Shane Flanagan

[egg]

Today
SOURCE : Fox
https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...d/news-story/15679cc9ad9cd3b003f0f2ca4037fabc

 

[bort]

“For John, it is unfair. He’s got a year to prove himself and he will get another contract. there’s been no contact with the Sharks, I see a lot of those people around the traps. They’re behind John and so are the players.”

With at least what he is saying publicly doesn't sound like he thinks he's well positioned to pick up back at Sharks.
Presumably if that is the case either he knows the board wouldn't have it or the board knows he wouldn't...

 

[HaroldBishop]

With at least what he is saying publicly doesn't sound like he thinks he's well positioned to pick up back at Sharks.
Presumably if that is the case either he knows the board wouldn't have it or the board knows he wouldn't...

Wish Flanno would clarify if he's coached a premiership winning team before, I can't remember.

 

[bort]

Wish Flanno would clarify if he's coached a premiership winning team before, I can't remember.

Pretty sure the true quote was..

“For non-Premiership winning coach John, it is unfair. He’s got a year to prove himself and he will get another contract. there’s been no contact from Premiership winning coach Shane Flanagan with the Sharks, I, Premiership winning coach Shane Flanagan, see a lot of those people around the traps. They’re behind non-Premiership winning coach John and so are the players.”

but they edited it down

 

[Cage]

I was an advocate for Bomber once he was announced as Flanno's replacement and nothing over the past 2 seasons has changed my mind yet.

He has taken a salary cap restrained side to finals both years with PLENTY of "limiting" distractions (ie long term injuries to key players and "that" indefinite suspension).

He has debuted a lot of great young talent as well as improved our fringe players games with some now becoming "must keeps".

He has a great rapport with the "future" already at the club and has recently shown he can attract some good talent to improve areas we are struggling in and not scared to make some hard calls.

I hope the board hasn't already made their decision not to extend him and give him a fair and reasonable crack (based on SJ being missing) with "his squad" before being thrown under the bus if we start very poorly and if they dont decide to extend, that they don't go with a newbie.

My sentiments exactly. Repped!

 

[Gards]

The two things that would go against Bomber will be his win/loss ratio and perceived ability to handle the retention/recruitment that's coming for 2022. He's shown a real abtitude, and has arguably the brains behind our best past recruitment already on board, but the dollars we're talking about are pretty huge. I wouldn't blame the board for thinking an older head might be less of a risk.

Having said that, I think Bomber has got what it takes to do well through both. And hope he does.

Bombers win/loss ratio (48%) is inferior only to Lang & Flanno of Sharks coaches in the last 20 years and it took Flanno a few seasons to start winning as many as he lost but obviously we would like to get bombers ratio into the low/mid 50% range to finish higher than 8th.

60% is super coach territory. I get that when looking at stats like this we need to consider the relatively small sample size of just 2 seasons of coaching but it's a pretty solid or even good start to his coaching career. By no means a disaster, could have been really bad.

If he applies the lessons he is learning along the way and the players put in for him that ratio is going to keep growing in a positive direction.

Griffin coming in and losing McInnes but gaining McCullough should be a lesson in what can happen when you bring in a new coach.
The best bit is teams typically do worse the first year under a new coach so sacking a bloke just to bring in whoever is available is about as dumb as you can get.

The implementation and execution of Hooks structures and game plans obviously requires the recruitment and retention of overpriced average players - he is building the team HE wants to play the style HE wants afterall

 

[bort]

The implementation and execution of Hooks structures and game plans obviously requires the recruitment and retention of overpriced average players - he is building the team HE wants to play the style HE wants afterall

Sure it seems like McCullough is a waste of cap space now, but by the time Hooks job is back on the line in a couple years think of what he will be able to do with the cap space that is coming up!
Tactical

 

[sharkboy18]

Honestly by everyone, would anyone be keen to take this guy back or has he had his time at Cronulla even if Bomber fails this year?

