Official Braydon Trindall

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Tough gig following up after this.

One thing Trindal does have that Moylan doesn't is his experience with the team. A lot of our team has been together for a couple of premierships in the lower grades, Trindal was a part of all that.

Some of our nicest tries have been with Kennedy, Ronnie and Trindall involved. These boys know how to play football together.

We've just got to be patient. Fitz seems like he is playing a bit of long game thing here. He probably hoped trindall would be ready come the end of the Moylans contact, but some good appearances from Trindal and a few bad ones from Moylan make you question Fitz.

I'm happy to take my time with a half and making him really earn it. Not quite the same scenario but I'd hate for us to do what we did to Albert Kelly.

I’d definitely be interested in the numbers on how many games (all grades) Trindall has played with some of these guys vs how many Moylan has

I think you could say Moylan Kennedy and Ronnie have been involved in some good tries too

 

[Deleted member 3365]

Hynes contributes to the attacking driven gameplay which lacks ball security. I don't think Moylan does, I also don't think Trindall fixes it or Hynes wearing a different number fixes it. Fitz and Hynes fix it.

Moylan contributes to the weak tryline defence which is another big issue however he is far from the sole person to blame for this. While we have seen issues across the park and some of them have just been specifically Moylan's fault they have also been the fault of plenty of others (including Hynes). Wilton has been more than a few which wouldn't do Trindall any favours. Something needs to change with how we are defending our tryline, and I don't think that changing specifically Moylan is it. However we can also improve this by fixing the above, teams will score if you let them keep having the ball in your attacking end repeatedly.

I don't think Moylan is anywhere near as bad as some do (doesn't mean I think he is killing it but I think a lot of his good work is being ignored) and I also don't think Trindall is as good as some do. I think the two are quite close actually, but also quite different players. I didn't see anything in that Trindall highlight video which I didn't think Moylan could do, other than a 40/20.
I wouldn't bat an eyelid if Fitz dropped Moylan for Trindall but nor do I think it is outrageous he hasn't.
I also don't believe we have seen proof Trindall is a high level game manager like some claim, just because he played Flegg as a 7 or whatever. We see Moylan regularly addressing team and pointing people into shape, supposedly he offers no game management. Fitz knows if Trindall has better game management skills than Moylan or Nicho. I don't think we know that, despite what some claim.

I do think some fresh blood could give the team a little extra oomf however I also think Fitz probably has a good enough read on Trindall in Cup and NRL to know if that would happen or not. Presumably not if he is also meant to be calming and organising.
Attacking football also energises the team which will come more often if we hold onto it.

While we want to hold a team to a high standard and our ladder position is inflated by byes we are theoretically going okay
Is okay good enough? No
But there are seasons we would have loved to have been 'only able to beat the weak teams'. I accept it must be hard for a second year coach who can see his team going okay to drop an experienced half (his other half apparently gets a lot out of playing with, whether random sharks fans agree with that or not) for a less experienced half with the hope he improves the team in the future. I get that a lot of people in here feel Trindall has earnt the chance but clearly the coach doesn't. Hopefully we have a half decent coach and he knows more than random fans, if not we are ****ed for a while whether with Trindall or Moylan.
Every week Trindall should be learning and gaining experience, there will come a time he gets a chance whether through jumping Moylan or injury to Moylan and I'd love to see him grab it with both hands and run with it.

Remember Trindall's good games at the start of the season, admittedly playing with Moylan not Nicho, we went 1-2, yeah Trindall played pretty good, but Moylan and Nicho are 6-4. Throwing away a 60% winrate pairing for an unknown one just in case it goes better or because fans want you to are probably both incorrect from coaches perspective if he doesn't confidently feel Trindall increases it.

I don't object to Trindall being in the team at all, I don't think he is as good as some claim though.
I do object to concept Nicho and Moylan can't game manage but Trindall can - I think that is very hard to judge unless you're consistently on the sideline and training paddock with them.
And I object to the fact the coach doesn't know what he is doing, really hope I am right about that one. Plenty of players have been talked up or condemned by fans before, only for the fans to be wrong in the long run. Kennedy is going alright for someone I was told shouldn't even be playing rugby league just last season.

Go to disagree with you regarding Trindall.

All I am saying is that there is a weakness in our halves and Moylan is a contributing factor. It needs to be address and Trindall has done enough to atleast give it a crack.

 

[Deleted member 3365]

Hynes contributes to the attacking driven gameplay which lacks ball security. I don't think Moylan does, I also don't think Trindall fixes it or Hynes wearing a different number fixes it. Fitz and Hynes fix it.

