The reasons why the Sharks have failed the last few years

[bjrshark]

Sir, the only idiot is YOU. The Sharks continue with mediocrity, and if you can't improve on the mistakes that have been made in the past then your future will be the same. If you can't see that you're a dope and a dullard, it's as simple as that. Can you tell me when it has looked like we had a promising season ahead apart from the last time Bird played for the club. Be real about situations. Fact is you aren't. We sign retreads at this club, a perfect example is Jeff Robson. Sign someone that's going to make a difference at the club and at least have the fans and supporters hoping that we have some possibilities.

seriously mate... if you don't like it... **** off and support someone else.

if you cant find any positives out of next years signings and future outlook... I for one would rather see you piss off and support.... maybe the drag queens are more to your liking.

I am sick to death of negativity and useless non-constructive threads in the football forum. I may at times babel on with bull**** but will never be so negative as to make it seem as though I am embarrassed to support this club.

and I'm with dier and this is directed to no one in particular... I can handle bad grammar, not needed in this forum but... LEARN TO SPELL. it is embarrassing.

btw... seymour had plenty of chances.... bird flat out lied and put the club in a unenviable position. that said however i would not complain if bird was invited back.

 

[SHARKSTER]

i heve a issue wive bad spellun as wel

 

[IronShark]

We are running on no money, with a skeleton coaching staff and yet the NYC are 2nd in the comp, as are our NSW Cup team.

Add to that, we are ahead of Parramatta, the Gold Coast, the Raiders and the Roosters. Pretty much all of whom are running on at least four times our budget - so what's their excuse?

Have we failed or are we over-achieving? We still have a Club to support and we are building a secure future. I'm satisfied with that.

 

[snowman]

We are running on no money, with a skeleton coaching staff and yet the NYC are 2nd in the comp, as are our NSW Cup team.

Add to that, we are ahead of Parramatta, the Gold Coast, the Raiders and the Roosters. Pretty much all of whom are running on at least four times our budget - so what's their excuse?

Have we failed or are we over-achieving? We still have a Club to support and we are building a secure future. I'm satisfied with that.

while i share your optimism, the true nature of how poor our squad is, iss starting to show.
teams figured chad out quickly, they targeted gards more, and probably licked their lips with tt running onto the field.

6300 people turning up wont hurt anything, call the fans fickle, call me fickle, i dont know if i can be ****ed driving to cronulla from penrith next monday to watch the boys get hammered

 

[Gil]

Nice post Iron.

Myself and alot of other fans feel the pain after a loss and yes we make comments after game day, hopefully out of frustration.

We are going well in the lower grade which is unreal,

I remember a month ago there was so much excitement around the team with our run in the second part of the season. Unfortunately it didn't happen.

You could see the frustration and disappointment in Gallens face at the post game interview.

At the end of the day, I'll always support the Sharks through the good and bad days ahead.

Yes we have improved on last year, which is a positive.

We need to give the teams alot more support, especially the NSW and Toyota cup teams.

 

[dal shark]

We can talk about these quotes/ facts till the cows come home!!!!!!. We must leave the past in the past, and move forward and look at the pros more than the cons. Look at the youth in the ranks here in the club, the young guys that tasted grade footy this year.

The toyota team kicking goals, this is what the board and coaching staff should work with and fine tune a bloodly good team long term. It wont happin in 1 season it takes 3 0r 4.

So sharks fans stay positive, and lets support the boys in all grades for the rest of the year. Nrl, Nsw Cup, Toyota Cup..

Up Up Cronulla...

 

[bjrshark]

We can talk about these quotes/ facts till the cows come home!!!!!!. We must leave the past in the past, and move forward and look at the pros more than the cons. Look at the youth in the ranks here in the club, the young guys that tasted grade footy this year.

The toyota team kicking goals, this is what the board and coaching staff should work with and fine tune a bloodly good team long term. It wont happin in 1 season it takes 3 0r 4.

So sharks fans stay positive, and lets support the boys in all grades for the rest of the year. Nrl, Nsw Cup, Toyota Cup..

Up Up Cronulla...

thank you.... someone else with sense and capable of stringing together a coherent post. there are a few left!

hope to see that post count rise dal. :cheers

 

[brently]

Very hard to argue against any of that , throw in Latu's sacking earlier because that is what started the rot , and also Preston's treatment.

i'd say all points are debatable, some more than others. if we're doing an archeology dig, why not go all the way back and blame greg hartley??

 

[Born&bred]

i'd say all points are debatable, some more than others. if we're doing an archeology dig, why not go all the way back and blame greg hartley??

I still do mate...

 

[squiddy]

i'd say all points are debatable, some more than others. if we're doing an archeology dig, why not go all the way back and blame greg hartley??

I think I have somewhere in another post haha !!

