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Official Jesse Ramien
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snowman
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some of the passes are hospital balls as he runs the suicide line
cant hold them all
the bloke is a ****ing animal, this is 2018 ramien on steroids
cant hold them all
the bloke is a ****ing animal, this is 2018 ramien on steroids
I hope not
snowman
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its insane the year he is having and it is going unnoticed because of how good everyone else is playing
Ramien is a relatively small increase in execution away from being someone you could argue as the best centre in the game.
If he halved his errors and penalties he'd be NSW right centre.
TBF it is too many errors and penalties, he does need to reduce it.
Kind of similarly Talakai a victim of a couple massive weeks has a lot of people thinking he has been **** since then.
You could argue we have the best centre pairing in the NRL
Herbie hurt and Staggs quiet more often than not, Best/Gagai and Lomax/Suli have potential but both probably victims of weaker teams.
Val and Hiku? I'd take either of our guys easily over Hiku and you could argue they are outplaying Val.
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Even when he's a 4 (?) error putz he's a 3 (almost 4) try beast with a TA.
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Alright... i'm going in...
Ramien is a dead set liability with his current errors and brain explosions.
We get to paper over his unforced errors and bad decison making because of the high standard the rest of the team executed at last night and the opportunites they created. Plus the poor defence late in the game from the Storm. He was also let off the hook for dropping the simplest of kick takes by an offside call.
He also bombed one try with a poor put-down and almost another when he only barely forced himself to pass to Katoa (after a completely unnecessary indecisive double pump that only happened because he wanted to try his luck to the line).
You get those errors from him in a tight contest and we'll be back to the barn for the pickets and torches.
The hattrick wasn't down to his incredible play. It was almost solely due to the opportunity provided by his teammates and a beaten up Storm.
I love this guys physicallity. Everything about it. I'll even take the odd suspension because I want him to be the beast he is. But his lousy decision making and error rate won't cut it in the finals. He needs to work it out, because with our teams roller coaster form we won't be good enough every game for those issues not to matter.
Ramien is a dead set liability with his current errors and brain explosions.
We get to paper over his unforced errors and bad decison making because of the high standard the rest of the team executed at last night and the opportunites they created. Plus the poor defence late in the game from the Storm. He was also let off the hook for dropping the simplest of kick takes by an offside call.
He also bombed one try with a poor put-down and almost another when he only barely forced himself to pass to Katoa (after a completely unnecessary indecisive double pump that only happened because he wanted to try his luck to the line).
You get those errors from him in a tight contest and we'll be back to the barn for the pickets and torches.
The hattrick wasn't down to his incredible play. It was almost solely due to the opportunity provided by his teammates and a beaten up Storm.
I love this guys physicallity. Everything about it. I'll even take the odd suspension because I want him to be the beast he is. But his lousy decision making and error rate won't cut it in the finals. He needs to work it out, because with our teams roller coaster form we won't be good enough every game for those issues not to matter.
I forgot about the kick one, I guess you could argue maybe he does catch it if not for illegal kick pressure but it was so catchable even if that is true it is pretty irrelevant.
Fox Sport Labs centre average stats, adjusting for players who haven't played 6+ games at centre this season
He is first for penalties - so I think this is a big area he needs to clean up. Literally the worst centre in the league for it.
Errors he is 28th which is not that bad really. Even someone like Tago has more.
(and at this point in time he's a round up on 6 teams yet to play this weekend, not that that's likely to change things dramatically)
Then right in the mix for most offensive stats.
As I said before it is too many errors and penalties, 100%, incredibly frustrating.
But he's so ****ing close to being fantastic.
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I love when NRL players do this... because I am a total prick with my team making them put the ball down properly at training. They hate it, but they haven't dropped the ball over the line once this year.
First conversation at training next session will be "OK boys... who watched the Sharks v Storm game? Can anyone want to tell me something Jesse Ramien might need to improve on?"
Same thing for when a fullback and a winger collide because nobody called for the ball, or when two blokes look at each other and let the ball go out from a kick off (or drop out). I love it. Great teaching moments.
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Agree on Ramien. He is an elite rep-level centre 77 minutes out of every game.
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It was just a classic think about running before catching. There was a fair bit of space even with the offside.
Tago has had 253 receipts to Ramien's 216 if that's a factor. I'd be interested in the ratio. And there's a lot of unforced errors (to the eye, at least). Weirdly, nrl.com doesn't have an errors figure in their tables. Whoever puts together their stats is no Burgo.
My biggest issus is that he's such a weapon when he leaves his dick fingers and numnuts in the sheds that you want to get him the ball a lot... But I wouldn't trust him not stuff it up in a make or break situation. That's not a good place to be. I'd genuiely rather more of a vanilla type centre in that case, someone I know will just get the job done off the back of Moylan, Hynes and Williams' great playmaking.
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I think Ramien's ready for someone to give him a bit of that tough love. He's doing well in enough other areas now to be served a nutritious sh*t sandwich
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Agree.
It's amazing to me that someone can make it to the NRL and be making ridiculous sums of money, but they never learned to put the ball down properly or call for the ball on kicks. It happens all the bloody time though.
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I guess there is a fine line between pleasure and pain.
Adjusting to that stat Tago is 20 errors from 253 receptions, Ramien is 10 errors from 216 receptions.
Tago makes an error every 12.65 touches, Ramien every 21.6
Hard to believe Ramien has only made 10 errors but I guess uncatchable passes must skew that a bit, but wait we can kind of account for that...
Ramien has 26 offloads but only 23 effective offloads, so... no wait, that isn't proving our thoughts that much either...
(Tago 11 & 7 for comparison)
Tago actually has one more penalty too if you believe it, although does have an extra 3 games played.
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That vanilla centre is Connor Tracey
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Is Tago the equivelent? I haven't watched him too closely to really compare.
If Olam is the best centre maybe he's the benchmark? They are pretty similar players. Don't pass much, are human battering rams. Smack blokes in defence