Moylan contributes to the weak tryline defence which is another big issue however he is far from the sole person to blame for this. While we have seen issues across the park and some of them have just been specifically Moylan's fault they have also been the fault of plenty of others (including Hynes). Wilton has been more than a few which wouldn't do Trindall any favours. Something needs to change with how we are defending our tryline, and I don't think that changing specifically Moylan is it. However we can also improve this by fixing the above, teams will score if you let them keep having the ball in your attacking end repeatedly.

I don't think Moylan is anywhere near as bad as some do (doesn't mean I think he is killing it but I think a lot of his good work is being ignored) and I also don't think Trindall is as good as some do. I think the two are quite close actually, but also quite different players. I didn't see anything in that Trindall highlight video which I didn't think Moylan could do, other than a 40/20.
I wouldn't bat an eyelid if Fitz dropped Moylan for Trindall but nor do I think it is outrageous he hasn't.
I also don't believe we have seen proof Trindall is a high level game manager like some claim, just because he played Flegg as a 7 or whatever. We see Moylan regularly addressing team and pointing people into shape, supposedly he offers no game management. Fitz knows if Trindall has better game management skills than Moylan or Nicho. I don't think we know that, despite what some claim.

I do think some fresh blood could give the team a little extra oomf however I also think Fitz probably has a good enough read on Trindall in Cup and NRL to know if that would happen or not. Presumably not if he is also meant to be calming and organising.
Attacking football also energises the team which will come more often if we hold onto it.

While we want to hold a team to a high standard and our ladder position is inflated by byes we are theoretically going okay
Is okay good enough? No
But there are seasons we would have loved to have been 'only able to beat the weak teams'. I accept it must be hard for a second year coach who can see his team going okay to drop an experienced half (his other half apparently gets a lot out of playing with, whether random sharks fans agree with that or not) for a less experienced half with the hope he improves the team in the future. I get that a lot of people in here feel Trindall has earnt the chance but clearly the coach doesn't. Hopefully we have a half decent coach and he knows more than random fans, if not we are ****ed for a while whether with Trindall or Moylan.
Every week Trindall should be learning and gaining experience, there will come a time he gets a chance whether through jumping Moylan or injury to Moylan and I'd love to see him grab it with both hands and run with it.

Remember Trindall's good games at the start of the season, admittedly playing with Moylan not Nicho, we went 1-2, yeah Trindall played pretty good, but Moylan and Nicho are 6-4. Throwing away a 60% winrate pairing for an unknown one just in case it goes better or because fans want you to are probably both incorrect from coaches perspective if he doesn't confidently feel Trindall increases it.

I don't object to Trindall being in the team at all, I don't think he is as good as some claim though.
I do object to concept Nicho and Moylan can't game manage but Trindall can - I think that is very hard to judge unless you're consistently on the sideline and training paddock with them.
And I object to the fact the coach doesn't know what he is doing, really hope I am right about that one. Plenty of players have been talked up or condemned by fans before, only for the fans to be wrong in the long run. Kennedy is going alright for someone I was told shouldn't even be playing rugby league just last season.

Go to disagree with you regarding Trindall.

All I am saying is that there is a weakness in our halves and Moylan is a contributing factor. It needs to be address and Trindall has done enough to atleast give it a crack .

@BurgoShark please ban @bort for that utter disgraceful inaccurate post, and any common sence should not be tolerated on here

Lol **** stirrer.

 

[BurgoShark]

I’d definitely be interested in the numbers on how many games (all grades) Trindall has played with some of these guys vs how many Moylan has

I think you could say Moylan Kennedy and Ronnie have been involved in some good tries too

Without weighing in on the overall argument...

2017: Trindall played for Melbourne
2018 Flegg: Trindall and Wilton (Ronnie out injured all year)
2019 Jets: Trindall, Kennedy, Wilton and Talakai played all year. Ronnie, Brailey and Katoa were parachuted in for the finals.
2020: No NSW Cup
2021: Trindall only played 4 games in Cup
2022: Trindall only played 5 games in Cup

I'm going to guess that outside of NRL Trindall has played less than 15 games with Ronnie, and only about 20 with Kennedy, but he's probably played 50+ with Wilton (rarely if ever on the same edge together).

Other than Wilton, Moylan will have played more with every other regular Sharks player than Trindall has.

 

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I’d definitely be interested in the numbers on how many games (all grades) Trindall has played with some of these guys vs how many Moylan has

I think you could say Moylan Kennedy and Ronnie have been involved in some good tries too

I'd hope you could say that. They've played long enough together, which is your point. Not sure I'd compare coming through the pathways together to being shoved together in first grade though. Panthers being really the only good one example, but we aren't far off

 

[Sparkles]

I'd hope you could say that. They've played long enough together, which is your point. Not sure I'd compare coming through the pathways together to being shoved together in first grade though. Panthers being really the only good one example, but we aren't far off

It's also all but impossible to compare reserve grade performances or combinations to those at first grade level. They're very different. (citation: Flanno scoring four tries in one game playing hooker).

