Official Matt Moylan

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has never demanded big coin or anything either , always been a budget player that can take the field every week

He is a budget player now though, presumably.

 

[Sparkles]

He is a budget player now though, presumably.

And has taken the field every week.

 

[Wiz]

I actually though Moylan was good. Not great, but good. I don't get the whinging at all.

It was a very "Matt Moylan game". Did some good things, did some bad things, but way more good than bad. Yeah he kicked out on the full and his edge let in a soft one (not solely on him) but he had a hand in all Sharks 3 tries plus the 80th minute no-try, kicked what should have been the game winning field goal, actually ran the ball, and he was heavily involved in the final set trying to make things happen with the game on the line. This is Matt Moylan. We know him well.

You come across as smart sometimes but then I see sht like this and I question it.

He was not able to handle last play options well - that’s a basic trait you want from your half, at times he didn’t know what to do so he just hospital passed it (Teig Wilton on last as an example), shocking kicking game didn’t apply no pressure at all which in turn got us tired, running game was weak was not a threat and lastly due to all this Hynes was run ragged trying to do everything that would result in a meaningful event.

Yet you say we’re supposed to congratulate a dude who’s played test and state, just got re-signed for good $ and has more experience then most of the team because he kicked a field goal ? Nah bro

If anyone said that Trindall had a hand in all 3 tries for us you would have a go because he just passed it and it wasn’t even the final pass and if you want to credit (wrongly) Moylan for 3 tries then you credit him for letting the try in on his side there is no difference in either

 

[Wiz]

I reckon if Moylan had Hynes game he’d still be copping it

I reckon you and burgess need your eyes checked when it comes to Chad Townsend and now Moylan.

DELUSIONAL

 

[bort]

He is a budget player now though, presumably.

What does presumably mean? Do you think he's quietly on 800k still?
He didn't take 350k because we thought he was gunna be a marquee man. Probably in bottom 10 of halves paid starting round 1 and three of them were fill ins.

We really need to target CHT

I kinda don't mind CHT but at the same time it shouldn't be that hard to be in Warriors plan. He'd have to be the right price.
We will want to bring someone in I suspect to challenge for a halves jersey, remains to be seen if Moylan will be in calculations or not, and whether it is someone to challenge Trindall or someone for Trindall to challenge.

He isn't Hynes though, Hynes is far less experienced and at a new club in a new position in FG PLUS he had a better game than Moylan and hasnt stolen a salary from the club for 2.5 years

so there is a difference

Sure, Hynes is less experienced at a new club etc but I still think through the same lens if Moylan and Hynes swapped games people would be still more critical of Moylan. Which is fair enough to some extent, I will also judge them differently. But I think objectively their two games weren't as far apart as some are suggesting.

Swap their games and we'd see comments like
How is Hynes meant to play to his strengths when he is constantly under pressure because MONGlan runs on the 4th?
Got brushed by Wighton for first try is not good enough for a supposed rep player. Dead set stealing a salary.
Hynes pass to Kennedy for a try was beautiful with great footwork to open up space, and did most of the setup on next try too, Moylan just catch and pass but gets the try assist.

I thought Hynes played better, I just thought Moylan did some good stuff with ball in hand which is being ignored because of bad reputation.
I also did not want us to keep him.

 

[Sir Chadley]

Burgo and Bort, I'm not quoting Wizard's posts as I am not allowed to jump in on his conversations but I am sure whatever you go back to him with, I will certainly agree with you!

 

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What does presumably mean? Do you think he's quietly on 800k still?
He didn't take 350k because we thought he was gunna be a marquee man. Probably in bottom 10 of halves paid starting round 1 and three of them were fill ins.

Presumably meaning I presume. I don't know how much he is on. He's almost certainly not on 800k, I presume he's on a very low Rugby League wage, but there's also a chance he's mid-tier.

At low wage I don't care. The closer he gets to mid/high tier I care more.

