John Morris

[vicsharkfan]

Always respected jmo as a player never the most talented but squeezed a 300 game career though hard work, self belief and tenacity, seeing similar traits in his coaching believes in himself and the players and will not shirk a challenge.
Let’s get it done.

 

[Gards]

I will take a good player over a 'big name' any day of the week

Big names often come with big disappointment, big egos and big salaries. A good player on a sensible salary is always going to be better for a squad overall. The key is finding and attracting big names that actually perform for you and gel with the systems, culture and club but they are not the be all and end all and those truly elite top tier players you will always be fighting tooth and nail and getting into bidding wars with competing clubs to land. The run of the mill 'big name' myth is usually a convenience signing when they are on the outer or what not anyway and they needed to sign somewhere anywhere regardless.

You shouldn't go after them for the sake of marketing and to say hey look at the high profile players we can attract how good are we, there needs to be reason and plans around how that works for the squad and it's goals. There should be a genuine gap and requirement for a high profile player.

We already have SJ, big name that brings experience and importantly quality to our halves, we just signed McCinnes to lock down our middle, hardly a nuffy or no namer and are extending young talent that have the potential to be elite are are becoming more well known around the league and media communities with each game. We need maybe a solid centre to replace Duges, a decent workhorse forward to replace Woods/fifs and potentially a new half back in a few seasons and hope Kennedy becomes the player we want long term. We do not need to go nuts on big name signings though granted that's sometimes what it takes to replace key positions in the spine (i.e. 7).

Ask some other clubs fans what they think of their 'big names' chewing up their cap and doing Sweet FA, I'm sure they are so happy their high profile coach was able to sign up those plods.

Besides how can they expect JMO to attract 'big names' with no Cap and no certainty around who will be coach (both not JMO's fault). Should they not at least wait until he has some money in the kitty to splash? they might be surprised, not all big names need a high profile coach, some are happy as long as the money is good and the environment, culture, playing finals ect. not all of them expect an instant premiership.

It's not like SJ wouldn't extend with our club because his coach is John Morris and SJ is one of the biggest names in Rugby League. Don't recall Duges, Moylan, Fifs, Wade, Woods ect asking for releases when they found out JMO was their new coach

Sure I can understand JMO might not have the pulling power or clout to recruit someone like Papenhuyzen (a big name that happens to be a good player) from another club but there is no guarantee a higher profile coach could either.
Besides even if he can't pull in someone like that on the flip side he is bringing through new and young players who are still developing and looks to be doing a very good job of it and you risk undoing some or all of that good work.

Even older more seasoned players like Woods & Dugan have become respectable consistent performers under JMO - not something I ever associated with these players in the past.

I recall a high profile coach by the name of Chris Anderson bringing in a big name player in Brett Kimmorly to our club (a great player and club man tbf) and next thing you know one of the most exciting and promising players of the time in Preston Campbell is winning a premiership at his next club. An extreme example yes but it's the sort of roads that get opened up with this sort of thinking.

So yea anyways if what Mace said is true (and gotta admit it makes sense considering JMO has no contract yet) well I am calling BS on his rationale, closed mindedness and short sightness.

Though in his defense it's not like being para phrased with a single sentence through a rumour article gives you much chance to elaborate or clarify the details if you or your club have been misrepresented or misinterpreted unlike say an actual 5 minute conversation with someone. Yet there continues to be a deafening silence from the club on these matters....

 

[Western Sharkie]

Bring out the “Extend Bomber” placards at our next home game.

 

[Bundy Shark]

I will take a good player over a 'big name' any day of the week

Big names often come with big disappointment, big egos and big salaries. A good player on a sensible salary is always going to be better for a squad overall. The key is finding and attracting big names that actually perform for you and gel with the systems, culture and club but they are not the be all and end all and those truly elite top tier players you will always be fighting tooth and nail and getting into bidding wars with competing clubs to land. The run of the mill 'big name' myth is usually a convenience signing when they are on the outer or what not anyway and they needed to sign somewhere anywhere regardless.

