Lyall Gorman

[sharkstragic]

Wow. What a fantastic orator. He can certainly talk the talk. Let's hope he can walk the walk at our club in the same way he did at the A-League.
I really think he is going to make a massive difference. So excited for next season now.

 

[CrankyShark]

So....

How do we feel about privatization?

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/rug...rospect-of-privatisation-20141125-11tp60.html

hmmm. My first reaction is that it should be a last resort and is not necessary. The future of the club is secure with the development (from my limited understanding).

To play devil's advocate on Gorman

In my opinion the first thing he should do is fix the club's image. Sponsorship and competitiveness would then naturally follow. Having listened to him speak, this wounds well and truly within his capabilities. However, my observation is that he may be already hamstrung by the board in the sense that he may have taken on the job to execute their agenda irrespective of whether or not it is the right thing to do. Specifically, he has thrown his full support behind Flanagan. It is going to be a very difficult task to fix the club's image with him at the helm.

Sacking Flanagan is my personal preference but he will move on in time so in many ways I don't see it as the end of the world just a delay. My concern is that he may have been installed to privatise the club. I'm not saying this makes him a stooge. Maybe it is his vision and maybe he is completely right.

Despite the success of the privatisation of Souths, I have strong reservations about going down this path.

 

[HaroldBishop]

hmmm. My first reaction is that it should be a last resort and is not necessary. The future of the club is secure with the development (from my limited understanding).

To play devil's advocate on Gorman

In my opinion the first thing he should do is fix the club's image. Sponsorship and competitiveness would then naturally follow. Having listened to him speak, this wounds well and truly within his capabilities. However, my observation is that he may be already hamstrung by the board in the sense that he may have taken on the job to execute their agenda irrespective of whether or not it is the right thing to do. Specifically, he has thrown his full support behind Flanagan. It is going to be a very difficult task to fix the club's image with him at the helm.

Sacking Flanagan is my personal preference but he will move on in time and in many ways so I don't see it as the end of the world. My concern is that he may have been installed to privatise the club. I'm not saying this makes him a stooge. Maybe it is his vision and maybe he is completely right.

Despite the success of the privatisation of Souths, I have strong reservations about going down this path.

I could be wrong but I get the impression he's not that kind of guy.

 

[CrankyShark]

I could be wrong but I get the impression he's not that kind of guy.

It is the talk of privatisation that has alarmed me.

 

[Sutty]

It's pretty simple really, he aims to project an optimistic environment, and it is our job as members to look to the future with optimism as well. The players and staff of the club can do the same, or they can get lost and find another club to suck at.

It is impossible to build a strong character for this club if our supporters act like a bunch of pussies all the time, stuff has gone wrong in the past, but learning from it rather than being defeated by it is how we should move forward.

 

[Bundy Shark]

It is the talk of privatisation that has alarmed me.

Initially me too but he wouldn't be doing his job unless he looked at everything.

 

[snowman]

he mentioned it, and now everyone thinks we are going down that road... smh

 

[Thresher]

If a person or private enterprise buys the club, what do they buy, the debt?

And then what do they own? The football team, club, development etc?

If we have our own pathway to economic security why the hell would we even contemplate it?

I'd be extremely suspicious if we even started entertaining the idea. Suspicious over who benefits in the long run etc

 

[CrankyShark]

If a person or private enterprise buys the club, what do they buy, the debt?

And then what do they own? The football team, club, development etc?

If we have our own pathway to economic security why the hell would we even contemplate it?

I'd be extremely suspicious if we even started entertaining the idea. Suspicious over who benefits in the long run etc

They would be buying the lot, the problem being that what they really want is the development. Initially they would "embrace" the Sharks but they are interested in one thing and one thing only, profit. If you have been following the news there is now to be 600 million spent on upgrades to the SFS, Homebush and Parramatta stadium. There will be immense pressure in the next five years to abandon Remondis and the developers will be dying to have it rezoned and turned into apartments. It won't be their fault, it will be the NRL's for forcing us to the SFS.

Think that scenario is preposterous? It may be that none of the 600 million is granted to homebush and the Olympic stadium knocked down and turned into units. Who would have thought that was possible. Big money.