 

[Gards]

I think it's beyond fair to be critical of Moylan at this point but getting ahead of ourselves to be overly harsh on Hynes in rnd 1 who was also a mixed bag, though IMO a superior mixed bag ($5 lollies vs. $2 lollies)

I think most of us see the class and ability of Hynes and are looking to the future knowing he is going to get better in the halves, be a great player for our club and a better player than Moylan ever was.

When we look at Moylan we see disappointment, unfulfilled potential and the past of a player thats half of career is fraudulent

If Hynes is playing at Moylans level at the end of 3 years time it would be not just a surprise but a serious f up by someone at the club

Mozza may be on $200k - $350k or whatever. Chad @ $800k or something stupid. By comparison Hynes looks amazing value @ $600k.

 

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Presumably meaning in presume. I don't know how much he is on. He's almost certainly not on 800k, I presume he's on a very low Rugby League wage, but there's also a chance he's mid-tier.

At low wage I don't care. The closer he gets to mid/high tier I care more.

Well reporting suggests it's around 340-350k. Now you can always say that we don't really know but the insidious media have their ways, seems safe to assume they are close. I'm also a fan of discuss the info you have and if it turns out to be wrong you can have a new discussion - if we never spoke about anything unless it was set in stone concrete for certain we'd half the conversations at most.

At that wage he is a mid tier NRL wage but I believe well below what most haves would be. As per my other post I'd guestimate he is probably around bottom 20% of starting halves.
And that's not even considering that some like Flanju are non starters but around 500k.

I think it's beyond fair to be critical of Moylan at this point but getting ahead of ourselves to be overly harsh on Hynes in rnd 1 who was also a mixed bag, though IMO a superior mixed bag ($5 lollies vs. $2 lollies)

I think most of us see the class and ability of Hynes and are looking to the future knowing he is going to get better in the halves, be a great player for our club and a better player than Moylan ever was.

When we look at Moylan we see disappointment, unfulfilled potential and the past of a player thats half of career is fraudulent

If Hynes is playing at Moylans level at the end of 3 years time it would be not just a surprise but a serious f up by someone at the club

Mozza may be on $200k - $350k or whatever. By comparison Hynes looks amazing value @ $600k.

Yes they can be judged differently, but as I said I do think their games were closer in quality than some are suggesting.

I disagree Moylan's career with us is 'fraudulent' as the vast majority of the issue with him has been injury, not bad play.
Definitely been disappointing though. Looked like a quality 5/8 after 1 year with us and struggled to stay on the park for the next three.
Has had some bad games, a lot of them around the point he was switching back and forth between fullback and 5/8.

Some of his backline work vs Raiders was very good. Some of his other stuff a lot weaker. Both guys looked a bit rusty as a combo and I think (hope) they can play a lot better together going forward.

 

[Sir Chadley]

Whichever way it goes it will still be Moylan 6, Hynes 7 against the Eels as Trindall is still suspended. So we will get another chance to see how the combo goes.

 

[Sparkles]

Whichever way it goes it will still be Moylan 6, Hynes 7 against the Eels as Trindall is still suspended. So we will get another chance to see how the combo goes.

For all my venting, I do think Moyza will improve this week. In his execution and role with Nicho

 

[BurgoShark]

I'm not arguing Moylan vs Trindall, or Moylan vs Hynes, or Moylan vs anyone. I'm saying Moylan did some good things and bad things, and in this particular game I think the good outweighed the bad. It was hardly a masterclass, but it wasn't the cluster**** some seem to think it was either.

If anyone said that Trindall had a hand in all 3 tries for us you would have a go because he just passed it and it wasn’t even the final pass and if you want to credit (wrongly) Moylan for 3 tries then you credit him for letting the try in on his side there is no difference in either

WTF? There is nobody on this forum as vocal as I am about the importance of the lead up rather than just the final pass. You could probably find a dozen rants on here from me about what a pile of **** stat a "try assist" is. In fact, I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone involved in the game (not just on this forum) anywhere who is more passionate about this than I am.

