Lyall Gorman

[endevour shark]

There is no way known that Flanno is the Answer the longer we continue with him the longer we continue down the road of mediocrity. He just does't have the smarts needed to do the job.

He is costing the club heaps in lost crowds lost opportunities . There would not be to many players lining up to join the style of footy we play and where we are headed it is not a matter of if he gets the flick it is when.

Whoever we put in has to be very well thought out and planed Anderson, Ricky and Flanno have all helped to severely damage this club. And as much as I can't stand Gus Gould he has the proven Smarts as a proven operator to overhaul and overview a football club in deep trouble.

There is no quick fix any longer. Our Brand Our image Our culture has to change. If we continue to do what we do, we will come up with the same outcomes and that is going to send us or broke .

 

[ABshark]

So who do you see as the "three or four" out of this?

My thoughts...

Sharks v Titans (H) Maybe (45% yes)
Roosters v Sharks (A) No
Sharks v Knights (H) No
Sharks v Rabbitohs (H) No
Panthers v Sharks (A) Maybe (20% yes)
Sharks v Warriors (H) Maybe (35% yes)
Titans v Sharks (A) Maybe (30% yes)

Probably the most telling thing for me is the crucial moment where everything went pear-shaped on Saturday night. Wade has a shocker of a clearing kick midway through the first half and the team falls into a complete funk. The body language was palpable... here we go again... we're about to get pwned. They're not being coached well in the head - it's funny that a weekend journo described their structure as not knowing who each others names are. In my mind, it seems that they're so far under-done that they'll struggle to trouble the scoreboard for quite some time to come and I blame the coach for that.

I think we'll beat the Titans at least once and are strong chances against Newcastle and NZ at home.

Decent chance of winning one of the three games against the top sides. Beat Penrith twice last year with a worse team and the recent games against Souths have mostly been tight. They seem to aim up against the good teams.

Add those up and you get somewhere like 3-4 wins. Its all a mugs game though this far out given injuries, suspensions, criminal charges etc.

There's also the fact that this year Flano has a few cards to play to change things up and get a response - can shift Barba or Holmes to the back, bring in Gagan/Bird, can bench A. Fifita, bring Lewis in at lock etc. Things will change at some point.

Basically as I said, this is an okay-good team playing badly. I thought they were much better on Saturday and if theyd played with that sort of intent in the first two.games then they would have won. I blame the coach for them playing badly but he's got worse teams than this to win. There's too much talent and pride for this mob to go completely winless.

Note: this doesn't mean I like Flano or his style of play. I'd be fine if he got the arse because I'd rather have a more proactive coach and a more modern football department. But what I want doesn't matter.

 

[samshark]

There is no way known that Flanno is the Answer the longer we continue with him the longer we continue down the road of mediocrity. He just does't have the smarts needed to do the job.

He is costing the club heaps in lost crowds lost opportunities . There would not be to many players lining up to join the style of footy we play and where we are headed it is not a matter of if he gets the flick it is when.

Whoever we put in has to be very well thought out and planed Anderson, Ricky and Flanno have all helped to severely damage this club. And as much as I can't stand Gus Gould he has the proven Smarts as a proven operator to overhaul and overview a football club in deep trouble.

There is no quick fix any longer. Our Brand Our image Our culture has to change. If we continue to do what we do, we will come up with the same outcomes and that is going to send us or broke .

100% correct. Email Lyall.
In fact everyone should be emailing Lyall. Thats the only way things may change quickly.

 

[slide rule]

I'm not usually one to be calling for a coaches head so early, but in this instance I just don't see us getting any better.

As Fitz said we look ridiculously underdone and a complete shambles.

I think some of it has to do with mental preparation etc, some of it has to do with a lack of a coherent game plan and some of it has to do with a continual lack of strategic planning with regards to recruitment and retention. We don't have a single player with a kicking game. It's unheard of. Sure, Carney "should have" been there, but even he was injury prone. Even with Carney in the team we still needed a half with a kicking game that was worthy of a pass mark, at least.

After re-signing Flanagan and waiting around for a year for him to return (a complete waste of a year in so many respects) it would be absolutely laughable to sack him now. But geez, in normal circumstances, it'd be hard to see him staying. It's pretty ironic that he'll actually be retained due to the political fallout caused by his own shortcomings.

If I were in shoes of the board/CEO, I'd probably let it go until around mid-origin period. If nothing has improved I'd be sniffing out other options to start the preseason with a new face at the helm. That would let them save (some) face and would cut down on any payout by a third. It'd also be difficult for any new appointment to make the necessary changes mid-season, so it might be better to just keep our powder dry.

 

[ABshark]

So... we sack a coach in the first year of a contract extension. We've been here before, its expensive. Have we got the money?

Hey Slidey. If you want to sack the guy then mid year is the latest it should happen. Otherwise there's bugger all time for recruitment.

 

[slide rule]

I think we'll beat the Titans at least once and are strong chances against Newcastle and NZ at home.

I won't be at all surprised if we were to lose to the Titans at home. Particularly with the snorters back.

 

[slide rule]

So... we sack a coach in the first year of a contract extension. We've been here before, its expensive. Have we got the money?

Hey Slidey. If you want to sack the guy then mid year is the latest it should happen. Otherwise there's bugger all time for recruitment.

It's a pickle.

 

[ABshark]

I won't be at all surprised if we were to lose to the Titans at home. Particularly with the snorters back.

