Official Luke Metcalf

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You happily give him 250 this year and 250-3 next.

Same amount if not less then what we paid Connor Tracey

Source?

 

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It's funny how people throw out random numbers like that.

Salary Cap after paying everyone minimum wage is $6.3m, of which $4-4.5m is going to be committed to your top 6 or 7 earners.

Players 8 through 26 are sharing ~$1.5-2.0m in top-ups on their $120k - or about $80-100k per player. For every guy in that range you want to pay $250-300k you need two on the list making minimum wage only.

The numbers that get thrown around in forums are ridiculous. Basic maths says that if you are not a top 10 player on your team in the NRL you are almost certainly earning $200k or less, and if you are outside the top 20 you are probably closer to minimum wage.

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My guess is $9.7m breaks down something like this for most clubs.

Players 1-7 ($5.6m) = $800k average
Players 8-12 ($1.5m) = $300k
Players 13-20 ($1.6m) = $200k
Players 21-26 ($720k) = $120k
Players 27-30 ($320k) = $80k

...keeping in mind in real life though that nobody would actually commit 100% of their cap on day 1. They would need to keep some aside for tier 2 (dev) players called up as emergencies, for mid-season signings, and any bonuses.

Are you suggesting Luke Metcalf and Tracey are not in our top 8-12 players? Outrageous!

On average across clubs I think it is even a little more skewed than that as approx half players earn 180k or less, so probably some of your 8-12 are on a little more and most of your 13-20 on a bit less.

I think it is one thing to consider a reported number and discuss it (not guaranteed to be correct, sure), but another completely to just make up your own number and then hold it against the player

 

[Wiz]

Are you suggesting Luke Metcalf and Tracey are not in our top 8-12 players? Outrageous!

On average across clubs I think it is even a little more skewed than that as approx half players earn 180k or less, so probably some of your 8-12 are on a little more and most of your 13-20 on a bit less.

I think it is one thing to consider a reported number and discuss it (not guaranteed to be correct, sure), but another completely to just make up your own number and then hold it against the player

Tracey is on over 200k mate - enough said

 

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Tracey is on over 200k mate - enough said

Source?

 

[Born&bred]

It's funny how people throw out random numbers like that.

Salary Cap after paying everyone minimum wage is $6.3m, of which $4-4.5m is going to be committed to your top 6 or 7 earners.

Players 8 through 26 are sharing ~$1.5-2.0m in top-ups on their $120k - or about $80-100k per player. For every guy in that range you want to pay $250-300k you need two on the list making minimum wage only.

The numbers that get thrown around in forums are ridiculous. Basic maths says that if you are not a top 10 player on your team in the NRL you are almost certainly earning $200k or less, and if you are outside the top 20 you are probably closer to minimum wage.

*

My guess is $9.7m breaks down something like this for most clubs.

Players 1-7 ($5.6m) = $800k average
Players 8-12 ($1.5m) = $300k
Players 13-20 ($1.6m) = $200k
Players 21-26 ($720k) = $120k
Players 27-30 ($320k) = $80k

...keeping in mind in real life though that nobody would actually commit 100% of their cap on day 1. They would need to keep some aside for tier 2 (dev) players called up as emergencies, for mid-season signings, and any bonuses.

That doesn't include 3rd party payments does it? I'm sure when people quote salaries they are inclusive of this.

That probably wouldn't be a large factor for our players salaries though I guess.

 

[bort]

If Wizard has some inside info on Tracey that he doesn’t admit to, maybe it’s $200k + $25k TPA or something like that. Still quite high for a depth guy, but not ridiculous. Somewhere between $150k-200k would make sense for Tracey from a cap PoV.

All he even did last season was play every game, equal top scorer and come 4th in our MVP voting despite not having a clear position in the team (and almost never had a bad game as an outside back).

He signed beginning May when he had 4 tries in 5 games as a starter so while I'd guess he probably values somewhere around 160-200* I could see it being more like 200-240 if there was a strong expectation he was going to be right in the contest to be a starting back over those three years.
From that point on he was named to start each week and did play well. And I do think he is right in the contest for a centre spot next year.
Ramien, who I think was overpaid given the circumstances surrounding his signing, wasn't really twice as good as Tracey was.

I certainly don't think Metcalf has done anything to warrant a 200-250k upgrade and extension before even setting foot on the pre-season paddock this season. And I don't think he has earned or deserves to be paid the same as Connor either, even if he may have a higher 'potential' value.

*as you said it is hard to guess these cheaper guys as you see way less reported figures for comparisons, and for a bloke on 120k an upgrade to 160k is a pretty good increase, so I expect most players early contracts move kind of slow. eg 60-80, 120, 180, 300, 600, 750 with better players making bigger/quicker jumps.
Experience and leadership qualities (and team needs) can keep increasing value even when player hits their ceiling.
Dale for example is unlikely to play better for us in 2022 than he has been for Storm but is getting a 580k up to 750k raise... and we are happy with it

 

[Sparkles]

All he even did last season was play every game, equal top scorer and come 4th in our MVP voting despite not having a clear position in the team (and almost never had a bad game as an outside back).