 

[sharkboy18]

Don't have a go at me but without a doubt I'd take him back if Bomber doesn't get a new contract, I'll understand a lot of other supporters wouldn't welcome him back though.

 

[Gumby]

I’d have him back but maybe as a recruiter/manager of the football department role

 

[bort]

I’d have him back but maybe as a recruiter/manager of the football department role

A proven strength of his?

 

[Western Sharkie]

My sentiments exactly. Repped!

:good:

I’d have him back but maybe as a recruiter/manager of the football department role

That's just a sexy way to say "a job for one of the lads".
As much as I'm grateful to Flanno for coaching our first Premiership team, I think we need to move on.
So if Bomber doesn't get an extension (which I'm still hoping he does), I think we need to look elsewhere and pass on Flanno.

And, NO. I'm not anti Flanno but my view is based on what I think would be best for the club going forward (just in case some are wondering). Not that my view has much (actually, any) weight anyway.

 

[Tiger Shark]

I’d have him back but maybe as a recruiter/manager of the football department role

We have Mooney we don’t need Flanno for that.

 

[HaroldBishop]

Unless the club sought this **** out soon it's probably going to be very destabilising.

All a bit average really.

 

[andrew's_sharks]

Personally I think we would be dumb to take him back. Even though I do like him it will make us look incompetent. Also I think Morris is doing fairly well under the circumstances and should be given a proper chance the next 3 years (yes 3 years) sacking coaches regularly is stupid and a recipe for failure.

 

[HaroldBishop]

Personally I think we would be dumb to take him back. Even though I do like him it will make us look incompetent. Also I think Morris is doing fairly well under the circumstances and should be given a proper chance the next 3 years (yes 3 years) sacking coaches regularly is stupid and a recipe for failure.

My preference is to keep JMo but there is no need to extend him for three years imo. Two is enough.

 

[egg]

My preference is to keep JMo but there is no need to extend him for three years imo. Two is enough.

I was 60/40 on wanting Flanno back as we know he's a man manager and gives the team a tough edge .Also enjoyed beers after a few games with him .
But after Irvine podcast I'm for Morris now.
Agree a 2 year offer would be GOOD.

 

[Capital_Shark]

Unless the club sought this **** out soon it's probably going to be very destabilising.

All a bit average really.

We gotta knock it on the head. We're letting the media feast on our indecisiveness & it is absolutely adding unnecessary pressure no matter how little it is, its there.

Re-sign Bomber or don't. Just remove all outside noise & pressure you can.

Anyone got a cert 4 in making a ****ing decision?

**** or get off the pot.

 

[Gards]

We gotta knock it on the head. We're letting the media feast on our indecisiveness & it is absolutely adding unnecessary pressure no matter how little it is, its there.

Re-sign Bomber or don't. Just remove all outside noise & pressure you can.

Anyone got a cert 4 in making a ****ing decision?

**** or get off the pot.

yes but on the other hand the club coming out and announcing or even telling coach and players privately that we won't be extending John Morris as head coach would bring it's own set of problems and destabilisation

at least as it stands the coach is highly motivated to do the absolute best he possibly can to earn an extension and the clubs options remain open in the interim

the media are gunna be on our case regardless of what we do or say

 

[Wiz]

We gotta knock it on the head. We're letting the media feast on our indecisiveness & it is absolutely adding unnecessary pressure no matter how little it is, its there.

Re-sign Bomber or don't. Just remove all outside noise & pressure you can.

Anyone got a cert 4 in making a ****ing decision?

**** or get off the pot.

Who cares what the media are doing.. clubs got to what’s in its best interest - why the rush to re sign Morris ? Between the last two seasons there wasnt much improvement at all and the attitude of the team let alone the defence hasn’t been great.

No problem with waiting and seeing how he can or if he can improve on those core weaknesses it’s not like he will be snapped by another club can’t see the need to rush anything