John Morris

[slide rule]

I honestly cannot wait to see what our squad is going to look like by the end of the year, I think a lot of big money players are going to get their worlds rocked.

This would have happened regardless. Nearly all are off contract.

Easy free hit for the new guy where Bomber never got the opportunity.

 

[Flanno]

I've slept on this a bit now and have come to the conclusion that we as fans do need to back the club in this.

Yes, it wasn't done in a great manner and yes, it is not fair for Bomber to finish this way.

In my view the media, and most of you on here will know my thoughts on the media, have contributed equally to the mess that has been created.

The club could not win either way with this. Had they been transparent and told everyone about what was happening, they would have been criticised for bad business practices.

If they kept it all under wraps and not told a soul, they would have been criticised for not being transparent.

I like Bomber as a coach and a person but I didn't think he had what it took to take us to the top four or win a premiership.

Is Fitz that man? I don't know, none of us do at this stage. But if none of the top 3 coaches in the NRL, Bellamy, Robinson and Bennett aren't available or willing to come here, then Fitz is probably the next best choice.

We should all remember Penrith did this a couple of years ago to Anthony Griffin, even though he had them in fourth place at the time. It was not a popular decision with fans and the media but look where Penrith are now.

I know some of you don't care for Ivan because of the way he left the Tigers, and I certainly agree with that, but he's now turned them into a powerhouse where Griffin may not have had the same success.

So I'm happy to back Fitzgibbon in 2022 and beyond and Hannay for that matter for 2021, but I'm sure the board will be nervous to see how it all unfolds.

Well said Chad!

 

[slide rule]

Morris wasnt sacked. He had no contract and he wasnt renewed. No one here knows how Morris was treated unless you are on the board or are reading Buzz Rothfield articles

Legally, technically yes.

Dog move though from one man to another.

But the world is run by assholes.

 

[snowman]

Kent mentioned something about the players not really getting along with Bomber behind closed doors.
Is that accurate?

from what i was told is he has 4 that are backing him staunchly and we dont care if they leave

 

[Western Sharkie]

from what i was told is he has 4 that are backing him staunchly and we dont care if they leave

Ok.
Thanks

 

[Bundy Shark]

It was Orr and Morris who called the meeting to put a case forward, not us. We gave him his chance.
If we hadnt, you’d be crying harder

FMD,
crying?
Cause I have an opinion?
are you crying when you b*#%h about Chad?’ Me included, he does my head in as well, they are options!

as you’ve alluded to & it’s clear as day, this wasn’t a spare of the moment call, not recently, it was decided at Sharks board level, he wouldn’t be coach? Yes? You’d agree on that?

Don’t string him along, I’m not a John Morris man, I’m a Sharks supporter, the facts are he has coached a team that had a salary penalty attached to it, he had to let players go which more than likely would have given us more wins, he debuted more young guy in his tenure than we probably did the 5 seasons prior?

Again, my opinion, he made some errors, like Chads PO’s contract & signing Ramien but our premiership winning coach made some bad calls as well.

We are now in a position to re invent the roster, he’d be backing himself to get even better results on the back of that in being able to shape the team/roster how he wants, unfortunately for him, he doesn’t get that chance, me personally, I put myself in that situation & I’d be disappointed & pissed.

The Sharks are within their rights not to extend him, search for, & hopefully gain a better option, you beauty, Sharks, we all want that.

BUT, imo, it’s piss poor how they handled it & didn’t let him know once they made the call on HIM, regardless if Fitz or anyone had signed, tell him straight, they were looking to go in a different coaching directive.

 

[egg]

from what i was told is he has 4 that are backing him staunchly and we dont care if they leave

That sounds like all the juniors he coached and mentored are not in his corner ?
I believe you BUT it's very surprising .
What did he do to get them offside ?

 

[snowman]

FMD,
crying?
Cause I have an opinion?
are you crying when you b*#%h about Chad?’ Me included, he does my head in as well, they are options!

as you’ve alluded to & it’s clear as day, this wasn’t a spare of the moment call, not recently, it was decided at Sharks board level, he wouldn’t be coach? Yes? You’d agree on that?

Don’t string him along, I’m not a John Morris man, I’m a Sharks supporter, the facts are he has coached a team that had a salary penalty attached to it, he had to let players go which more than likely would have given us more wins, he debuted more young guy in his tenure than we probably did the 5 seasons prior?

Again, my opinion, he made some errors, like Chads PO’s contract & signing Ramien but our premiership winning coach made some bad calls as well.

We are now in a position to re invent the roster, he’d be backing himself to get even better results on the back of that in being able to shape the team/roster how he wants, unfortunately for him, he doesn’t get that chance, me personally, I put myself in that situation & I’d be disappointed & pissed.

The Sharks are within their rights not to extend him, search for, & hopefully gain a better option, you beauty, Sharks, we all want that.

BUT, imo, it’s piss poor how they handled it & didn’t let him know once they made the call on HIM, regardless if Fitz or anyone had signed, tell him straight, they were looking to go in a different coaching directive.

yeh, good idea to tell him in november when we have no coach signed that we dont want our current coach

fmd, what a dumb

 

[BurgoShark]

Both John Morris’s Mum and Paul Gallen are now saying that Bomber was willing to stay until the end of the year.

A bit bizarre reporting on what his mum says - but I guess that’s what counts as “news” those days.

He was sacked.

 

[egg]

Both John Morris’s Mum and Paul Gallen are now saying that Bomber was willing to stay until the end of the year.

A bit bizarre reporting on what his mum says - but I guess that’s what counts as “news” those days.

He was sacked.

