Official Teig Wilton

[Wiz]

Only him, his manager, Fitz and Mooney and his immediate family. No one else.

I’m sure a few other people know

You act like secrets in league are sacred ..

 

[Wiz]

Whatever he is on now + prob another 25-35% (his best is yet to come and not alot of options on the market)

Wiltons previous contract was done under John Morris and before he had played NRL if I'm not mistaken so it makes sense he would see a sizable increase in value and a contract to match.

If Nikora is on an alleged $600k per year then I reckon Tieg will be on a ballpark $450k-$500k per year deal

Teig on 400-450 is peanuts…

Would say 600 seems more likely

 

[Sir Chadley]

I’m sure a few other people know

You act like secrets in league are sacred ..

Not sure how you know others know.

Not saying it’s sacred, I’m saying it’s all guesswork.

I honestly don’t know why people all get caught up on what players earn. Mystifies me. I couldn’t care less. And if you’re worried about people cheating the cap….well, there’s smarter people than us working that out. And as we’ve seen in the past, they all get caught out in the end.

 

[Gards]

Teig on 400-450 is peanuts…

Would say 600 seems more likely

Yea look he may well be on the Nikora coin, that was for sure in my head that they just bumped him up to that level and matched it with their other young second row gun in Nikora. Wilton is a 80 minute player now and has a couple seasons of FG experience under his belt.

He doesn't deserve the same coin just yet though he is not at the Nikora level but I also realise contracts don't exist in a vacuum and that are many factors influencing the figure along with the timing and circumstances around when it is actually formalised. If players wanna compare notes between themselves and argue the point that's up to them

Nikora has a head start career wise on Teig but I don't recall the details of Britons original contract as he came into NRL i.e. was it more or less than Teigs original deal or at parity. The cap has moved around a bit over the years as well.

Anyways when Tieg's new contract is up Nikora will be up for a new one at the same time

Not sure how you know others know.

Not saying it’s sacred, I’m saying it’s all guesswork.

I honestly don’t know why people all get caught up on what players earn. Mystifies me. I couldn’t care less. And if you’re worried about people cheating the cap….well, there’s smarter people than us working that out. And as we’ve seen in the past, they all get caught out in the end.

It's not so much the $ figure but what that dollar figure represents relative to other players at the club and players in the same position at other clubs and/or similar level of development.

It's not really about the cap, we don't have enough info to determine total club spend on every deal and us knowing makes no difference anyway as it's up to the NRL to sign off and investigate discrepancies if they arise.

But as fans we like to understand what sort of rough cut % a player is taking up of our cap relative to their performance so we can ascertain the value we get from that player. A player on big coin will usually be judged harsher and have higher expectations around them week to week.

On the other hand a squad filler type player that can come in when required and play a few different roles and do a decent job is handy to have on the books when they are only costing you $200k or whatever and you don't expect the world from them. If they are being paid $500k or something though you are thinking wtf that's terrible value we need to move them on or lift their game big time.

Moylan soaked up $800k or whatever per year when he was watching from the stands, as fans we understand how badly that disadvantaged our squad regardless of what we thought of Moylan as a player. And frankly it insulted some of us that he was taking home that kind of bank while not giving 100% to us but it was more about the impact it has on our cap.

We also like to understand the balance of our squad and where the funds are being spread - forwards, spine, backs, depth ect. Sometimes this gives us some insight into the style or plans the coach has around a team although ofcourse it can also just be matter of getting who you can get but it does help show areas where a club could do better to balance things out and invest in weak points.

I think it also gives is an avenue to access our clubs recruitment and retention performance and desirability. Anyone could throw $1mil at Nikora if they wanted him bad enough and even if it were a desperate cellar dwelling club he would probably take it.

But he stayed at the Sharks for a figure reportedly less than what the Tigers for instance were throwing around and that the Sharks figure of $600k which seems reasonably sensible (considering his form) tells me the culture at our club is in a good place (it's not just a retirement village for paychecks), we have good people in place, players wanna come and stay here, front office has it together ect.

Nicho is the only player in our squad I can think of on an epic big money long term deal.

Some teams are a mess cause they have a number of player on ridiculous big contracts. it can help explain why the rest of their squad is so pox.

 

[Wiz]

Yea look he may well be on the Nikora coin, that was for sure in my head that they just bumped him up to that level and matched it with their other young second row gun in Nikora. Wilton is a 80 minute player now and has a couple seasons of FG experience under his belt.

