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Used to be, certainly not the case the last couple of seasons.
It's quite evident some people aren't even watching him play which makes it hard to take suggestions he needs to be dropped seriously.

The old we won't win a Premiership with X holds very little credibility also, given some people still said it about Chad after 2016
 

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The thing is, a few are saying that there is a "bigger problem" in the team and changing Hynes' partner ain't gonna change the "bigger problem".

We can't change the "bigger problem" in one sitting. You need to start with the small fixable areas, e.g.

1. Halves - issue is Moylan is not up for it, defensively he gets run over, attacking-wise he is slow and offers minimal besides the slick hands. Maybe let's get Trindall in who can defend, who has variety in his passing and kicking and can bring energy to the game. Who also has time to develop.

2. Forwards - our forwards are looking busted and/or only offer below average service. How about McInnes at starting lock, and promote Hazelton and Coulqhoun onto the bench? Might bring more, but hey maybe that's another small attribute of the "bigger problem" addressed.

Yes, there might be a whole attitude issue aswell, but how is Fitz changing the attitude when every week it's the same story? Dropped balls, missed tackles, pushing every play, slow line defence, penalties etc. It looks like his way of addressing the problems is by keeping those who contribute to those problems, and we can't act like it's all new to us, this has been a thing since last year.
People argue on here just like to argue for the sake of arguing and type words

What you’re saying above is common sense at this point
 

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Used to be, certainly not the case the last couple of seasons.
I get your point and fair call re: past injuries etc but he won't throw himself into defence (without care for life or limb) or run flat out for risk of doing a hammy. I see him on the decline where as I see Trindall has at least the possibility to improve.
 

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The thing is, a few are saying that there is a "bigger problem" in the team and changing Hynes' partner ain't gonna change the "bigger problem".

We can't change the "bigger problem" in one sitting. You need to start with the small fixable areas, e.g.

1. Halves - issue is Moylan is not up for it, defensively he gets run over, attacking-wise he is slow and offers minimal besides the slick hands. Maybe let's get Trindall in who can defend, who has variety in his passing and kicking and can bring energy to the game. Who also has time to develop.

2. Forwards - our forwards are looking busted and/or only offer below average service. How about McInnes at starting lock, and promote Hazelton and Coulqhoun onto the bench? Might bring more, but hey maybe that's another small attribute of the "bigger problem" addressed.

Yes, there might be a whole attitude issue aswell, but how is Fitz changing the attitude when every week it's the same story? Dropped balls, missed tackles, pushing every play, slow line defence, penalties etc. It looks like his way of addressing the problems is by keeping those who contribute to those problems, and we can't act like it's all new to us, this has been a thing since last year.

Agree step by step and it's the right time to start.
 

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Bring Trindall in now, not because he's going to be the saviour or answer, but because we have already seen what the Moylan Hynes pairing offers, and the results wont change. Moylan is at the end of his career, bring in his younger replacement who is ready, and give him time to build his game and combination with Hynes. If the combination goes well, then they can continue to elevate for next two seasons and we will be better for making that call mid season. But if its a disaster and doesnt work, we still have Moylan for next season as an option along with Dykes and Atkinson, or we see whos on the market and could also shop Moylan around.

Cowies are already shopping Townsend around, and look set to sign Brooks. If true, theyre not f#ckn around, even though chad helped them finish 3rd, and go to a prelim final in his first season there, they dont want him after his performances this year. Are we going to persist with Moylan Hynes combo for another year (2024)
 
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Also need to add some balance :)


Times:
  • 1st Half - 31:20
  • Second Half - 50:20, 54:40

I'm keen for him to get into first grade, I just don't want to see the bipolar reaction when he makes a few mistakes as well.

But thats the thing, I know he will make mistakes and he isn't going to be perfect. With that though, he is only 23 and still developing, he isn't our saviour but he might be able to help correct our issue in the halves and on our left edge defence.

We won't know until we try.
 

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It is now very clear we will not be challenging for the title this year. Moylan peaked years ago and will not be in a squad that wins us a GF. He is both physically and mentally fragile. It's time to look towards the future and bring Trindall in because in the next few years he well may be.
People said the same about Townsend. Certainly not saying you're wrong, just thinking about how tough it would be to rank any of our current squad ahead of their 2016 predessesor (including 2016 Wade vs 2023 Wade).

Actually, have we done that before? Would be an interesting thread.
Maybe you could interchange the 7 and 6 to make it a fairer fight.
 

