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andrew's_sharks

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I dunno if I'd go that far....

Even if Talakai, Williams and Hunt all ahead of Tolman (which they may or may not be come end of preseason*) for middle depth that still moves him to approx spot 8 of 5-7 available each week.
Doesn't take much to get him a game. Much deeper, like behind Wilton as a middle, or Fifita, and I agree we are starting to go a bit far down the chart. But at spot 8 Tolman a good shot of getting a run Origin time when Dale, McInnes and Graham are all out playing for the Blues.

Last season Fifita was approx spot 8 and got 6 games and maybe would have got as couple more, but between Graham, Hunt and Talakai we definitely were stretched in the forwards last year at times.

*I hope they all are
I also think it depends on what Fitzy wants to do with the middles. He may want to rotate the bench a bit and give some players more minutes in NSW cup or he may want tolman in the side to further steel our defence. Tolman is what he is an honest toiler and I have no issue with him being in the side if he is best for the game plan or not being in it.
 

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I also think it depends on what Fitzy wants to do with the middles. He may want to rotate the bench a bit and give some players more minutes in NSW cup or he may want tolman in the side to further steel our defence. Tolman is what he is an honest toiler and I have no issue with him being in the side if he is best for the game plan or not being in it.
Yeah he contrasts a lot from the others I mentioned - Hunt, Talakai, Williams, Tolman all bring different degrees of impact vs capacity and threat vs reliability. It is definitely possible Tolman fitz Fitz better than some of those others.

I like the greater threat the other three all pose so am inclined to prefer them to Tolman but I was happy about Tolman's signature and it wouldn't blow my mind if Fitz just wanted the toiler out there.

From a defense/workload perspective Tolman and Williams probably a more like replacement for Finucane to try and keep a more similar player on the park.
There are loads of combination options that could work, even something like the following isn't outrageous

8 Finucane 9 McInnes 10 Tolman 13 Rudolf
14 Brailey 15 BHU 16/17 Williams/Talakai/Hunt
 

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I also think it depends on what Fitzy wants to do with the middles. He may want to rotate the bench a bit and give some players more minutes in NSW cup or he may want tolman in the side to further steel our defence. Tolman is what he is an honest toiler and I have no issue with him being in the side if he is best for the game plan or not being in it.
I reckon Mc Innes and Finucane will add plenty of steel. Tolman just not required for mine.
 

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I'd see it as a poor offseason if one of the younger guys couldn't get a start over Tolman.
 

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He did miss a few tackles last year.
Perhaps father time is catching up in a faster game .
Will turn 34 this year
 

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I think tolmans good cover to bring into the squad if/when finucane gets injured
 

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I'll go out on a limb and say Katoa is an even better finisher than Val.

Don't get me wrong, Val was definitely the better winger overall though, while with us anyway.

I've thought about this sometimes trying to compare Katoa to Val

Katoas hit rate of finishing of a movement is remarkable. He scores it so often and hardly ever bottles it or makes a mistake/wrong decision. Is more capable working in a narrow corridor as well IMO

Val was handed some trys on a plate in a superior squad. Katoa seems to have had to work harder for alot of his coming up with some very special finishes (Val was elite too though and scored many crackers with great put downs in the corner)

Vals defense was/is crap but he is quicker than Katoa and has more of a kicking game. Less tackle breaks than Katoa but on balance prob more of a line break threat around the ruck. Both can get smashed on kick returns or alternatively get some momentum for us, Val more likely to create an opportunity.

Vals passing game inconsistent but more developed but has had the benefit of playing in various positions in the spine.

Both can have some moments in the air but Val can be pretty dodgy under the high ball, Katoa not perfect either but seems safer and takes some absolute spekys at times. Katoa was shaky to begin with ball handling wise a few years back but these days I would say is less error prone than Val.

Who is the better bloke with a bigger heart? - no contest The Big S

Val was crucial to our success over a number of seasons and he worked brilliantly for us at the time (i don't think another winger would have contributed or performed in the same way as him for those seasons) but I don't really miss him these days and Katoa is the more consistent player while costing alot less

I'm already worried about Gards, the multi quote posts have fallen dramatically since the new site commenced.

pretty sure this was the reason for the new site

He did miss a few tackles last year.
Perhaps father time is catching up in a faster game .
Will turn 34 this year

Tolman made most of his tackles though, prob had the highest tackle % of our middle forwards.