 

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Sure, I ask burgo a question a while ago, no response. As soon as bort needs some stats he comes in like superman recusing his Bortis Lane. Just blow each other already and get it over with.

I do likey those stats though. These guys have been in those pathways together for a long time. When Trindal does get his shot, I don't think we will miss a lot, if not gain something.

 

[bort]

I'd hope you could say that. They've played long enough together, which is your point. Not sure I'd compare coming through the pathways together to being shoved together in first grade though. Panthers being really the only good one example, but we aren't far off

Different opinions I guess
I’d absolutely back two seasons of being shoved together in NRL as comparable to two seasons of being shoved together in Flegg and Cup.

If it was like 5 seasons regular lower grade games vs 18 months in NRL, sure, but for comparable number of games I’m sure currently regularly playing NRL together builds some relationships.
In saying that it turns out Trindall hasn’t played much with most of them anyway.

You can’t be implying Ronnie and Trindall lower grade 15 games is greater familiarity than relationship between Ronnie (75 NRL games) and Moylan (72 in same period) - havent crunched exactly how many they’ve played together but feels like it’s wayyyy more than the estimated 15

 

[Wiz]

Hynes contributes to the attacking driven gameplay which lacks ball security. I don't think Moylan does, I also don't think Trindall fixes it or Hynes wearing a different number fixes it. Fitz and Hynes fix it.

Moylan contributes to the weak tryline defence which is another big issue however he is far from the sole person to blame for this. While we have seen issues across the park and some of them have just been specifically Moylan's fault they have also been the fault of plenty of others (including Hynes). Wilton has been more than a few which wouldn't do Trindall any favours. Something needs to change with how we are defending our tryline, and I don't think that changing specifically Moylan is it. However we can also improve this by fixing the above, teams will score if you let them keep having the ball in your attacking end repeatedly.

I don't think Moylan is anywhere near as bad as some do (doesn't mean I think he is killing it but I think a lot of his good work is being ignored) and I also don't think Trindall is as good as some do. I think the two are quite close actually, but also quite different players. I didn't see anything in that Trindall highlight video which I didn't think Moylan could do, other than a 40/20.
I wouldn't bat an eyelid if Fitz dropped Moylan for Trindall but nor do I think it is outrageous he hasn't.
I also don't believe we have seen proof Trindall is a high level game manager like some claim, just because he played Flegg as a 7 or whatever. We see Moylan regularly addressing team and pointing people into shape, supposedly he offers no game management. Fitz knows if Trindall has better game management skills than Moylan or Nicho. I don't think we know that, despite what some claim.

I do think some fresh blood could give the team a little extra oomf however I also think Fitz probably has a good enough read on Trindall in Cup and NRL to know if that would happen or not. Presumably not if he is also meant to be calming and organising.
Attacking football also energises the team which will come more often if we hold onto it.

While we want to hold a team to a high standard and our ladder position is inflated by byes we are theoretically going okay
Is okay good enough? No
But there are seasons we would have loved to have been 'only able to beat the weak teams'. I accept it must be hard for a second year coach who can see his team going okay to drop an experienced half (his other half apparently gets a lot out of playing with, whether random sharks fans agree with that or not) for a less experienced half with the hope he improves the team in the future. I get that a lot of people in here feel Trindall has earnt the chance but clearly the coach doesn't. Hopefully we have a half decent coach and he knows more than random fans, if not we are ****ed for a while whether with Trindall or Moylan.
Every week Trindall should be learning and gaining experience, there will come a time he gets a chance whether through jumping Moylan or injury to Moylan and I'd love to see him grab it with both hands and run with it.

Remember Trindall's good games at the start of the season, admittedly playing with Moylan not Nicho, we went 1-2, yeah Trindall played pretty good, but Moylan and Nicho are 6-4. Throwing away a 60% winrate pairing for an unknown one just in case it goes better or because fans want you to are probably both incorrect from coaches perspective if he doesn't confidently feel Trindall increases it.

I don't object to Trindall being in the team at all, I don't think he is as good as some claim though.
I do object to concept Nicho and Moylan can't game manage but Trindall can - I think that is very hard to judge unless you're consistently on the sideline and training paddock with them.
And I object to the fact the coach doesn't know what he is doing, really hope I am right about that one. Plenty of players have been talked up or condemned by fans before, only for the fans to be wrong in the long run. Kennedy is going alright for someone I was told shouldn't even be playing rugby league just last season.