The Board couldn't risk looking bad if he made the 8 and THEN won a few games in the finals.
They'd risk getting exiled themselves .
Smart but GUTLESS

 

[Bundy Shark]

yeh, good idea to tell him in november when we have no coach signed that we dont want our current coach

fmd, what a dumb

November, ok

Good one

 

[Bundy Shark]

Both John Morris’s Mum and Paul Gallen are now saying that Bomber was willing to stay until the end of the year.

A bit bizarre reporting on what his mum says - but I guess that’s what counts as “news” those days.

He was sacked.

For?

 

[bort]

For?

For having no contract and not being renewed.

 

[snowman]

November, ok

Good one

yeh, november, when we rejected his second request for an extension

 

[Bundy Shark]

yeh, november, when we rejected his second request for an extension

So, the board thought it was destabilising totell him then (Nov) but not destabilising to sack him after 5 games, ok, makes sense.....

We’ll agree to disagree how you do things, catch you in the Chad thread, possibly Friday evening, dependant if he puts in a shocker, we can both cry about him in there

 

[JimBob]

So, the board thought it was destabilising to not tell him then but not destabilising to sack him after 5 games, ok, makes sense.....

Removing Morris was always going to be destabilising (as it would be removing any coach), but you’re not going to cause that destabilisation until you’ve got your replacement signed on the dotted line.

 

[Wiz]

FMD,
crying?
Cause I have an opinion?
are you crying when you b*#%h about Chad?’ Me included, he does my head in as well, they are options!

as you’ve alluded to & it’s clear as day, this wasn’t a spare of the moment call, not recently, it was decided at Sharks board level, he wouldn’t be coach? Yes? You’d agree on that?

Don’t string him along, I’m not a John Morris man, I’m a Sharks supporter, the facts are he has coached a team that had a salary penalty attached to it, he had to let players go which more than likely would have given us more wins, he debuted more young guy in his tenure than we probably did the 5 seasons prior?

Again, my opinion, he made some errors, like Chads PO’s contract & signing Ramien but our premiership winning coach made some bad calls as well.

We are now in a position to re invent the roster, he’d be backing himself to get even better results on the back of that in being able to shape the team/roster how he wants, unfortunately for him, he doesn’t get that chance, me personally, I put myself in that situation & I’d be disappointed & pissed.

The Sharks are within their rights not to extend him, search for, & hopefully gain a better option, you beauty, Sharks, we all want that.

BUT, imo, it’s piss poor how they handled it & didn’t let him know once they made the call on HIM, regardless if Fitz or anyone had signed, tell him straight, they were looking to go in a different coaching directive.

It is ruthless but at the same time there was no other way to do it.

It looked sour because the media pushed it into that corner .. If there wasn’t no media on it, you would not see anything other then Fitzgibbon signed with club and club to have meeting with Morris to decide his near future.

I don’t think 2 days ago Fitzgibbon had signed yet, so as a club you would have to keep your cards close to your chest in case things don’t fall your way

 

[snowman]

It is ruthless but at the same time there was no other way to do it.

It looked sour because the media pushed it into that corner .. If there wasn’t no media on it, you would not see anything other then Fitzgibbon signed with club and club to have meeting with Morris to decide his near future.

I don’t think 2 days ago Fitzgibbon had signed yet, so as a club you would have to keep your cards close to your chest in case things don’t fall your way

bingo

imagine telling morris in december we were signing fitzgibbon and then we dont land him

you dont tell someone until you have them secured, this process took ages, and there are still more pieces to fall into place

 

[bort]

My issue with the situation is more around we seem to be taking a higher risk higher reward approach. Spending more on a more hyped but less proven/less experienced coach.
If we can mitigate that with Bellamy and to a lesser extend Ciraldo I will come more on board with the plan - have to wait and see how that pans out. At this stage from a 'risk' angle I'm not sure I wouldn't have just kept Bomber over Fitz/Ciraldo, although it's probably close. I also can accept I don't have full inside knowledge over everything Bomber does, although I am yet to see a convincing argument. I'm unconvinced him revaluating what he would be willing to spend on SJ as he went through recovery, up from insultingly low, or that not rushing to sign Will Chambers (of all ****ing people), are strong arguments against him.

I do think a more fair (and things aren't always fair in business or footy) approach would have been to give Bomber notice he will be invited to reapply for an extension. With that approach I think it is pretty reasonable to also be speaking with other people. Bomber doesn't have to know his efforts are an uphill battle because one of the other candidates is favoured.

I'm concerned by the boards position in all this. They hold the most power at the club (seems like more fans would have kept Bomber than not so the fans certainly don't) but I feel like they have the least to lose?
Sack Bomber for this season so he can't do well and make you look bad? Hurts the club, hurts the fans, no skin off boards back.
Make the higher risk coach signing? Hurts the current coach, could backfire, but you're unpaid board members, doesn't affect you if it fails, aside from the same disappointment of most fans.

I agree with people saying Bomber is probably not a top 4 team coach right now but I think there were signs we were going in a good direction and I could see him building something worthwhile over time. Like a Richmond/Hardwick kind of thing.

Now we have Hannay for this year and Fitzgibbon for next year and that won't stop me supporting the Sharks, and I will be hoping the risk pays off!

 

[Blair]

The Board couldn't risk looking bad if he made the 8 and THEN won a few games in the finals.
They'd risk getting exiled themselves .
Smart but GUTLESS

I think it was more about having someone still within the organisation that may have an axe to grind.

What if he got a job for next year, would you want him in the ear of Brailey or Rudolph for another 6 months. Most coaches don’t stick around once writing is on the wall. It’s nothing new.