I like Tolman, glad he part of our club and available for depth and he is a good bloke and honest hard working player but he is too slow now and provides little impact with the ball

Gal got old and slower too but still had the leg drive and upper body strength to make effective hit ups for us and gain metres, pop the odd pass/offload

If a younger more mobile forward can't out perform Tolman then yea they don't deserve a place in the 17. If Fitz wants consistency, durability and reliability Tolman might have the advantage over a green inexperienced forward
 

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Good Post Gards.
Yeah I'm happy Tolmans here ( hopefully VERY Cheap contract )
For his character, experience and an emergency prop back up .
BUT , hopefully there's not too many emergencies .
 

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Love the passion Gards, and if I were picking our round 1 team Katoa would be the first winger picked.

But he's half as good as Holmes was.
 

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Val was a game breaker and could win you a game on the back of a special moment or opportunity he created. He was also excellent at finishing off a try most of the time

but if a winger is given half a chance or less than half a chance to ice a try or score one that shouldn't be scored I reckon Katoa has it over him and those sort of efforts have kept us in games in the past

these days I just see Val spilling his lollies and avoiding the body contact and dirty jersey
 

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Katoas hit rate of finishing of a movement is remarkable. He scores it so often and hardly ever bottles it or makes a mistake/wrong decision. Is more capable working in a narrow corridor as well IMO
Shades of Jono Wright.
 

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Current Holmes is 1/4 as good as Holmes was!
Makes the loss easier he’s fallen apart and they are struggling to even find a spot for him.
Has still had the odd good game but you’re right, probably only like 25% as often.
 
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Katoa is better at getting it in the corner but Val could score from anywhere. No contest for mine.
 

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Makes the loss easier he’s fallen apart and they are struggling to even find a spot for him.
Has still had the odd good game but you’re right, probably only like 25% as often.
The whole cowboys line-up over the past few years smells. I think the coach has to answer for it to a degree, it's criminal the way some of those quality players have been used and performances we've seen
 

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Getting easier to pick now and will be almost obvious after this weekend barring suspensions or injuries. It's just annoying knowing we have to go through a trigger finger period with the policing of the rules like something out of a B grade prison movie. If you remember last year towards the back end of the season the rules relaxed again and we got to watcha few weeks of un-interrupted by over reactive officialdom games of footy.

With all that being said, here's my team

1. Kennedy
2. Katoa
3. Tracey
4. Ramien
5. Mulitalo
6. Moylan
7. Hynes
8. Finucan
9. Brailey
10. Rudolf
11. Nikora
12. Graham
13. McInnes

14. Williams
15. BHU
16. Talakai
17. Wilton

18. Fifita

Tolman, Hunt, Metcalf,
 

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With all that being said, here's my team

1. Kennedy
2. Katoa
3. Tracey
4. Ramien
5. Mulitalo
6. Moylan
7. Hynes
8. Finucan
9. Brailey
10. Rudolf
11. Nikora
12. Graham
13. McInnes

14. Williams
15. BHU
16. Talakai
17. Wilton
Yep, that's my team too. We've got enough versatility in the side to not need a utility on the bench.
 

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Getting easier to pick now and will be almost obvious after this weekend barring suspensions or injuries. It's just annoying knowing we have to go through a trigger finger period with the policing of the rules like something out of a B grade prison movie. If you remember last year towards the back end of the season the rules relaxed again and we got to watcha few weeks of un-interrupted by over reactive officialdom games of footy.

With all that being said, here's my team

1. Kennedy
2. Katoa
3. Tracey
4. Ramien
5. Mulitalo
6. Moylan
7. Hynes
8. Finucan
9. Brailey
10. Rudolf
11. Nikora
12. Graham
13. McInnes

14. Williams
15. BHU
16. Talakai
17. Wilton

18. Fifita

Tolman, Hunt, Metcalf,
That little bug tricked me haha
 
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