 

[Thresher]

And then who gets the money (apart from the debtees/creditors?)

Would it go into a Club future fund or something?

Makes no sense to me unless you're a club where things aren't looking up and the writing is on the wall. Which is not the case with us apparently.

 

[CrankyShark]

And then who gets the money (apart from the debtees/creditors?)

Would it go into a Club future fund or something?

Makes no sense to me unless you're a club where things aren't looking up and the writing is on the wall. Which is not the case with us apparently.

It would depend upon the carve up in the contract, but yes, some would be allocated to the club and potentially be a great thing for the club. The club will no longer have a home ground though and it will be the Sharks playing out of the SFS.

I'm sure the developers would privately hope the club dies at the SFS and can shift blame onto the NRL.

 

[HaroldBishop]

You guys are getting way too ahead of yourselves. Relax and enjoy the fact we have high-quality CEO, enjoy the ride.

 

[slide rule]

It's a bit weird to speculate about something that's a hypothetical and doesn't exist, but I think any privatization would most probably be Football Club only. Maybe even some kind of 50/50 deal with members or something. All the land, capital and the income stream is "owned" by the Leagues Club members. What would be the point of selling that to someone? How would members be reimbursed for that?

 

[Thresher]

You guys are getting way too ahead of yourselves. Relax and enjoy the fact we have high-quality CEO, enjoy the ride.

I don't think it's going to happen HB.

But unless Gorman comes out and shuts the speculation down, the news media will give some it some legs, I have no doubt.

If he doesn't shut it down then I'll start to feel a little concerned.

 

[slide rule]

I don't think it's going to happen HB.

But unless Gorman comes out and shuts the speculation down, the news media will give some it some legs, I have no doubt.

If he doesn't shut it down then I'll start to feel a little concerned.

I don't really care if they keep talking about it in the media because after Souths' recent sucess, it will be viewed as positive.

The average journo and punter have goldfish memories and will already forget about Newcastle. So, it will be taken as something that will improve the club and make it strong. The development has received very little traction in the mainstream media, so at least this puts a positive spin on it.

Ultimately members will have to vote on what happens to the club and we'll judge any proposition on it's merits at the time.

 

[Bundy Shark]

Not sure if he's been on yet but Lyall will be on AM radio 1269 Talkin Sport this arvo, it should be a good listen as Graeme Hughes will be asking the questions.

He doesn't just ask the run of the mill warm & fuzzy questions that most radio presenters ask.

 

[HaroldBishop]

Not sure if he's been on yet but Lyall will be on AM radio 1269 Talkin Sport this arvo, it should be a good listen as Graeme Hughes will be asking the questions.

He doesn't just ask the run of the mill warm & fuzzy questions that most radio presenters ask.

He's getting out there, isn't he. Certainly hitting the ground running.

 

[snowman]

Not sure if he's been on yet but Lyall will be on AM radio 1269 Talkin Sport this arvo, it should be a good listen as Graeme Hughes will be asking the questions.

He doesn't just ask the run of the mill warm & fuzzy questions that most radio presenters ask.

what time mate?

 

[Thresher]

I don't really care if they keep talking about it in the media because after Souths' recent sucess, it will be viewed as positive.

The average journo and punter have goldfish memories and will already forget about Newcastle. So, it will be taken as something that will improve the club and make it strong. The development has received very little traction in the mainstream media, so at least this puts a positive spin on it.

Ultimately members will have to vote on what happens to the club and we'll judge any proposition on it's merits at the time.

That's all it took, I'm calm now.

 

[CrankyShark]

It's a bit weird to speculate about something that's a hypothetical and doesn't exist, but I think any privatization would most probably be Football Club only. Maybe even some kind of 50/50 deal with members or something. All the land, capital and the income stream is "owned" by the Leagues Club members. What would be the point of selling that to someone? How would members be reimbursed for that?

Football clubs are money sinks. I doubt that is what is being referred to.

With the renewed threat of the big stadiums we need to know where the CEO and the board stands. We have a big asset and need to manage it carefully. There will be plenty of sharks about, not necessarily the right kind.