You shouldn't go after them for the sake of marketing and to say hey look at the high profile players we can attract how good are we, there needs to be reason and plans around how that works for the squad and it's goals. There should be a genuine gap and requirement for a high profile player.

We already have SJ, big name that brings experience and importantly quality to our halves, we just signed McCinnes to lock down our middle, hardly a nuffy or no namer and are extending young talent that have the potential to be elite are are becoming more well known around the league and media communities with each game. We need maybe a solid centre to replace Duges, a decent workhorse forward to replace Woods/fifs and potentially a new half back in a few seasons and hope Kennedy becomes the player we want long term. We do not need to go nuts on big name signings though granted that's sometimes what it takes to replace key positions in the spine (i.e. 7).

Ask some other clubs fans what they think of their 'big names' chewing up their cap and doing Sweet FA, I'm sure they are so happy their high profile coach was able to sign up those plods.

Besides how can they expect JMO to attract 'big names' with no Cap and no certainty around who will be coach (both not JMO's fault). Should they not at least wait until he has some money in the kitty to splash? they might be surprised, not all big names need a high profile coach, some are happy as long as the money is good and the environment, culture, playing finals ect. not all of them expect an instant premiership.

It's not like SJ wouldn't extend with our club because his coach is John Morris and SJ is one of the biggest names in Rugby League. Don't recall Duges, Moylan, Fifs, Wade, Woods ect asking for releases when they found out JMO was their new coach

Sure I can understand JMO might not have the pulling power or clout to recruit someone like Papenhuyzen (a big name that happens to be a good player) from another club but there is no guarantee a higher profile coach could either.
Besides even if he can't pull in someone like that on the flip side he is bringing through new and young players who are still developing and looks to be doing a very good job of it and you risk undoing some or all of that good work.

Even older more seasoned players like Woods & Dugan have become respectable consistent performers under JMO - not something I ever associated with these players in the past.

I recall a high profile coach by the name of Chris Anderson bringing in a big name player in Brett Kimmorly to our club (a great player and club man tbf) and next thing you know one of the most exciting and promising players of the time in Preston Campbell is winning a premiership at his next club. An extreme example yes but it's the sort of roads that get opened up with this sort of thinking.

So yea anyways if what Mace said is true (and gotta admit it makes sense considering JMO has no contract yet) well I am calling BS on his rationale, closed mindedness and short sightness.

Though in his defense it's not like being para phrased with a single sentence through a rumour article gives you much chance to elaborate or clarify the details if you or your club have been misrepresented or misinterpreted unlike say an actual 5 minute conversation with someone. Yet there continues to be a deafening silence from the club on these matters....

Serious question, I could be wrong but I don’t recall Flano signing big name players in his first few seasons?

 

[egg]

Serious question, I could be wrong but I don’t recall Flano signing big name players in his first few seasons?

Beau Ryan

 

[Cage]

As Gards pointed out, how the hell did they expect Bomber to sign elite players with SFA salary cap.

 

[Bundy Shark]

As Gards pointed out, how the hell did they expect Bomber to sign elite players with SFA salary cap.

I think they might be meaning now?
Maybe they have put the feelers out already to a number of players & outside of McInnes none are biting???

 

[Tiger Shark]

Johnson is on the Bloke in a Bar Podcast. Good listen.

He’s clearly a fan of Bomber, also can’t believe he hasn’t been signed and mentioned players want to know who the coach is. Which I’ve been saying for 6 months.

Bomber not being signed seems to be flavour of the month.

 

[Gards]

I think they might be meaning now?
Maybe they have put the feelers out already to a number of players & outside of McInnes none are biting???

High profile players won't sign cause they don't know who the coach will be and are looking for some stability and certainty about who they will be playing under

Also Cronulla: Won't extend out of contract coach with unstable and uncertain future cause can't sign high profile players

Nulla Logic

Bring out the “Extend Bomber” placards at our next home game.

