid in 1st grade and he played centre, now he is in 2nd row. You give other guys playing 1st grade at his age the same treatment and say they're crap?

It's obvious that talent is not being identified for one reason or another, or that talent is not being extracted. The recruitment process has to be better.

I was disappointed we let Beau Scott go at the time. I was also disappointed we let Bronx Goodwin go both times. I'd say 1 out of every 50 Sharks players who's left the club has ever gone on to make us regret it. I really don't think retention is the issue. Recruitment (and the money behind it) yes, player development yes, but not retention.

 

[BlackWhiteBlue]

We cannot blame the refs for our downfalls for the last 3 seasons. Our squad, in reality, is not up to NRL first grade standard IMO. Theres a few players who are. And the rest are a lucky dip. Gallen, Smith and Douglas. Gardner in spots, Morris in spots. Not a Snowden fan, i think he's nursed himself since his Newy decision.

A team like Melbourne would not have lost that game. A few calls should not stop a team from making tackles

 

[fitz]

We cannot blame the refs for our downfalls for the last 3 seasons. Our squad, in reality, is not up to NRL first grade standard IMO. Theres a few players who are. And the rest are a lucky dip. Gallen, Smith and Douglas. Gardner in spots, Morris in spots. Not a Snowden fan, i think he's nursed himself since his Newy decision.

A team like Melbourne would not have lost that game. A few calls should not stop a team from making tackles

There's a whole lot of big sweeping opinionated statements embedded there.

Care to give us some insight as to what sort of workable strategies you would employ to rectify the situation?

 

[Art Vandelay]

when you have no money...you cant spend on footy operations like the other clubs can. bellamy isnt just one man. he's the leader of an elite team of off field personnel that runs the best rugby league team in the land. they need big spending in footy operations to achieve that.

they have billy slater, cam smith, cooper cronk and a few dudes here an there. 19-3?
its the system that wins. build around 3 elite players in a system that operates at an elite level.
We cant do that due to budget and financial issues.

so you spend what you can. you hire an inexperienced coach and hope that he can get the best out of the team with a thin support staff.
they're all trying hard but the job is beyond their skills/paygrade in this new era of ultra professionalism.

As far as the players are concerned...its a long year. they've tried hard but in the end results have got the better of them. id say the team is in a bad place at the moment and alot of em are just waiting for the season to end.

that said there is some hope for the future.

we have unearthed a halfback. something we havn't really had since 2005 (noddy was never the same after that origin game) Whilst he hasnt played all that flash the last couple he started well, is young and has tremendous potential. we sholudl persist with townsend in fists next year with kelly..gardz at the back and degois and right there you have something to build around.

We have good youngsters coming through. Friz, Peach, Mills, etc etc
in anycase

as fans...round 26 we should all get down to the game, buy a few beers and cheer the boys off the field.regardless of the result.Its been a long tough year. we are now heading into an offseason of uncertainty. the 3a decision is march. the club will be re negotiating sponsorships that will be key to our operational viability. the club must work their asses off to recapture the fans and build a bigger member base after another ultimately fruitless season.

we as cant afford to lose hope at this vital stage in the club's existence.

otherwise..

Well there wont be a team and itll all be for **** all and yeah. thatll be that.

 

[ABshark]

I agree with most of that Art, well said mate.

 

[fitz]

when you have no money...you cant spend on footy operations like the other clubs can. bellamy isnt just one man. he's the leader of an elite team of off field personnel that runs the best rugby league team in the land. they need big spending in footy operations to achieve that.

they have billy slater, cam smith, cooper cronk and a few dudes here an there. 19-3?
its the system that wins. build around 3 elite players in a system that operates at an elite level.
We cant do that due to budget and financial issues.

so you spend what you can. you hire an inexperienced coach and hope that he can get the best out of the team with a thin support staff.
they're all trying hard but the job is beyond their skills/paygrade in this new era of ultra professionalism.

As far as the players are concerned...its a long year. they've tried hard but in the end results have got the better of them. id say the team is in a bad place at the moment and alot of em are just waiting for the season to end.

that said there is some hope for the future.

we have unearthed a halfback. something we havn't really had since 2005 (noddy was never the same after that origin game) Whilst he hasnt played all that flash the last couple he started well, is young and has tremendous potential. we sholudl persist with townsend in fists next year with kelly..gardz at the back and degois and right there you have something to build around.

We have good youngsters coming through. Friz, Peach, Mills, etc etc
in anycase

as fans...round 26 we should all get down to the game, buy a few beers and cheer the boys off the field.regardless of the result.Its been a long tough year. we are now heading into an offseason of uncertainty. the 3a decision is march. the club will be re negotiating sponsorships that will be key to our operational viability. the club must work their asses off to recapture the fans and build a bigger member base after another ultimately fruitless season.

we as cant afford to lose hope at this vital stage in the club's existence.

otherwise..

Well there wont be a team and itll all be for **** all and yeah. thatll be that.

I'll have to rep that because you seem to have nailed the real issue.

Money.

As I've said before, I am completely dumbfounded how people can come on here and argue ad infinitum the most trivial bits of nonsense in the face of REAL and ACTUAL issues such as Board elections and the impact that will have on the Development and how that will sustain us in the NRL.

It seems that the reality that we may lose our Club forever is largely lost on most.

Perhaps they actually don't care.

Or perhaps, all that "business" side of things is just all that icky, unpalatable grown-up and adult stuff that somebody else will take care of.

Wake up people!