All that text just to say you don’t object to Trindall getting a run

FMD

 

[BurgoShark]

Sure, I ask burgo a question a while ago, no response. As soon as bort needs some stats he comes in like superman recusing his Bortis Lane. Just blow each other already and get it over with.

I do likey those stats though. These guys have been in those pathways together for a long time. When Trindal does get his shot, I don't think we will miss a lot, if not gain something.

sorry mate. Hadn't been on in a couple of days and only looked at this page. Was that the question?

The pathways guys pretty much came though in groups of 2-3 each year. They all played a little with some of the guys a year older or younger, but mostly with the guys in the same group.

Kennedy, Ramien and Katoa
Brailey and Nikora
Trindall, Wilton and Mulitalo (with Mulitalo injured most of the time)

 

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Different opinions I guess
I’d absolutely back two seasons of being shoved together in NRL as comparable to two seasons of being shoved together in Flegg and Cup.

If it was like 5 seasons regular lower grade games vs 18 months in NRL, sure, but for comparable number of games I’m sure currently regularly playing NRL together builds some relationships.
In saying that it turns out Trindall hasn’t played much with most of them anyway.

You can’t be implying Ronnie and Trindall lower grade 15 games is greater familiarity than relationship between Ronnie (75 NRL games) and Moylan (72 in same period) - havent crunched exactly how many they’ve played together but feels like it’s wayyyy more than the estimated 15

Not so much the games played together, but the years they've been together. The numbers sure do skew my point, but I'm sticking to my guns, that being, when Moylan does move on and Trindall replaces him that we won't skip a beat, maybe even gain a point of difference from familiarity from being in the same systems (not necessarily team) since 2018 with that core coming into their peak.

 

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Not so much the games played together, but the years they've been together. The numbers sure do skew my point, but I'm sticking to my guns, that being, when Moylan does move on and Trindall replaces him that we won't skip a beat, maybe even gain a point of difference from familiarity from being in the same systems (not necessarily team) since 2018 with that core coming into their peak.

I guess we just disagree, that’s fine. I certainly can’t promise I am right.

I understand where you are coming from but I just can’t see that Trindall has spent enough time training and playing with most of these guys to suggest he has a substantially (point of difference) better relationship with them than Moylan who has been playing consistent first grade with them.

Moylan has been in the same systems since 2018 too, and played way more actual football with them.
But that’s just how I perceive it.

 

[Western Sharkie]

Used to be, certainly not the case the last couple of seasons.

Yeah what’s with that?? Now that we want him to be. He isn’t!

Very selfish of him….

 

[bort]

Yeah what’s with that?? Now that we want him to be. He isn’t!

Very selfish of him….

I assume it’s since they can actually be activate now and aren’t just a training body

 

[Sparkles]

I guess we just disagree, that’s fine. I certainly can’t promise I am right.

I understand where you are coming from but I just can’t see that Trindall has spent enough time training and playing with most of these guys to suggest he has a substantially (point of difference) better relationship with them than Moylan who has been playing consistent first grade with them.

Moylan has been in the same systems since 2018 too, and played way more actual football with them.
But that’s just how I perceive it.

Your perceiving facts as facts is going against the grain and proving to be pretty annoying

 

[Wiz]

Without weighing in on the overall argument...

2017: Trindall played for Melbourne
2018 Flegg: Trindall and Wilton (Ronnie out injured all year)
2019 Jets: Trindall, Kennedy, Wilton and Talakai played all year. Ronnie, Brailey and Katoa were parachuted in for the finals.
2020: No NSW Cup
2021: Trindall only played 4 games in Cup
2022: Trindall only played 5 games in Cup

I'm going to guess that outside of NRL Trindall has played less than 15 games with Ronnie, and only about 20 with Kennedy, but he's probably played 50+ with Wilton (rarely if ever on the same edge together).

Other than Wilton, Moylan will have played more with every other regular Sharks player than Trindall has.

Trindalls connection with Kennedy on the field is obvious, he also seems to click well with Nikora

I would put money on it that Trindall is closer to those boys off the field then Moylan is


Some players just get each other, SJ/Nikora clicked pretty quick also despite the time spent playing together

 

[Capital_Shark]

****en Moylan huh he's even a shitter mate lol

 

[Sparkles]

Trindalls connection with Kennedy on the field is obvious, he also seems to click well with Nikora

I would put money on it that Trindall is closer to those boys off the field then Moylan is


Some players just get each other, SJ/Nikora clicked pretty quick also despite the time spent playing together

Does Trindall wear slides or sandals?

 

[Capital_Shark]

Does Trindall wear slides or sandals?

He floats

 

[Wiz]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1670197125806981120

Just wasting away in NSW cup.. that last try was