He doesn't deserve the same coin just yet though he is not at the Nikora level but I also realise contracts don't exist in a vacuum and that are many factors influencing the figure along with the timing and circumstances around when it is actually formalised. If players wanna compare notes between themselves and argue the point that's up to them

Nikora has a head start career wise on Teig but I don't recall the details of Britons original contract as he came into NRL i.e. was it more or less than Teigs original deal or at parity. The cap has moved around a bit over the years as well.

Anyways when Tieg's new contract is up Nikora will be up for a new one at the same time



It's not so much the $ figure but what that dollar figure represents relative to other players at the club and players in the same position at other clubs and/or similar level of development.

It's not really about the cap, we don't have enough info to determine total club spend on every deal and us knowing makes no difference anyway as it's up to the NRL to sign off and investigate discrepancies if they arise.

But as fans we like to understand what sort of rough cut % a player is taking up of our cap relative to their performance so we can ascertain the value we get from that player. A player on big coin will usually be judged harsher and have higher expectations around them week to week.

On the other hand a squad filler type player that can come in when required and play a few different roles and do a decent job is handy to have on the books when they are only costing you $200k or whatever and you don't expect the world from them. If they are being paid $500k or something though you are thinking wtf that's terrible value we need to move them on or lift their game big time.

Moylan soaked up $800k or whatever per year when he was watching from the stands, as fans we understand how badly that disadvantaged our squad regardless of what we thought of Moylan as a player. And frankly it insulted some of us that he was taking home that kind of bank while not giving 100% to us but it was more about the impact it has on our cap.

We also like to understand the balance of our squad and where the funds are being spread - forwards, spine, backs, depth ect. Sometimes this gives us some insight into the style or plans the coach has around a team although ofcourse it can also just be matter of getting who you can get but it does help show areas where a club could do better to balance things out and invest in weak points.

I think it also gives is an avenue to access our clubs recruitment and retention performance and desirability. Anyone could throw $1mil at Nikora if they wanted him bad enough and even if it were a desperate cellar dwelling club he would probably take it.

But he stayed at the Sharks for a figure reportedly less than what the Tigers for instance were throwing around and that the Sharks figure of $600k which seems reasonably sensible (considering his form) tells me the culture at our club is in a good place (it's not just a retirement village for paychecks), we have good people in place, players wanna come and stay here, front office has it together ect.

Nicho is the only player in our squad I can think of on an epic big money long term deal.

Some teams are a mess cause they have a number of player on ridiculous big contracts. it can help explain why the rest of their squad is so pox.

Yep

Not really caring about what your players are taking up is a strange take… your perspective would be all over the place

 

[Sir Chadley]

Yea look he may well be on the Nikora coin, that was for sure in my head that they just bumped him up to that level and matched it with their other young second row gun in Nikora. Wilton is a 80 minute player now and has a couple seasons of FG experience under his belt.

He doesn't deserve the same coin just yet though he is not at the Nikora level but I also realise contracts don't exist in a vacuum and that are many factors influencing the figure along with the timing and circumstances around when it is actually formalised. If players wanna compare notes between themselves and argue the point that's up to them

Nikora has a head start career wise on Teig but I don't recall the details of Britons original contract as he came into NRL i.e. was it more or less than Teigs original deal or at parity. The cap has moved around a bit over the years as well.

Anyways when Tieg's new contract is up Nikora will be up for a new one at the same time



It's not so much the $ figure but what that dollar figure represents relative to other players at the club and players in the same position at other clubs and/or similar level of development.

It's not really about the cap, we don't have enough info to determine total club spend on every deal and us knowing makes no difference anyway as it's up to the NRL to sign off and investigate discrepancies if they arise.

But as fans we like to understand what sort of rough cut % a player is taking up of our cap relative to their performance so we can ascertain the value we get from that player. A player on big coin will usually be judged harsher and have higher expectations around them week to week.

On the other hand a squad filler type player that can come in when required and play a few different roles and do a decent job is handy to have on the books when they are only costing you $200k or whatever and you don't expect the world from them. If they are being paid $500k or something though you are thinking wtf that's terrible value we need to move them on or lift their game big time.