Please don't do this at a bulldogs game

 

[BurgoShark]

Serious question, I could be wrong but I don’t recall Flano signing big name players in his first few seasons?

Flano took over late 2010, so he was pretty much lumped with what he had for 2011. He went after a big name each year.

2012 - Added Carney, plus Fifita, Gibbs and Robson
2013 - Added Luke Lewis, plus Ryan, Flash, Heighno
Then got suspended, Sharks got the spoon (also added Bird, Feki and Prior)
2015 - Added Ennis and Barba (who was terrible), plus Beale, Capewell
2016 - Added Maloney, plus Townsend, Paulo

Flano brought through very few players from juniors/nyc/cup, preferring to find players elsewhere. He did however build much of the junior/feeder system we have now, so it might have just been the case that the Sharks weren’t very deep or well organised when he arrived. He may have given Bomber a hospital pass on the NRL squad, but he certainly deserves some credit for developing the pathways which are helping Bomber to turn the next batch in to guns.

Bomber on the other hand has a proven track record turning young/fringe players in to regular NRLers (or better) but his hands have been tied until now regarding recruitment. It would be nixe if he was given the opportunity (both with time and money) to supplement the team with a marquee signing or two.

 

[Wiz]

Flano took over late 2010, so he was pretty much lumped with what he had for 2011. He went after a big name each year.

2012 - Added Carney, plus Fifita, Gibbs and Robson
2013 - Added Luke Lewis, plus Ryan, Flash, Heighno
Then got suspended, Sharks got the spoon (also added Bird, Feki and Prior)
2015 - Added Ennis and Barba (who was terrible), plus Beale, Capewell
2016 - Added Maloney, plus Townsend, Paulo

Flano brought through very few players from juniors/nyc/cup, preferring to find players elsewhere. He did however build much of the junior/feeder system we have now, so it might have just been the case that the Sharks weren’t very deep or well organised when he arrived. He may have given Bomber a hospital pass on the NRL squad, but he certainly deserves some credit for developing the pathways which are helping Bomber to turn the next batch in to guns.

Bomber on the other hand has a proven track record turning young/fringe players in to regular NRLers (or better) but his hands have been tied until now regarding recruitment. It would be nixe if he was given the opportunity (both with time and money) to supplement the team with a marquee signing or two.

That’s legendary

 

[kiwishark]

Johnson is on the Bloke in a Bar Podcast. Good listen.

He’s clearly a fan of Bomber, also can’t believe he hasn’t been signed and mentioned players want to know who the coach is. Which I’ve been saying for 6 months.

Bomber not being signed seems to be flavour of the month.

Seems a few outside of the club rate Bomber as well

 

[Blair]

I wasn’t sure on Bomber at the start of the year. I wanted to see improvements in defence and effort areas. I think we’ve seen that.

I like what he’s done with the young guys and he seems to have their respect.

I hope it’s done soon so we can tie up SJ, Rudolph and Talakai.

 

[SharkShocked]

It is now starting to become a big distraction, more and more player interviews / journalist noise.

Needs to be dealt with ASAP and imo it's an area where the club rightly deserve criticism.

 

[Flanno]

It is now starting to become a big distraction, more and more player interviews / journalist noise.

Needs to be dealt with ASAP and imo it's an area where the club rightly deserve criticism.

Yeah, agreed. Need to sort it out sooner than later because it’s going to keep being brought up every week. A win against the Roosters on the weekend would surely do Morris’ case a world of good.

 

[Western Sharkie]

One of the smartest things this guy has ever said!
The board really needs to pull their heads in now and extend Bombers contract. It is becoming a distraction and it’s not like he hasn’t earned an extension.

It is only going to start hurting us as players we want to keep will start to look to secure their futures elsewhere if this isn’t resolved.
If that happens, then the board should be kicked out!

https://www.sportingnews.com/au/lea...-woods-rugby-league/13dpi7hlcdvhlzrqf9mczg9rm

Cronulla Sharks forward Aaron Woods urges club to re-sign John Morris for benefit of off-contract players
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John Morris
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Cronulla Sharks forward Aaron Woods has urged the club to re-sign coach John Morris, or risk losing a host of off-contract stars.