Me either. But they're not out of it so they'll get one eventually. And I really think that Saturday was an improvement.

PS: I wish it were your second team that got done for coke. The rortin' snorters has a real ring to it.

 

[endevour shark]

So... we sack a coach in the first year of a contract extension. We've been here before, its expensive. Have we got the money?

Hey Slidey. If you want to sack the guy then mid year is the latest it should happen. Otherwise there's bugger all time for recruitment.

Yes mid year at the earliest but what we really need is someone like , Gould, Smith maybe Sheens to overview and direct at least the we would attract better players ,younger players ,bring out the best with what we have. It would enable us to become more strategic more considered in what we do.

With the exception of Gorman from the top to the bottom we don't have it

 

[slide rule]

I guess they've also got the option of bringing in a "consultant" to improve our attack.

Get a write up in the paper saying that we've got a bit more money to spend etc.

That might keep the wolves at bay for a few weeks. It might even improve our game!!

 

[gando2230]

So... we sack a coach in the first year of a contract extension. We've been here before, its expensive. Have we got the money?

Hey Slidey. If you want to sack the guy then mid year is the latest it should happen. Otherwise there's bugger all time for recruitment.

depends on how much T.Carney takes them for first.

 

[shark 101]

We can't afford a big payout so Flanno will still be here till at least the end of 2016. Paying out coaches is what got us in big financial trouble in the 2000s. No idea why they gave a Flanno a 3 year deal when no one else would of touched him. Give him a 2 year deal and say prove urself after the ASADA cluster**** then get a long term deal

 

[vicsharkfan]

depends on how much T.Carney takes them for first.

All depends on how much the
New coach demands. Don't
Know the figures but Nathan brown wouldn't be commanding a kings ransome.. I rest easier knowing lyall seems to be the sort of guy with his ear to the ground not stuck up in his Ivory tower... When push comes to shove I'm sure he has the balls to shove.

 

[endevour shark]

All depends on how much the
New coach demands. Don't
Know the figures but Nathan brown wouldn't be commanding a kings ransome.. I rest easier knowing lyall seems to be the sort of guy with his ear to the ground not stuck up in his Ivory tower... When push comes to shove I'm sure he has the balls to shove.

We can't afford to take to many more risks we need a top line proven coaching Co ordinator . Someone who knows and understands the game who can attract the right sort of players.

Someone who can bring out the best in what we have got already If we get beaten on the weekend or don't win well, it is going to cost us a whole lot in the short term and the long run.

 

[BlackWhiteBlue]

I won't be at all surprised if we were to lose to the Titans at home. Particularly with the snorters back.

Surely bird goes for a week. Had the late shot on mullen, dropped a bloke on his head too. If barba gets a week, so does bird

 

[Tank]

Surely bird goes for a week. Had the late shot on mullen, dropped a bloke on his head too. If barba gets a week, so does bird

Bird didn't get charged. Amazing. Mullen going for scans and could be gone for a few weeks. It was a dreadful hit and those types of hits need to be taken out of the game.

 

[Addy]

I know you're all upset, but can you please stop mentioning Brian Smith's name

 

[Gards]

Flanno's stubbornness and defiance suggests to me that he would not resign his position if we continue to flounder even if he is under even more immense pressure.

This is a scenario that although unlikely could potentially unfold in which I don't believe he would be entitled to a payout of his contract. If there were penalties for him not meeting our terms of contact (like any contract there are usually consequences for breaking it) perhaps the board could meet him half way and waive those penalties if he agreed to leave quietly.

Face it, the board will do what it has to get re-elected not necessarily the right thing but what would win them votes in the short term (bit like our liberal/labour governments) in a popularity contest.
The way I see it with Flanno they are screwed either way. The give him the punt and they are chastised for spending valuable club money on a big payout and losing credibility for extending his contract in the first place only to give him the boot.

If they leave Flanno in place and the performances don't turn around the board will lose credibility for sticking with their mates and not making the changes required for the betterment of the club, while bleeding crowd numbers, gate revenue and sponsorship appeal.

Flanno's resignation would be the cleanest way for all parties involved and pretty much everyone wins, maybe even Flanno who can go back to working on his playstation trophy collection on the couch
Lyall has experience in handling delicate situations and managing them through respectfully...

 

[Milkshark]

There is no way known that Flanno is the Answer the longer we continue with him the longer we continue down the road of mediocrity. He just does't have the smarts needed to do the job.

He is costing the club heaps in lost crowds lost opportunities . There would not be to many players lining up to join the style of footy we play and where we are headed it is not a matter of if he gets the flick it is when.

Whoever we put in has to be very well thought out and planed Anderson, Ricky and Flanno have all helped to severely damage this club. And as much as I can't stand Gus Gould he has the proven Smarts as a proven operator to overhaul and overview a football club in deep trouble.

There is no quick fix any longer. Our Brand Our image Our culture has to change. If we continue to do what we do, we will come up with the same outcomes and that is going to send us or broke .

This, multiplied a thousand times.

Get out flano and take your gymea gorilla mates with you. Bunch of pretenders.

The crowds will continue to go down while you and your mates have anything to do with club.

Thank goodness v8 supercars are on foxtel otherwise I'd be cancelling my subscription.

 

[BlackWhiteBlue]

Bird didn't get charged. Amazing. Mullen going for scans and could be gone for a few weeks. It was a dreadful hit and those types of hits need to be taken out of the game.

Nrl - Titans