Official Junior Footy + Coaching

[BurgoShark]

That's pretty grim
And hardly helps, leading towards the other issues that start to affect as the kids get older

Keep in mind this is 2017... before they introduced the framework.

Definitely grim. RL not a welcoming sport for new kids. Coaches favour returning players etc. NRL identified a clear and obvious problem and implemented a solution which has proven to work in other sports for at least two decades.

End result = clubs and coaches disregard it and parents whinge about it on Facebook.

 

[Mr Ryan]

The NRL can I put all the things in place, but what’s stopping the coaches from ignoring it?

I can tell you as fact - my sons under 10s team - the GF and points have been removed, but everything else that @BurgoShark is saying that NRL doesn’t want to happen, is still happening.

 

[egg]

They get a lot of things right in Norway.

Especially their Women .
Great Sorts

 

[BurgoShark]

The NRL can I put all the things in place, but what’s stopping the coaches from ignoring it?

I can tell you as fact - my sons under 10s team - the GF and points have been removed, but everything else that @BurgoShark is saying that NRL doesn’t want to happen, is still happening.

This is the same thing I am saying. PDF is the correct approach, but the majority of clubs and coaches haven’t bought in to it yet.

It will take a generation to change peoples’ attitudes.

 

[Sparkles]

Just got our soccer graded team back. The club decided not to enter a division one team, which I think makes sense. I'm happy that they made the decision based on the kids ability and consideration to their enjoyment (ie not getting flogged each week).
They also put the kids in our team whose mum split up our team in the previous season by complaining that our warm ups weren't good enough before games.... I was the coach... should be interesting!

In an interesting turn of events, we've had a couple of other people put their hands up to coach/help coach. I just might avoid a vote and hand the reigns over and be an assistant. Almost feels like a win.

 

[HaroldBishop]

Just got our soccer graded team back. The club decided not to enter a division one team, which I think makes sense. I'm happy that they made the decision based on the kids ability and consideration to their enjoyment (ie not getting flogged each week).
They also put the kids in our team whose mum split up our team in the previous season by complaining that our warm ups weren't good enough before games.... I was the coach... should be interesting!

In an interesting turn of events, we've had a couple of other people put their hands up to coach/help coach. I just might avoid a vote and hand the reigns over and be an assistant. Almost feels like a win.

Haha fmd. I didn't bother with warm ups for my under 8s team last season.

 

[Sparkles]

Haha fmd. I didn't bother with warm ups for my under 8s team last season.

Seemed a little pointless to get the half of them that turned up on time to stop running around and kicking the ball to line up and take shots at goal, which seemed to be the standard approach!

 

[HaroldBishop]

Seemed a little pointless to get the half of them that turned up on time to stop running around and kicking the ball to line up and take shots at goal, which seemed to be the standard approach!

Yep that was my rationale. As long as they're moving I don't care really.

 

[BurgoShark]

Just got our soccer graded team back. The club decided not to enter a division one team, which I think makes sense. I'm happy that they made the decision based on the kids ability and consideration to their enjoyment (ie not getting flogged each week).

Well done. Some clubs like the prestige of having a div1 team and would rather cop a flogging than drop down.

They also put the kids in our team whose mum split up our team in the previous season by complaining that our warm ups weren't good enough before games.... I was the coach... should be interesting!

Jesus Christ. Parents can be ****s sometimes.

In an interesting turn of events, we've had a couple of other people put their hands up to coach/help coach. I just might avoid a vote and hand the reigns over and be an assistant. Almost feels like a win.

Depends of they are coaching for the right reasons I guess. Only reason I lasted as long as I did was because I saw how bad the alternative choices were.

 

[Sparkles]

Depends of they are coaching for the right reasons I guess. Only reason I lasted as long as I did was because I saw how bad the alternative choices were.

I'm lucky that one parent who has put their hand up was our manager last year and he's one of the good guys. Wouldn't hurt that he actually plays and watches the game either! I'd feel confident handing the reigns over, the kids deserve to have that experience helping guide them in their development.

 

[SF]

I thought I'd move this discussion to a new thread, and see how it goes.

Basically a place to discuss junior rugby league (or other sports where relevant), coaching advice, Player Development Framework (PDF) or anything else along those lines. Particularly with all the changes related to the PDF in Cronulla JRL and other Sydney leagues this year.

