Round 9 2015 Cronulla Sutherland Sharks vs NZ Warriors, Saturday 9th May, 5.30pm @ Remondis

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Can someone tell me what's stopping Bird getting more ball himself?

If he had a different name/wasn't the flavour of the month then he would be getting criticised for not getting himself involved enough.

He's a kid in a team of ancients - what's stopping him getting more more ball is the "legends" around him.

What does his name have to do with it? Serious question
 

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He's a kid in a team of ancients - what's stopping him getting more more ball is the "legends" around him.

What does his name have to do with it? Serious question

Nothing more to it than what I wrote really - I think if he wasn't the flavour of the month then he would probably be criticised for not getting himself involved enough, rather than others being blamed for not getting him enough ball. Similar to some of the criticisms of Barba.

I could be wrong. Robbo has a responsibility to bring others into the game. I just don't really see that Bird getting overcalled, I more just see him not knowing when to get himself involved. Which is understandable, he's only starting out. But its not necessarily others' fault.

There was one occasion against Penrith where Robbo Robbo'ed all over the play and murdered an overlap rather than passing to Bird. But usually its Ennis making the call and he's pretty much our best decision-maker. Bird is the first receiver on the right side of the ruck so if he wants it he needs to demand it.

I just see forum posters being angry at the same people - Robbo, Flano, the oldies etc - for things they're not necessarily to blame for. IMO of course.
 

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Looking at the replay why the hell didn't Ennis drill that kick into touch. Instead he signalled to gramps to put the bomb up and we know what happened from there.
 
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The only thing saving our ass at the moment is how close the ladder is we are 14th if we would have won by 5 points on sat we would be in 8th... Sadly while we are still in the hunt and not getting smashed I can't see to many changes to key positions
 

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At the end of the day, that is just a soul destroying loss.

As many have said, after Fifita scored that try and Holmes converted, I was far more stressed about the prospect of losing the game than I was when we were behind by four with five minutes to go.
When Johnson scored that try, all I could do was laugh. You almost knew it was going to happen.

I haven't done the sums but I think we have lost more games in the final five minutes in the last few years than all the rest of the comp put together. Why? I don't think there is one particular reason, it seems like just bad luck.

We have had bad refereeing decisions, bad decision making and some freakishly bad luck.

We played well enough to win that game. We were down on troops but we got in and did the hard work. Our completion rate was acceptable and our defence, overall, was good. The Warriors were throwing the ball around and offloading all over the place, as they do, and we held them to three tries. Until the last two minutes...

When they tried the short kick off and we won possession, the game was all over - barring another Wade Graham brain explosion 20 metre cut-out pass interception, right?

Wrong. Robson finds another way to lose by kicking the ball straight at the chest of a charging Warriors player and, of course, we have no fullback back in defence. Shaun Johnson does the rest.

Like Graham lost the Titans game, one person lost that game - Robson.

Regardless of who misses tackles on Johnson, who dropped the ball or who gave away too many penalties earlier in the game, the fact is, we were winning with under two minutes to go and the ball in hand. We had done enough to win.

We just didn't.
 

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Off the top of my head these are the heartbreakers we have had in the past few years

Saturday Night V warriors
This year V Gold Coast
Cowboys Golden Point last year
Storm game a year or so ago- two tries in last few minutes
Penrith game at home -Walsh Feild Goal
Manly scoring a length of feild try last play at Shark park-Oldfield pehaps??
Can remember Manly beating us with a last minute try when we only had 12 at Brooky
Marshall Field goal first game of year a few seasons back
Souths also scored on last play a few years back -Think it was last game of year

Im sure there are others. For a side who likes the Grind we sure can lose a tight game!!
 

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In fairness to the balance of equality.

Now list how many games we have won in the last few minutes or seconds?

Only 1 game really stands out for me and that's Fifita v St George.
 

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In fairness to the balance of equality.

Now list how many games we have won in the last few minutes or seconds?

Only 1 game really stands out for me and that's Fifita v St George.
Agree that we have won some close games but we really do seem to be behind on balance. Do we actually have a plan for these scenarios or do we just make it up?
 