Moylan soaked up $800k or whatever per year when he was watching from the stands, as fans we understand how badly that disadvantaged our squad regardless of what we thought of Moylan as a player. And frankly it insulted some of us that he was taking home that kind of bank while not giving 100% to us but it was more about the impact it has on our cap.

We also like to understand the balance of our squad and where the funds are being spread - forwards, spine, backs, depth ect. Sometimes this gives us some insight into the style or plans the coach has around a team although ofcourse it can also just be matter of getting who you can get but it does help show areas where a club could do better to balance things out and invest in weak points.

I think it also gives is an avenue to access our clubs recruitment and retention performance and desirability. Anyone could throw $1mil at Nikora if they wanted him bad enough and even if it were a desperate cellar dwelling club he would probably take it.

But he stayed at the Sharks for a figure reportedly less than what the Tigers for instance were throwing around and that the Sharks figure of $600k which seems reasonably sensible (considering his form) tells me the culture at our club is in a good place (it's not just a retirement village for paychecks), we have good people in place, players wanna come and stay here, front office has it together ect.

Nicho is the only player in our squad I can think of on an epic big money long term deal.

Some teams are a mess cause they have a number of player on ridiculous big contracts. it can help explain why the rest of their squad is so pox.

Thanks for the summation Gards, really appreciate that. I guess I do know all of that but perhaps I'm just too lazy to worry about it. I prefer more to concentrate on how the team is going and individual performances without worrying about what they earn. Just gets a bit too complicated for me sometimes. Thanks for taking the time to give us all your point of view!

 

[Sir Chadley]

Yep

Not really caring about what your players are taking up is a strange take… your perspective would be all over the place

I don't think it is a strange take at all Wiz, I would be surprised if your average footy supporter knows all the ins and outs like we do in regards to payments and salary cap. It is the same as other arguments, to each his own. Just because someone does the opposite to what you think it should be doesn't make it wrong.

 

[egg]

I don't think it is a strange take at all Wiz, I would be surprised if your average footy supporter knows all the ins and outs like we do in regards to payments and salary cap. It is the same as other arguments, to each his own. Just because someone does the opposite to what you think it should be doesn't make it wrong.

You're Wrong





I"m 100% JOKING Mate .
Couldn't help myself.
You are correct and I'm heading back into the box AGAIN

 

[bort]

One of our best? No
But a good showing and no errors
Got the context situation of his back now and can get back on track

 

[Milkshark]

That lazy arm grab I would say is an error

 

[snowman]

that attempt on sloan was ****ing disgusting

 

[Sir Chadley]

One of our best? No
But a good showing and no errors
Got the context situation of his back now and can get back on track

That lazy arm grab I would say is an error

that attempt on sloan was ****ing disgusting

I didn't see the plethora of Sharks players that missed all of those tackles, I was too far away, but it was disgusting for sure. If Wilton did arm grab then that is very disappointing and definitely an error. Not sure how @bort can say he made no errors - probably meant no handling errors.

 

[snowman]

I didn't see the plethora of Sharks players that missed all of those tackles, I was too far away, but it was disgusting for sure. If Wilton did arm grab then that is very disappointing and definitely an error. Not sure how @bort can say he made no errors - probably meant no handling errors.

a missed tackle isnt an erros

 

[Sir Chadley]

a missed tackle isnt an erros

It's not? Well, it's a missed tackle then.

 

[bort]

True the tackle attempt was very poor. Defence is definitely a valid criticism of him.
We’ve also been critical of his handling and in this area he was fine last night

 

[HaroldBishop]

True the tackle attempt was very poor. Defence is definitely a valid criticism of him.
We’ve also been critical of his handling and in this area he was fine last night

Moylan's passes were much better to him last night, no hospital passes.

 

[bort]

Moylan's passes were much better to him last night, no hospital passes.

I’m sure he’s dropped passes from more than just Moylan but yeah those crash play hospital balls certainly don’t make his handling error count easy

 

[Hughesy215]

He showed twice last night a tendency to "switch off"

There was the Sloan tackle where he just assumed the tackle was complete and turned off.

The other one was the kick which their winger caught in the field of play. He assumed it was a 20m restart and didn't try tackle him. He got lucky that Talakai monstered the poor dude and we got the repeat set.

 

[sharks2010]

Struggling to think the last time we had such a good left side second rower

 

[MrDravid]

Moylan's passes were much better to him last night, no hospital passes.

There was at least one crash play ball from Hynes that he held, that he could have easily dropped.