He signed beginning May when he had 4 tries in 5 games as a starter so while I'd guess he probably values somewhere around 160-200* I could see it being more like 200-240 if there was a strong expectation he was going to be right in the contest to be a starting back over those three years.
From that point on he was named to start each week and did play well. And I do think he is right in the contest for a centre spot next year.
Ramien, who I think was overpaid given the circumstances surrounding his signing, wasn't really twice as good as Tracey was.

I certainly don't think Metcalf has done anything to warrant a 200-250k upgrade and extension before even setting foot on the pre-season paddock this season. And I don't think he has earned or deserves to be paid the same as Connor either, even if he may have a higher 'potential' value.

*as you said it is hard to guess these cheaper guys as you see way less reported figures for comparisons, and for a bloke on 120k an upgrade to 160k is a pretty good increase, so I expect most players early contracts move kind of slow. eg 60-80, 120, 180, 300, 600, 750 with better players making bigger/quicker jumps.
Experience and leadership qualities (and team needs) can keep increasing value even when player hits their ceiling.
Dale for example is unlikely to play better for us in 2022 than he has been for Storm but is getting a 580k up to 750k raise... and we are happy with it

It's so hard to measure the value of the current squad. You do feel like they're playing under their potential because we've seen glimpses of how good they can be. I can't see any reason why several of our squad can't emerge as genuine star players if the support is there.
From everything we've heard it's all heading in the right direction. The coaching staff is looking really good. We've got some great signings coming in with a mix of experience and raw talent. There's close to enough depth to challenge for positions and push the starters (ala Kennedy). It's all on Fitz really to get the most out of them.

Where we are today, anything less than a top 6 finish next year would have to be judged a fail. #infitzwetrust

 

[snowman]

metcalf had to do what was best for him and that is find a club to play first grade

this year moylan, hynes and bt are all ahead of him

next year he would still have bt and hynes ahead of him

if the warriors want him now, they can cough up a prop or CHT

 

[Sparkles]

metcalf had to do what was best for him and that is find a club to play first grade

this year moylan, hynes and bt are all ahead of him

next year he would still have bt and hynes ahead of him

if the warriors want him now, they can cough up a prop or CHT

I mean, we were able to sign Nicho for the same reason we're losing Metcalf. A good result all in all.

 

[Western Sharkie]

‘Want to win a premiership in that jersey’: Smith’s ‘mind made up’... but he won’t reveal new club yet

‘Decision is made’: Smith reveals feeding frenzy — and the club that blew him away

www.foxsports.com.au

now gun five-eighth Dylan Brown is the latest Eel to be linked to a rival club, with Channel 7’s Michelle Bishop tellingSEN: “Dylan Brown is another one, the Warriors are keen, he is on their radar.”

Reports are that the Warrior’s are chasing Dylan Brown.
If they land him, there is another road block in his NRL ambition at the Warriors.
Shame he jumped ship.

 

[HaroldBishop]

Reports are that the Warrior’s are chasing Dylan Brown.
If they land him, there is another road block in his NRL ambition at the Warriors.
Shame he jumped ship.

Luke's pretty naive if he thinks he's guaranteed a spot in any team over a season away.

 

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That’d be pretty funny

 

[Tiger Shark]

Walsh - halves or fullback
Metcalf - halves or fullback

One of them partners Brown.

Johnson will only have a year left

 

[Gumby]

Brown wants 800k. He’s not worth half that IMO. Massively overrated.

 

[HaroldBishop]

Brown wants 800k. He’s not worth half that IMO. Massively overrated.

Yeah dreaming if that's true.

Had **** all try assists this year.

 

[Gumby]

Yeah dreaming if that's true.

Had **** all try assists this year.

I think he had 2. Most overrated player going around IMO.

 

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Chad was equal 7th for try assists last year level with Ponga, Moses, Hunt, S Walker, Doueihi
Above Mitchell, Gutherson, Hughes, Reed, Luai, Hynes, Drinkwater, Munster, Grant, Kennedy

In fact only Keary, Turbo, Cody Walker, DCE, Cleary and Teddy had more try assists on average than Chad Townsend last year.

He was probably playing better during the period some on here were in a frenzy about him not having a try assist for 6 weeks or whatever than he was last season.

From a TA alone perspective you can read that Dylan Brown having two means he doesn't contribute much, or you can assume he's doing a lot of the early work to help his half and fullback both be top 20 for assists. I don't mind referring to stats and discussing stats but I agree they don't always paint an accurate picture. But, I do think Brown started his career looking more promising than he has delivered so far.
Does have a pretty sweet 66.67% win rate all three seasons he has played though which is better than Paras team win rate for 2 of those three years and they were spooners the year before he started (obviously he is far from the only factor in that)

 

[Wiz]

Chad was equal 7th for try assists last year level with Ponga, Moses, Hunt, S Walker, Doueihi
Above Mitchell, Gutherson, Hughes, Reed, Luai, Hynes, Drinkwater, Munster, Grant, Kennedy

In fact only Keary, Turbo, Cody Walker, DCE, Cleary and Teddy had more try assists on average than Chad Townsend last year.

He was probably playing better during the period some on here were in a frenzy about him not having a try assist for 6 weeks or whatever than he was last season.

No he wasn't - Townsend is sht, all those players were adding value to their team elsewhere lol

 

[Sparkles]

No he wasn't - Townsend is sht, all those players were adding value to their team elsewhere lol

Were you captain of your school debating team, Wiz?

 

[stormshark]

hahaahahaahaha