I tell you , and this is by the by debate if you want or just leave it to go to the keeper but one of the big changes at Sharks came with Ando, the whole culture changed. Pre Ando we were very heavily local based players , tbh we didn't recruit much relying on the local juniors to come through , that all changed with Ando as far as I'm concerned , and with it has come a decade of despair.

We now have a 20s side going great guns - lets hope they push on through

 

[Lumpy]

We have made mistakes in the past and our current squad is playing well below par. I love the Sharks and would do anything I could to help them. While I don't agree with all of Steves comments he is allowed to make them. All of us agree that what has been served up the last month is rubbish and not what we expect. I can handle losing but the way we have lost over the last month has left me feeling flat. What has been turned out on the field over the last month can not be rewarded. The same blokes can't keep running out week after week. We may not have allot but we need to get better results from what we have. Give some of the kids a go at least if we lose we are giving them some experience for the future. They are keen and will do everything at 100 km a hour.

It has to stop and if we play like this for the next 4 weeks it will kill what ever good work we have done this year. I want to hear from the staff about what is happening and how they are going to fix it. i don't want to hear the same thing that we heard last year about how it is unfair and not a true refelction of what is happening at training. How the boys are working hard and we just have to stick together. Rubbish. I want real answers and I want it now!

I want to see some changes and I want blokes who want to bleed for the team. I want our coaching staff to help our players want to be better and play better than they were last week. I want it to be totally unexceptable to have blokes running sideways or running with no purpose. I want it to be totally unexceptable to have blokes diving at our feet to score trys. I want our halves to learn how to kick for repeat sets and throw quick clean balls to our outside backs. I want our wingers to mark their man. I want Gal to be told to play tight and stay out of the backline. I want our halves to run the game and tell people what to do rather than people telling them what to do. I want better use of our bench with our back up hooker getting real game time. I want us to believe in ourselves, our team and each other. I want them to show pride in their jumper. I want them to know it is ok to lose so long as they are doing everything in their power to win. I want to see some expansive attacking footy set up by complete dominance from our hard hitting no nonsense forward pack. I want other teams to know that they are not ever going to go through us. If they are going to beat us they are going to have to bleed, scream and run around us. I want a team that says to the opposition, "you better come to play", when you meet us. I want teams to fear our passion, pride and intensity.

I don't care about a premiership, I don't care about our results. I care about pride in the jumper, pride about personal performance, pride in each other.

Give me all of that and you will have more supporters, belivers and premierships than your wildest dreams.

 

[Gil]

I think I have somewhere in another post haha !!

I tell you , and this is by the by debate if you want or just leave it to go to the keeper but one of the big changes at Sharks came with Ando, the whole culture changed. Pre Ando we were very heavily local based players , tbh we didn't recruit much relying on the local juniors to come through , that all changed with Ando as far as I'm concerned , and with it has come a decade of despair.

We now have a 20s side going great guns - lets hope they push on through

I agree with your comment.

I have said for years, that era was the turning point in our clubs history and we are just starting to come out of it.

well do to all involved in correcting this error.

 

[SHARKSTER]

I think I have somewhere in another post haha !!

I tell you , and this is by the by debate if you want or just leave it to go to the keeper but one of the big changes at Sharks came with Ando, the whole culture changed. Pre Ando we were very heavily local based players , tbh we didn't recruit much relying on the local juniors to come through , that all changed with Ando as far as I'm concerned , and with it has come a decade of despair.

We now have a 20s side going great guns - lets hope they push on through

And that was my point exactly.

 

[Steve Kneen]

seriously mate... if you don't like it... **** off and support someone else.

if you cant find any positives out of next years signings and future outlook... I for one would rather see you piss off and support.... maybe the drag queens are more to your liking.

I am sick to death of negativity and useless non-constructive threads in the football forum. I may at times babel on with bull**** but will never be so negative as to make it seem as though I am embarrassed to support this club.

and I'm with dier and this is directed to no one in particular... I can handle bad grammar, not needed in this forum but... LEARN TO SPELL. it is embarrassing.

btw... seymour had plenty of chances.... bird flat out lied and put the club in a unenviable position. that said however i would not complain if bird was invited back.

The thread is what is called calling a spade a spade and it is too bad people like you that call themselves supporters can see anything positive when fact is we have one player called Paul Gallen that is a marquee player. Who else in the club would you call a gamebreaker? There isn't any. Until the Sharks sign someone that is capable of winning a game on their own the likes of a Barry Russell, ET, Mark McGaw, David Peachey Steve Rogers (RIP) etc the club has failed its fans. I don't need to piss off, it's people like you that have tried to glean something positive out of bull**** signings to the club & accept the mediocre players that the club continue to sign.