Just don't start taking pot shots at specific clubs, teams, officials or other individuals... there's enough politics already

 

[BurgoShark]

My 17yo has coaches under 9’s for her netball club, has been pretty stress free last couple seasons. This season first game all kids are all unco and learning which is still fun cause they’re all so little my daughter is handing out the bibs to the kids, parent walks up infront of other parents and players up tells her she is making a really big mistake as her daughter is a fantastic shooter and will be wasted anywhere else. I asked my daughter what her reply was she said “ I starred straight back at her asked her again what did she say” , the women repeated herself so my daughter said she turned her back on her and went about address the kids with 30 seconds to go before game started.”

Dumb parents ain’t a football cricket soccer basketball thing it’s everywhere netball gymnastics Dancing

Yep.

With positions it is really bad only learn one spot. One day that kid is going to play for a different team with a better GA/GS, and if that's the only part of the game she knows... she is screwed.

Any time my son joins another team as a fill-in or when a new teacher takes over the school team for a day and asks where he plays... his answer is "everywhere". He played prop one game for the school team last year against kids 2 years above his age group. Literally had to go up against kids twice his weight. That's still more fun than sulking on the bench though.

Youth (ice) hockey in Canada is moving towards position-less leagues for kids. i.e. everyone is a defenceman and a forward. You just fall in to the appropriate role depending on where you are standing when possession gets turned over. I think eventually netball/basketball will fall in to an adjusted way of playing for younger ages so that kids get this sort of development. Good coaches do it already (I know some very good bball coaches) but I think you will eventually see it documented.

Good on your daughter

 

[BurgoShark]

@BurgoShark not sure if you're much of a basketball guy but the problems getting so bad in the US the Pros are starting to speak out on it.

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I don't follow the NBA. It is great that players are talking about it though.

I've heard some similar comments from NHL pro coaches about their experiences coaching 18-20yo players in development leagues. Parents of 18yo players following the coach around badgering him for more ice time etc.

 

[bort]

@BurgoShark not sure if you're much of a basketball guy but the problems getting so bad in the US the Pros are starting to speak out on it.

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I don't follow the NBA. It is great that players are talking about it though.

I've heard some similar comments from NHL pro coaches about their experiences coaching 18-20yo players in development leagues. Parents of 18yo players following the coach around badgering him for more ice time etc.

When you forget to log out of your alt

 

[BurgoShark]

When you forget to log out of your alt

Haha yeah - was quoting him from another thread and responding in here. Somehow ended up quoting myself with his content.

 

[Sparkles]

Thought it was pretty funny that my sons soccer team for the new season dropped on TLT Plenty of eyebrow raising selections all round!

 

[bort]

Thought it was pretty funny that my sons soccer team for the new season dropped on TLT Plenty of eyebrow raising selections all round!

I’d have given Iro a run

 

[Sparkles]

I’d have given Iro a run

Was trying to get Amelia in... she's a gun. And my son has a crush on her. You don't get that much in the NRL!

 

[Flanno]

Yep.

With positions it is really bad only learn one spot. One day that kid is going to play for a different team with a better GA/GS, and if that's the only part of the game she knows... she is screwed.

Any time my son joins another team as a fill-in or when a new teacher takes over the school team for a day and asks where he plays... his answer is "everywhere". He played prop one game for the school team last year against kids 2 years above his age group. Literally had to go up against kids twice his weight. That's still more fun than sulking on the bench though.

Youth (ice) hockey in Canada is moving towards position-less leagues for kids. i.e. everyone is a defenceman and a forward. You just fall in to the appropriate role depending on where you are standing when possession gets turned over. I think eventually netball/basketball will fall in to an adjusted way of playing for younger ages so that kids get this sort of development. Good coaches do it already (I know some very good bball coaches) but I think you will eventually see it documented.

Good on your daughter

Agree with this.

When reading about many professional soccer players they also talk about how they were a striker growing up and used to bang in the goals.

One that springs to mind is Joe Gomez. Centre back / right back for Liverpool who has scored 0 goals in his professional career from 234 games and mentioned in a recent interview that at school he played up front

 

[BurgoShark]

Agree with this.

When reading about many professional soccer players they also talk about how they were a striker growing up and used to bang in the goals.

One that springs to mind is Joe Gomez. Centre back / right back for Liverpool who has scored 0 goals in his professional career from 234 games and mentioned in a recent interview that at school he played up front

Being flexible/malleable is the key. A kid might be the best player on his team, but once he gets to a certain level he is in a team comprised entirely of players who were the best player in their junior team.