Sharks v Dragons. Round 2, Thu 15 Mar 2018 Kickoff – 7:50pm, Southern Cross Group Stadium

[squiddy]

From what I recall our first half in both rnd 1 and rnd 2 involved us pushing up through the line in defense but our second half's in those same games we were sitting back only with a sole aggressive defender rushing out of the line to put a hit on

it's not a coincidence

Fitness

 

[ragin]

We had all the ball for first 30 mins and we seemed to be the one to fatigue later in the first half. Bakuya who was our best in the opening 30, was puffing and dropped off 2 tackles that lead to their first try... one tackle was one on one with latimores hit and spin.
Perhaps the round one trip to Townsville took some out of them.
Either way I reckon flannos sub selections were poor. Fifita on too long. Bakuya should of been subbed for capewell in the first half

 

[Born&bred]

Fitness

I've been starting to wonder about that myself.

 

[Gards]

Flanno needs to import some better sand dunes for pre-season

Also Capewell was good when he came on but had little minutes

 

[BurgoShark]

The Dragons got 2 arsey tries off kicks and one from a soft miss from Leutele... had two tries go begging in the last 20 minutes ... and in the final 45 minutes of footy we got multiple errors from five players. There was nothing wrong with our back rowers, or with Chad, or with our bench rotation. If those five blokes don't have a shocker in the final 45 minutes the Sharks win that game. The other 12 blokes were fine.

From the 35th minute ...
Gray, Dugan, Fifita, Moylan and Holmes: 11 mistakes balls and 3 penalties
The other 12 Sharks players combined: 3 mistakes and 4 penalties (including Prior's tackle on full time which had no impact on the game)

 

[Milkshark]

What about Chads horrible last tackle kicks?

Did you include Dugan dropping the ball over the line with 3 or 4 defenders on him?

 

[BurgoShark]

What about Chads horrible last tackle kicks?

I don't remember more than one bad one. I'll watch the replay and stand corrected if Chad's kicking game was poor. I remember more than one good one. Either way, we hardly even had a kick in the second half because we dropped it nearly every set; a poor kicking game didn't have as much as impact as blokes dropping the ball or giving up soft penalties.

Did you include Dugan dropping the ball over the line with 3 or 4 defenders on him?

Lol - watch the replay - there was one defender tackling him with Nightingale barely getting a hand on him. You are defending his performance based on that? What doesn't show up in there is the terrible dropout he had which should have been a Dragons penalty but they stuffed up, or the awful miss on the Frizzel try, or the lack of urgency to get across to stop the Aitken try (he stopped 3m away and assumed Leutele had him covered). If we are going to endure 22 pages of complaints about Val's positioning and defensive play we should be holding Dugan to the same standard. Ditto for Moylan dropping the kickoff. Yes - Dugan was probably our best player in the first half - but easily one of our worst in the second.

As far as the interchange rotation goes, Flano sent on two fresh blokes when the Dragons had 12 players. That *should* have made a difference but they decided to play without the ball for the next 10 minutes.

 

[Milkshark]

I don't remember more than one bad one. I'll watch the replay and stand corrected if Chad's kicking game was poor. I remember more than one good one. Either way, we hardly even had a kick in the second half because we dropped it nearly every set; a poor kicking game didn't have as much as impact as blokes dropping the ball or giving up soft penalties.


Lol - watch the replay - there was one defender tackling him with Nightingale barely getting a hand on him. You are defending his performance based on that? What doesn't show up in there is the terrible dropout he had which should have been a Dragons penalty but they stuffed up, or the awful miss on the Frizzel try, or the lack of urgency to get across to stop the Aitken try (he stopped 3m away and assumed Leutele had him covered). If we are going to endure 22 pages of complaints about Val's positioning and defensive play we should be holding Dugan to the same standard. Ditto for Moylan dropping the kickoff. Yes - Dugan was probably our best player in the first half - but easily one of our worst in the second.

I remember quite a few bad kicks from him, it was commented by others also.

I stand corrected, there were 2 players on Dugan. What drop out? I missed it maybe? I saw the one he kicked out and we got the feed. Was there another?
The ''miss'' on Frizell is hardly his fault, wow and I fault I was a critical marker. I can't believe you think he should have got Frizell. I'm amazed at that, truly amazed. I reckon you're being tough on him for the Aitken try also. Leutele had a 1 on 1 tackle to make and he couldn't make it, average if you ask me. Not Dugans fault. If it were Holmes there instead of Dugan and he did the same I'd not be blaming him. I don't rate Holmes at fullback but I can distinguish when he does things wrong and when he doesn't.

 

[Sir Chadley]

I wouldn't be questioning Leutele's 1 on 1 tackles. He made the one that counted in the Grand Final.

 

[Milkshark]

I wouldn't be questioning Leutele's 1 on 1 tackles. He made the one that counted in the Grand Final.

Yep defensively he is sound, but the one on Aitken was pretty bad.

 

[BurgoShark]

I remember quite a few bad kicks from him, it was commented by others also.