 

[Sparkles]

I'm not arguing Moylan vs Trindall, or Moylan vs Hynes, or Moylan vs anyone. I'm saying Moylan did some good things and bad things, and in this particular game I think the good outweighed the bad. It was hardly a masterclass, but it wasn't the cluster**** some seem to think it was either.


WTF? There is nobody on this forum as vocal as I am about the importance of the lead up rather than just the final pass. You could probably find a dozen rants on here from me about what a pile of **** stat a "try assist" is. In fact, I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone involved in the game (not just on this forum) anywhere who is more passionate about this than I am.

haha don't give in to hate. That leads to the Dark Side.... I almost got sucked into one of these threads with Wiz... barely escaped with ny sanity intact!

 

[Sir Chadley]

I'm not arguing Moylan vs Trindall, or Moylan vs Hynes, or Moylan vs anyone. I'm saying Moylan did some good things and bad things, and in this particular game I think the good outweighed the bad. It was hardly a masterclass, but it wasn't the cluster**** some seem to think it was either.


WTF? There is nobody on this forum as vocal as I am about the importance of the lead up rather than just the final pass. You could probably find a dozen rants on here from me about what a pile of **** stat a "try assist" is. In fact, I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone involved in the game (not just on this forum) anywhere who is more passionate about this than I am.

haha don't give in to hate. That leads to the Dark Side.... I almost got sucked into one of these threads with Wiz... barely escaped with ny sanity intact!

I am glad Wizard is a Sharks supporter, it is the only thing he's got going for him.

 

[Sparkles]

I am glad Wizard is a Sharks supporter, it is the only thing he's got going for him.

He'd be a great crack over a beer I reckon, but geez he's got a way of dragging you into a messy scrap... much like the best Sharks teams

 

[Gards]

I didn't expect burgess to be the first one to crack

forum is full of surprises - I love this place

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[sharkboy18]

Moylan & Hynes from what I saw pretty much have the same way of playing, both ball running halves rather then out & out kickers though Hynes certainly has a better kicking game then Moylan. If we are going to continue seeing the Moylan Hynes combo in the halves for a few weeks I really think Moylan should be the ball runner on the 4th, not Hynes like he was doing on the 4th a fair bit. Moylan really can't kick so that often left us with no short kicker on the last.

Hynes when he did kick I have to give him credit, he was a very good kicker at times, the kick where he kicked from pretty much our 30mtr line all the way to within their 20mtr zone almost a 40/20. We got the ball back from that anyway. Moylan should be the 4th tackle runner then Hynes will have the opportunity to do a small grubber, chip kick or another run of the ball on the last.

When Trindall gets back at this stage I think I'd prefer a Hynes/Trindall combo because then Hynes probably can do 4th tackle runs because we'd then have Trindall as the 5th tackle kicking option. One of the 2 can then be the utility still.

 

[HaroldBishop]

I didn't expect burgess to be the first one to crack

forum is full of surprises - I love this place

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I would have guessed egg

 

[Wiz]

haha don't give in to hate. That leads to the Dark Side.... I almost got sucked into one of these threads with Wiz... barely escaped with ny sanity intact!

Yes usually when people get hit with facts they back up because their take gets challenged but let’s go with your take.

Some people on here dribble sht too much I’m just here to wipe your mouths

 

[HaroldBishop]

Moylan & Hynes from what I saw pretty much have the same way of playing, both ball running halves rather then out & out kickers though Hynes certainly has a better kicking game then Moylan. If we are going to continue seeing the Moylan Hynes combo in the halves for a few weeks I really think Moylan should be the ball runner on the 4th, not Hynes like he was doing on the 4th a fair bit. Moylan really can't kick so that often left us with no short kicker on the last.

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Hynes is a good runner, far better than mong. If mong playing 6 is limiting Hynes from running then that's just not on.