Lyall Gorman

[sharks2010]

Pretty much my attitude to Unity.

Started well behind the 8 ball but steadily improving.

agreed, my biggest beef with unity was the promises they made during their campaign running for the board, most notably their promise to gain sponsors

But I think they are well on the right track now, the appointment of Gorman was massive, not only shows they are getting this club heading in the direction it needs/should be but proves against the rumours of 'jobs for the boys'

 

[slide rule]

My biggest beef with unity was the way in which they ran their election campaign.

 

[sharks2010]

My biggest beef with unity was the way in which they ran their election campaign.

thanks for backing me up mate lol

 

[CrankyShark]

Huh?

What are you talking about? Its the job of fitz and Shark to what? Criticise? They're the only ones?

And criticising a public figure on an internet forum somehow requires courage?

Huh?

I am anonymous. Fitz and Shark are not. That is why it takes courage and is their job to either agree with or disagree with the position. I'm not really interested in nit picking.

I'm hardly tearing Gorman down, I'm saying he has clearly failed the first test. I've said it and I think it makes for healthy debate. He has also been in the job two days so he may be playing a longer game.

I'd rather get back on topic. ie. How do we fix the club's image and sign sponsors with Flanagan as the face of the club.

 

[Capital_Shark]

What good do you see posibly coming from walking in and sacking Flanagan now, Cranky?

And as B&B said, on what grounds?

 

[Thresher]

What good do you see posibly coming from walking in and sacking Flanagan now, Cranky?

And as B&B said, on what grounds?

Remondis and Henson ... I'll get me coat ....

 

[fitz]

It depends who says it. Waiting for Fitz and Shark.

Don't know either of them but it is their job not mine to say this stuff. Kick me by all means, but I'm putting it out there.

It does take courage.

Ummmm... this is arguably one of the most offensive things I've ever read about me... and yes, I've heard a lot!

You know what... I have opinions - and those opinions are formed and drawn from a whole lot of expertise and professional and life experience.

However, where I differ from most is that I have the ability to take those opinions and then turn them into actual policy and articulated action plans.

I worked closely with the previous board in getting the Development approved - that was my focus and remit and where I applied my skills. For that, I ask nothing more or less than acknowledgement and a simple "Thank you."

I am no-one's puppet and I pursue whatever paths that I believe are true and correct.

So take your post and shove it as far as it will go.

 

[snowman]

i wouldnt say its clear at all he failed his first test, its actually quite clear that the board back flanno

 

[BlackWhiteBlue]

Remondis and Henson ... I'll get me coat ....

Or as keogh refers to it, Shark Park

 

[CrankyShark]

What good do you see posibly coming from walking in and sacking Flanagan now, Cranky?

And as B&B said, on what grounds?

A fresh start. I've always wanted him sacked and I've never shied away from that. The whole affair is wrapped up except we have the sour face of the whole affair representing the club in the media. Sit back and watch him perform in the media. Is that what we want?

I think paying him out is actually the way to go. We don't need grounds. This Gorman guy has the ability to sign big money sponsors. but sponsors want a return on their investment. Gorman will pull no long term high sponsorship without a product to sell.

 

[CrankyShark]

Ummmm... this is arguably one of the most offensive things I've ever read about me... and yes, I've heard a lot!

You know what... I have opinions - and those opinions are formed and drawn from a whole lot of expertise and professional and life experience.

However, where I differ from most is that I have the ability to take those opinions and then turn them into actual policy and articulated action plans.

I worked closely with the previous board in getting the Development approved - that was my focus and remit and where I applied my skills. For that, I ask nothing more or less than acknowledgement and a simple "Thank you."

I am no-one's puppet and I pursue whatever paths that I believe are true and correct.

So take your post and shove it as far as it will go.

All you had to say was you disagree with my position. My point was it took courage to take a position. That was the point of that post. It wasn't about you per se and I'm sorry if you construed it that way.

I don't see the cause for offence but I do understand that I am bludging off your reputation. That is genuine cause for offence. I hold you in high regard and expect you to lead debate. Perhaps the point?

I do expect fans to take a position and debate it though without personal attacks.

 

[Gards]

Why would anyone assume that Gorman in his second day on the job has to his knowledge the complete back story and ins and outs on Flanagan and the overall ASADA scandal?
To come in and sack Flanagan would not only be wildly haphazardness but judgmental of a bloke he may not have met until yesterday.