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It speaks to me of a team that rarely plays or asserts itself with any belief or confidence. Being in a position to win a game these players can hardly believe it because in their mind they came into the game not having a vision on how they are actually going to win the game.

They **** themsleves, have a brain fart, and then get to fulfill their preconceived expectation and belief of losing.
It happens so often it cannot be put down to bad luck, there is an intrinsic negativity inherit in this team for the best part of 10 years

We can't just simply change this culture at a whim, we need to build and develop towards it but there appears to be little progress or even a start

Ennis, Bird & Holmes are doing their best not to get sucked down into it but even immense talents like these are not immune
At this stage they are probably the only players running out there not feeling sorry for themselves
 

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It speaks to me of a team that rarely plays or asserts itself with any belief or confidence. Being in a position to win a game these players can hardly believe it because in their mind they came into the game not having a vision on how they are actually going to win the game.

They **** themsleves, have a brain fart, and then get to fulfill their preconceived expectation and belief of losing.
It happens so often it cannot be put down to bad luck, there is an intrinsic negativity inherit in this team for the best part of 10 years

We can't just simply change this culture at a whim, we need to build and develop towards it but there appears to be little progress or even a start

Ennis, Bird & Holmes are doing their best not to get sucked down into it but even immense talents like these are not immune
At this stage they are probably the only players running out there not feeling sorry for themselves

Agree, and the The solution in a nutshell is to keep replacing the balance of the team with "Winners" and those with good attitude, hopefully many of the successful two young teams, come on fast. Heinos won a cup hasn't he, I would be keeping him on, maybe Toups too for one more year..Gal one year, and everyone else not contracted after 15, is playing for a contract next year.
 

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At the end of the day, that is just a soul destroying loss.

As many have said, after Fifita scored that try and Holmes converted, I was far more stressed about the prospect of losing the game than I was when we were behind by four with five minutes to go.
When Johnson scored that try, all I could do was laugh. You almost knew it was going to happen.

I haven't done the sums but I think we have lost more games in the final five minutes in the last few years than all the rest of the comp put together. Why? I don't think there is one particular reason, it seems like just bad luck.

We have had bad refereeing decisions, bad decision making and some freakishly bad luck.

We played well enough to win that game. We were down on troops but we got in and did the hard work. Our completion rate was acceptable and our defence, overall, was good. The Warriors were throwing the ball around and offloading all over the place, as they do, and we held them to three tries. Until the last two minutes...

When they tried the short kick off and we won possession, the game was all over - barring another Wade Graham brain explosion 20 metre cut-out pass interception, right?

Wrong. Robson finds another way to lose by kicking the ball straight at the chest of a charging Warriors player and, of course, we have no fullback back in defence. Shaun Johnson does the rest.

Like Graham lost the Titans game, one person lost that game - Robson.

Regardless of who misses tackles on Johnson, who dropped the ball or who gave away too many penalties earlier in the game, the fact is, we were winning with under two minutes to go and the ball in hand. We had done enough to win.

We just didn't.

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Even the folks over at Fox/NRL cut out the Robson charge down from the highlights video, so disgusted were they with it
 

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Can someone tell me what's stopping Bird getting more ball himself?

If he had a different name/wasn't the flavour of the month then he would be getting criticised for not getting himself involved enough.
You're right but he's still very young in a team with a lot of old heads.
 

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Watched the game again and at 69:30min Hurrell is running it out from there line and does exactly the same leading knee move on Robson That broke Toups jaw. No penalty, in fact they get one. He's dangerous with that style, someone has to sort it out.
 

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Robson could swim through a pool of acid filled with piranhas and come out unscaved

But our best players sneeze and pull a hammy
 
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I havent seen any replay from a side on angle, but was Hoffman even onside to charge down that kick? Did get to robbo very quick
 

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ha, the refs hardly ever make a call on offside unless an actual tackle is made. It's let go all the time so wouldn't be surprised either way but Robson took his time with that ball like he was laying a turd covered golden egg
 
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