Morris is without a deal beyond this year, and there is growing support for the Sharks to retain his services.

In two years with the top job, the 40-year old has taken them to the finals in both and has started the 2021 campaign with his side with two wins.

Speaking to Nine News Sydney on Wednesday night, Woods spoke about the strain it will have on the club if they don't make a decision soon.

“It’s important – we need to know what is going on. It’s the hardest thing for him, all the boys are going really well and everyone is playing for each other," he said.

“I went through it at the Tigers. If you don’t know who your coach is going to be, players don’t want to come and sign, or re-sign as well.

"If you don’t know who your coach is going to be, are players going to re-sign or are they going to come? They just want to know who is going to be here.

"If they make the decision to keep Bomber, blokes will stay here and we will get players to come. It’s just up to the club to get out and do it."

Morris is well-liked by the playing group at the Sharks, and if the club do decide to keep him on, it will give some clarity to a host of players without a deal for 2022.

Shaun Johnson, Josh Dugan, Matt Moylan and Toby Rudolf headline a host of high-profile Sharks talent, and many of them could attract interest from rival clubs.

The former NSW Origin and Kangaroos prop revealed his desire is to stay in the Shire, after they took a gamble on him in 2018.

“They took a gamble on me when things weren’t going too well at the Canterbury Bulldogs for myself," he said.

"I owe this club a fair bit at the moment, so I don’t really want to leave.

"I am really enjoying my time here and my family love it here too."

Woods was full of praise for Morris as a coach and as a mate.

“He is always so organised with everything. When we go out there, everyone knows the game plan and everyone knows the structure," he said.

"I feel like I can have a tough conversation with him too. Sometimes you get a coach and it’s hard to have a conversation with him.

"We’ve got that level where we are mates, but then we’ve got the other level where he is my head coach and he can tell me what I’m doing right and wrong."

 

[Capital_Shark]

It is now starting to become a big distraction, more and more player interviews / journalist noise.

Needs to be dealt with ASAP and imo it's an area where the club rightly deserve criticism.

Absolutely. Bomber has his house in order, the sooner his bosses get their's right the better we'll be. Even the media narrative has switched to "what are they doing?"

It's all positive except this nagging ****. Someone balls up & make a call either way.

Personally I think we **** a lotta things not retaining him. There's no better or more proven on the market. I'm prepared to say **** Bellamy if he's the hold up.

2+1 club option. With Mooney back you're not risking Bomber burying us with silly spending as our cap opens up & I don't feel he's a buy em guy he'd rather produce & pick up finishing/missing pieces.

 

[egg]

It's really a no brainer .
Give him 2 years and a pay rise .
We're NOT going to go backwards in that time and if we're smart with our cap then any new coach after that time won't be too shackled if he surprisingly failed .
If Bellamy miraculously decided on the Sharks as director of coaching then surely Morris and him would work . Why wouldn't Morris be open to suggestions from a guru , as he doesn't come across as owning a huge ego .
As for Bellamy a young up and comer doing a great job would be a perfect canvas to work with .

 

[HaroldBishop]

Bellamy himself said he'd make a decision before round 1. So if this is the hold up with Morris then sorry, bad luck. I know his wife has health issues but we're trying to run a business here.

Just ****ing extend Morris so everyone has some certainty. The club is going gangbusters off the field, don't **** up the footy side of things.

 

[slide rule]

Bellamy himself said he'd make a decision before round 1. So if this is the hold up with Morris then sorry, bad luck. I know his wife has health issues but we're trying to run a business here.

Just ****ing extend Morris so everyone has some certainty. The club is going gangbusters off the field, don't **** up the footy side of things.

Should offer John a year contract at the very least if Craig is uncertain. I don’t see what harm that could do.