He was not hired as a thoughtless hitman

Gorman's success should not be measured upon reactive, sudden or major changes but on his implementation and management of a framework that allows the club to make positive change and operative effectively over a period of time.

 

[Born&bred]

I think paying him out is actually the way to go. We don't need grounds. This Gorman guy has the ability to sign big money sponsors. but sponsors want a return on their investment. Gorman will pull no long term high sponsorship without a product to sell.

That's just gambling mate - you're not making sense

 

[Capital_Shark]

A fresh start. I've always wanted him sacked and I've never shied away from that. The whole affair is wrapped up except we have the sour face of the whole affair representing the club in the media. Sit back and watch him perform in the media. Is that what we want?

I think paying him out is actually the way to go. We don't need grounds. This Gorman guy has the ability to sign big money sponsors. but sponsors want a return on their investment. Gorman will pull no long term high sponsorship without a product to sell.

I get what you're saying there, and prior to his contract extension I agreed with you, he should of lost his job. But after he got banned the board chose to back him instead of sack and it would be a terrible look for them to now bring in a new CEO to sack Flanagan. They had ample opportunity to sack him, even after extending him but didn't. Going back now would be inviting a **** storm and show a real lack of decisiveness and direction at board level, which also doesn't attract sponsors.

 

[fitz]

Or as keogh refers to it, Shark Park

Just a technicality pending Remondis making good their payment for the upcoming year. There's plenty of other accounts floating around that haven't been honoured just yet. I'm not too fussed.

 

[CrankyShark]

I get what you're saying there, and prior to his contract extension I agreed with you, he should of lost his job. But after he got banned the board chose to back him instead of sack and it would be a terrible look for them to now bring in a new CEO to sack Flanagan. They had ample opportunity to sack him, even after extending him but didn't. Going back now would be inviting a **** storm and show a real lack of decisiveness and direction at board level, which also doesn't attract sponsors.

Two wrongs don't make a right. I see it this way. Regardless of tonights disagreements, any impending bans for offending Fitz etc , all the people involved will be watching the Sharks play on round one. We are not the problem. The current fan base will wear it. This is about hopefull new fans but more importantly club perception.

We don't even need new fans to sell sponsorship. We need respect and media coverage. Shane Flanagan does not encourage love and sponsorship IMO.

 

[Capital_Shark]

Two wrongs don't make a right. I see it this way. Regardless of tonights disagreements, any impending bans for offending Fitz etc , all the people involved will be watching the Sharks play on round one. We are not the problem. The current fan base will wear it. This is about hopefull new fans but more importantly club perception.

We don't even need new fans to sell sponsorship. We need respect and media coverage. Shane Flanagan does not encourage love and sponsorship IMO.

And if he does his job - coaching - and does it well then his main role in selling the Club is done. Let Lyall fluff the media and potential sponsors, let Shane coach. If they both kick goals we're laughing on all fronts. We go sack the coach now we ****can another season and continue to let 2011 hold us back.

 

[Bundy Shark]

Just a technicality pending Remondis making good their payment for the upcoming year. There's plenty of other accounts floating around that haven't been honoured just yet. I'm not too fussed.

Really? Thats poor form, I would have thought sponsorship would have been paid up like maybe membership is or can be (thats how we did it for the last two years, pay a certain amount every so often, sorry vague on the details, my wide does all the money stuff/bills etc, I wouldnt know how much we paid off at a time or how often, it was direct debited)

 

[CrankyShark]

And if he does his job - coaching - and does it well then his main role in selling the Club is done. Let Lyall fluff the media and potential sponsors, let Shane coach. If they both kick goals we're laughing on all fronts. We go sack the coach now we ****can another season and continue to let 2011 hold us back.

Okay. I'm going to come across as some sad lefty greenie type blah blah blah.

Shane Flanagan presents as a thug. My partner of ten years was as staunch a parra fan as you will ever get. I can't see her ever attending a game again. The problem is with the game's image and for us Flanagan.

Enough is enough. I've appealed for help and support in making my case and it has fallen on deaf ears. I'm asking people to look at our coach and the way he presents to the media. Just look. If you wanted to sell a product, is this how you would go about it?

NRL clubs sack coaches like it it going out of fashion.

 

[Born&bred]

NRL clubs sack coaches like it it going out of fashion.

Yep they do, but only when they have a replacement in play and most definitely NOT when said coach has only just been given a 3 year contract.