Most Overrated Players/Coaches in the NRL?

[sharkarm]

anyone in a roosters jersey



your kidding right?

the kid is all talent and would walk straight into our team, i want him in a sharks jersey so williams can go back to the backrow

hunt was offered 430 a season by broncos and turned it down, his manager is talking 600 k a season.

You cant tell me he is worth anywhere near that, therefore he is the most overated player in the nrl.

You guys are missing the point, yes Lawrence can score tries only because benji sets him up, his real problem is his pathetic reads in defence he has no idea therefore for every try he scores he concedes 2 tries in defence, for instance if inglis had played the other night the storm would have won comfortably, lawrence reminds me of colin best, oh yeh great try scorer but as a try line defender he is sadly lacking that positional play which makes him an expert at try line defence and therefore a team player !

Karl Falinga & Kite

Brent Kite is useless, i would rather have hitman as a starting front rower for NSW :birdno

 

[hitman124]

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet! Kitey I gotcha number!

 

[Shiredad]

have you not seen matt wright defend or last year, david simmons?, the whole tigers team has nfi how to defend for 9 games out of 10, if they dont win by 30 they usually lose by 30

who cares if he cant defend (judging by todays game, he can), the bloke scores tries and can do it from anywhere on the field (note back to game 1 v storm at leichardt, he ran 100 mtrs to secure the win for the tigers, 16 other blokes in the team that can defend for him

i want him in my team if he was on offer

16 other blokes to defend for him? 16? on the field at once? didn't the dogs get docked points for having 14 on the field?

 

[Mark^Bastard]

I was never a big fan of him, Never thought much of him. But of course all the Nswers on he will say I'm wrong. Could be my QLD blood, but anytime I see Andrew Johns team of the century halfback I die a lil on the inside. Alfie or Sterlo were robbed.

I do think a lot of the Andrew Johns story has been sort of built up off the field. He was a great player but he wasn't super man. If he was 100% players like Thurston and Prince (when they're in form) are in the 90 percentile.

It's not like Johns was some freak or anything.

 

[gosharks]

you are kidding, he was one of the main reasons the blues won 3 series in row prior to qld current winning streak. i think he was the main difference between the 2 sides when the blues were dominating

 

[dier]

you are kidding, he was one of the main reasons the blues won 3 series in row prior to qld current winning streak. i think he was the main difference between the 2 sides when the blues were dominating

Bedsy and Mini, Did more than him.

 

[Mark^Bastard]

So? Langer did the same for QLD. Joey is the best half back I've seen (I'm 26) but not by that much. He's not the Michael Jordan or Babe Ruth of Rugby League that's for sure.

 

[Ramzyv1]

you are kidding, he was one of the main reasons the blues won 3 series in row prior to qld current winning streak. i think he was the main difference between the 2 sides when the blues were dominating

I agree with you. Even guys like Sterlo who was great admit Johns was better, which is hard to say for a guy who is younger than you.

 

[slide rule]

The main difference between Johns and say, Sterling, Langer and Stuart is that Johns was a more ‘complete’ footballer.

They were probably all about equal in terms of kicking, passing and reading the game. However, Johns was also rock solid in defence and unbelievably strong for a halfback. He would often absolutely smash front rowers!

I'd say that it makes him a better player overall, but like everyone else he is human. Other halfbacks did play better than him from time to time. The guys mentioned above could outplay him in an attacking sense on their day.

 

[hitman124]

Didnt noddy even hold johns out of the origin side at times?

 

[ROB SHARK]

Didnt noddy even hold johns out of the origin side at times?

I think he might of.

 

[BurgoShark]

Andrew Johns played his whole career under a 10m rule.
Sterling, Mortimer, Langer, Lewis etc. played most or all of their career under a 5m rule.

Compared to these players, Johns had twice as much time and twice as much space to make the play.

 

[hitman124]

can you please elaborate? (im new to league)

Are you saying back in the 70s and 80s the defence only had to get back to 5?

 

[brad]

Andrew Johns played his whole career under a 10m rule.
Sterling, Mortimer, Langer, Lewis etc. played most or all of their career under a 5m rule.

Compared to these players, Johns had twice as much time and twice as much space to make the play.

thats why its so hard to compare players from different eras. rules changes, game speed etc. have changed immensely since the days of sterling and Mortimer that its near impossible to judge who the better players are

 

[peachey]

another contender for most overrated - JOHN MORRIS

sharkarm, we had a player in the centres last year that would concede tries every game because he had no idea, but at least lawrence can score tries unlike this other person

your making his defence out to worse then it is, watch a game and solely focus on lawrence

16 other blokes to defend for him? 16? on the field at once? didn't the dogs get docked points for having 14 on the field?

if i said 12, the blokes on the bench would get bored from playing absolutely no part in the game..

 

[Ramzyv1]

another contender for most overrated - JOHN MORRIS

sharkarm, we had a player in the centres last year that would concede tries every game because he had no idea, but at least lawrence can score tries unlike this other person

your making his defence out to worse then it is, watch a game and solely focus on lawrence



if i said 12, the blokes on the bench would get bored from playing absolutely no part in the game..

I know you are saying it because we are signing him but really since he is not highly rated in any way he cant be the most overrated. Dumb statement.

Agree with Lawrence though, the guy is a powerhouse centre that i would sign in a second. Was a definite chance for Origin this year had it not been for injury. Would have picked him over Lyon anyway. He is who i want Poms to be if he can get his freakin game in order.

 

[slide rule]

Andrew Johns played his whole career under a 10m rule.
Sterling, Mortimer, Langer, Lewis etc. played most or all of their career under a 5m rule.

Compared to these players, Johns had twice as much time and twice as much space to make the play.

True, but I'd also argue that the forwards are a lot fitter these days than what they were back then too. Therefore, there are not as many opportunities to take advantage of slow tired forwards around the ruck these days. The interchange rule has also had an influence on that as well. It works both ways.

It's very difficult to compare. The game has changed so much that it barely resembles what it was 50 years ago, or even 20 years ago for that matter.

 

[Illawarra Shark]

Most Overated Thread

OK all. Thought it would be interesting to start this thread up again on who everybody thinks are the most overrated players & coaches in the game today. Reckon there will be a few eyebrow raising suggestions.Will also be interesting to list as to why you believe they are overrated.

I will quite happily get the ball rolling:

Jarryd Hayne - a decent player with plenty of potential for the future but his poor positioning & average tackling ability does not make him the great fullback he is made out to be.

Think the media blew far too much smoke up his arse. 8 good games does not constitute a Dally M and "worlds greatest player" tag

 

[Capital_Shark]

I have to agree. Hayne hasn't proven sh!t yet. Nothing against him but, as you said its the media who blow players out of proportion and earn them the over-rated tag.

 

[Scarface]

jonathon thurston is the most overrated player.