 

[hitman124]

I read about 3 lines of this thread before I realised what a waste of time it was.You need serious help if you are still on the greg bird saga. Bird was offered full support by the club, but he chose to lie a number of times, he was found guilty, but later his verdict was thrown out in less than convincing manor. Bird Screwed Cronulla, Cronulla didnt screw Bird.
Shouldnt Bird take responsibility for his own actions, and should have showed more care not to put himself in that sutuation? Remember, you dont know what happened that night, all you know is what story the two came up with in court.

Norrie was a Nuffie, sure he can play well now he has a great team around him.

Degois wouldnt have made that much of a difference to us.

If you want to get technical, shouldnt you be angry at Brett Seymour for playing a game of soccer before our pre lim final and wrecking his knee? Shouldnt have he taken extra care? But no, you seem to think its our fault.

If you honestly thought we were going to be a top 4 side this year then you are disillusioned. We were tipped to run last this year by many people, we have been competitive in many games, and been very unlucky at times.

I hold my club in very high esteem, its not like we are being taken over by a mining tycoon, selling our souls to buy premierships. This is Cronulla, our trophy cabinet may be bare, but our integrity is very high.

 

[Shark]

Lumpy...I had tears in my eyes reading your 3rd and 4th paragraphs champ. It's exactly how I feel. The thing is, you do what you are saying and a premiership is inevitable.

You're a good man.

 

[Lumpy]

Lumpy...I had tears in my eyes reading your 3rd and 4th paragraphs champ. It's exactly how I feel. The thing is, you do what you are saying and a premiership is inevitable.

You're a good man.

Thanks mate. Appreciate your kind words:cheers

 

[fitz]

... Until the Sharks sign someone that is capable of winning a game on their own the likes of a Barry Russell, ET, Mark McGaw, David Peachey Steve Rogers (RIP) etc the club has failed its fans....

Hmmmm... and where did all of them get there start in Rugby League?

At the moment we have an Under 20's NYC team going great guns. We also have a NSW Cup side that's going along really well too.

That is where are future success lies and that is what is being developed and nurtured. That process takes times and the Club is building it's foundations NOW for future success.

Where did the Club go wrong?

It went wrong by not honouring junior development and getting caught up in a mindset of "the grass is always greener"

Thankfully, with a lot of hard, unsung work by a lot of truly dedicated people, that situation is turning around and we're starting to see the evidence and benefit of that now in NYC and NSW Cup.

This is exactly why we need the likes of Jonathan Docking and Phillip Tiernan elected to the refined Sharks Board. Both of these candidates are tireless advocates of junior Rugby League development in the Shire.

There's no point looking at the causes of failure if you're not going to learn from them.

The Sharks future glory currently sits in its nursery - yes, our NRL team is under-performing but we've got a lot to be looking forward to.

 

[HrvatskaDomovino]

I don’t buy the argument that our playing roster is the problem or more specifically the outside backs for our lack of success. Melbourne contain in Blair and Nielsen two former reserve graders contributing to the broader success of the team. Put Pomeroy, Best, Leutele, Stapleton and Wright in their back line and their position on the table would be no different IMO. Same could be said in regards to Lowe, Norrie and Woolnough vis-à-vis Cordoba, Mannah and Vave. Bellamy is the Arsene Wenger (Ferguson gets an honourable mention) of the NRL. Whilst the rest of the idiots go out buying players on reputation for tens of millions Wenger scouts the vast lands and makes his own judgments of player talent and buys them on the cheap.

Perceptions on playing talent invariably depend for a lot of people on success and failure. Failure equates to deficiency of playing talent; success equates to sufficiency of playing talent. Dragons were a case in point. All the experts at the beginning of the Bennett era certainly didn’t predict their success and Nostradamus himself (Gus) said they were a work in progress. Scott, Soward and Weyman were talented but inconsistent; Hornby was a makeshift half at best etc. In the previous seasons they had lost Barrett, Gasnier, Bailey, Kite in amongst others. They turned it around because of a great structure, culture but mainly great coaching.

We’ve got a first year coach, a miniscule football budget and a spine of Gardner, Kelly, Graham and Townsend in the infancy of their first grade careers. Give Flanagan and the kids are few more years of development with an added cash injection and I reckon we could possibly be going very well in a couple of years time. We’re doing well to merely survive at the minute. Readjust your expectations.

Talk of boycotts and broken promises and all the other crocodile tears need some perspective. Our club is on death row with a need for a heart transplant with time ticking. To do anything other than to be at her side is cowardly. I’ll certainly be making a better effort in the future to fork out for membership, merchandise and hopefully getting to more games. Let’s see her through people.

P.S. On the crap signings point: look what Lang got out of Stuart, McNicholas, Stanley, Campbell, Donato, Daylight, Mostyn, Mellor etc. He was able to nurture them to the best of their ability. Same thing can happen again.

 

[SF]

Ha I can't belive losing Norrie, Seymour and Scott are 3 of the top 5 reasons why the Sharks have struggled over the last few years!