I stand corrected, there were 2 players on Dugan. What drop out? I missed it maybe? I saw the one he kicked out and we got the feed. Was there another?
The ''miss'' on Frizell is hardly his fault, wow and I fault I was a critical marker. I can't believe you think he should have got Frizell. I'm amazed at that, truly amazed. I reckon you're being tough on him for the Aitken try also. Leutele had a 1 on 1 tackle to make and he couldn't make it, average if you ask me. Not Dugans fault. If it were Holmes there instead of Dugan and he did the same I'd not be blaming him. I don't rate Holmes at fullback but I can distinguish when he does things wrong and when he doesn't.

Just re-watched the final 35 minutes. Townsend kicked the ball exactly once: the short bomb which Capewell caught and offloaded to Moylan.

Leutele is 90% to blame for the Aitken try. It was a bad miss - but a bit more urgency from either Moylan or Dugan *might* have made a difference. I don't think it was Dugan's fault, but I do think that if it was Val that his positioning would have been criticised. Dugan could have done better there IMO.

People were criticising Val for not being able to hold up Coen Hess 1 on 1 once he was already over the line and two other blokes had missed him; the tackle on Frizzel by Dugan was more make-able that that.

... and yes .. I was referring to the drop out where we got the feed. Flano was going off his nut. It was a **** kick by anyone's standard. The Dragons stuffing up is just lucky. It was still a **** kick.


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Anyway, my original point here is that in the second half you had five blokes who made the bulk of the errors, plus one blokes (Ricky) who let in a soft try. Blaming the other 11 blokes or the coaching strategy is hardly productive.

 

[Gards]

I havn't analysed the Dugan miss on Frizell with the benefit of countless replays or camera angles but what I do recall is the ball took a quick and wicked deflection off a player after Hunt mis kicked it

Might have wrong footed Duges and caught him a bit out of position which would be understandable but I would have to watch it again

Throw in the brick ****house which is Frizell picking up the ball then running at the line with some pace and room to maneuver. Massive aww **** moment for any FB ha ha

 

[BurgoShark]

I havn't analysed the Dugan miss on Frizell with the benefit of countless replays or camera angles but what I do recall is the ball took a quick and wicked deflection off a player after Hunt mis kicked it

Might have wrong footed Duges and caught him a bit out of position which would be understandable but I would have to watch it again

Throw in the brick ****house which is Frizell picking up the ball then running at the line with some pace and room to maneuver.

Yes - he was wrong footed. It still could and should have been made.

 

[Milkshark]

I havn't analysed the Dugan miss on Frizell with the benefit of countless replays or camera angles but what I do recall is the ball took a quick and wicked deflection off a player after Hunt mis kicked it

Might have wrong footed Duges and caught him a bit out of position which would be understandable but I would have to watch it again

Throw in the brick ****house which is Frizell picking up the ball then running at the line with some pace and room to maneuver.

Yeah have a look at it. Frizell took the ball with speed much to everyone on the fields surprise so Dugan was travelling in the opposite direction to Frizell who put a big step on and completely off footed Dugan. I don't think any fullback in the game would have made that tackle. Not even king Billy.

 

[Milkshark]

Yes - he was wrong footed. It still could and should have been made.

I disagree but that's cool. Everyone has their own opinion.

 

[HaroldBishop]

I disagree but that's cool. Everyone has their own opinion.

I don't have an issue with Dugan missing that tackle. What I do have an issue with is people like you would bag the **** out of Val if he missed it.

 

[Milkshark]

It was a **** kick by anyone's standard. The Dragons stuffing up is just lucky. It was still a **** kick. Anyway, my original point here is that in the second half you had five blokes who made the bulk of the errors, plus one blokes (Ricky) who let in a soft try. Blaming the other 11 blokes or the coaching strategy is hardly productive.

Ah yeah ok, I agree he totally got away with it and is very lucky.

I'm not saying Dugan and Moylan didn't stuff up, they did. But they looked promising when they had the ball and were in the game and having a crack. I'm not bashing on Holmes in this example but purely as an example, Holmes, had he been playing fullback in that game, would have gone missing. Dugan injected himself in the game trying to make something happen, and so he should. Holmes doesn't do that, he brings the ball back for us but ever so rarely would you see him get involved anywhere else.

And Moylan in my eyes looked not that bad for being in a new team in a new position. I really think he can turn into a great 5/8 if we give him the space and and remove any structure we have asked of him in his game.

 

[Milkshark]

I don't have an issue with Dugan missing that tackle. What I do have an issue with is people like you would bag the **** out of Val if he missed it.

Hand on heart, I wouldn't have expected Val or any fullback in that game to make that tackle. The absolute best I think anyone could have managed was a an ankle tap, and even then I think that's alot to ask. Yes i'm critical of Val but I wouldn't have expected him to make that, no way.

 

[HaroldBishop]

Hand on heart, I wouldn't have expected Val or any fullback in that game to make that tackle. The absolute best I think anyone could have managed was a an ankle tap, and even then I think that's alot to ask. Yes i'm critical of Val but I wouldn't have expected him to make that, no way.

Fair enough mate.

 

[Wiz]

I don't have an issue with Dugan missing that tackle. What I do have an issue with is people like you would bag the **** out of Val if he missed it.

Just because he doesn't rate Val at fb doesn't mean he would blame Val for not making that tackle.. I'm sure he's not that stupid because at the end of the day Val @ wing prevailed anyway ...But sure go ahead and insult his intelligence just sounds like sour grapes