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Cowies are already shopping Townsend around, and look set to sign Brooks. If true, theyre not f#ckn around, even though chad helped them finish 3rd, and go to a prelim final in his first season there, they dont want him after his performances this year. Are we going to persist with Moylan Hynes combo for another year (2024)
I genuinely don't care, but I do remember reading that both Townsend and Payton are on record as saying Chad would be around for a good time longer. Things could have changed but I don't think that was too long ago.
 

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Even though i prefer having an all forward bench, for Fitz to play it safe or not having to drop Moylan completely, just put him on the bench. Fitz has already wasted a bench spot in the past putting Trindall and Tracey as cover or giving small minutes. He could try get Moylan to ball play in the middle for a stint also. First senior to go or make way is Wade, make him 18th man and free up a bench spot
 

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To say the Jets have lost leads with him in and out of the team sounds like a Jets issue not a Trindall issue.

Remember we are just suggesting we give him a go, he ain't going to set the world on fire, but he has more in his arsenal to help our team and more time to develop those skills.
the suggestions are he has better game management and defense, neither of which are evident in his games for the jets or first grade.

The thing is, a few are saying that there is a "bigger problem" in the team and changing Hynes' partner ain't gonna change the "bigger problem".

We can't change the "bigger problem" in one sitting. You need to start with the small fixable areas, e.g.

1. Halves - issue is Moylan is not up for it, defensively he gets run over, attacking-wise he is slow and offers minimal besides the slick hands. Maybe let's get Trindall in who can defend, who has variety in his passing and kicking and can bring energy to the game. Who also has time to develop.

2. Forwards - our forwards are looking busted and/or only offer below average service. How about McInnes at starting lock, and promote Hazelton and Coulqhoun onto the bench? Might bring more, but hey maybe that's another small attribute of the "bigger problem" addressed.

Yes, there might be a whole attitude issue aswell, but how is Fitz changing the attitude when every week it's the same story? Dropped balls, missed tackles, pushing every play, slow line defence, penalties etc. It looks like his way of addressing the problems is by keeping those who contribute to those problems, and we can't act like it's all new to us, this has been a thing since last year.
if you want better defense and speed you pick atkinson
 

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The thing is, a few are saying that there is a "bigger problem" in the team and changing Hynes' partner ain't gonna change the "bigger problem".

We can't change the "bigger problem" in one sitting. You need to start with the small fixable areas, e.g.

1. Halves - issue is Moylan is not up for it, defensively he gets run over, attacking-wise he is slow and offers minimal besides the slick hands. Maybe let's get Trindall in who can defend, who has variety in his passing and kicking and can bring energy to the game. Who also has time to develop.

2. Forwards - our forwards are looking busted and/or only offer below average service. How about McInnes at starting lock, and promote Hazelton and Coulqhoun onto the bench? Might bring more, but hey maybe that's another small attribute of the "bigger problem" addressed.

Yes, there might be a whole attitude issue aswell, but how is Fitz changing the attitude when every week it's the same story? Dropped balls, missed tackles, pushing every play, slow line defence, penalties etc. It looks like his way of addressing the problems is by keeping those who contribute to those problems, and we can't act like it's all new to us, this has been a thing since last year.
But if Trindall isn’t influential enough to point the Jets in the right direction why would the coach suspect he can do it in the NRL?

To say the Jets have lost leads with him in and out of the team sounds like a Jets issue not a Trindall issue.
If it’s a Jets issue whether he is there or not it’s probably a sharks issue whether he is there or not, which suggests he’d have little positive impact, doesn’t it?
 

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It is now very clear we will not be challenging for the title this year. Moylan peaked years ago and will not be in a squad that wins us a GF. He is both physically and mentally fragile. It's time to look towards the future and bring Trindall in because in the next few years he well may be.
I like that you’ve gone one step further and not only could we not win a Prem with him in a team but even just being in squad loses us a GF!
 
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the suggestions are he has better game management and defense, neither of which are evident in his games for the jets or first grade.


if you want better defense and speed you pick atkinson

Got to disagree though, Trindall is definitely worth a look at. His doing a good job in Newtown and showed spark in his first hit outs this year.

But if Trindall isn’t influential enough to point the Jets in the right direction why would the coach suspect he can do it in the NRL?


If it’s a Jets issue whether he is there or not it’s probably a sharks issue whether he is there or not, which suggests he’d have little positive impact, doesn’t it?

He definitely has a positive influence for Newtown Jets, cannot deny that.

As I said previously, it's about small fixes to address the issues that contribute to the bigger problem. Trindall doesn't fix the big issue alone, but it will be a start.

For curiousity sake, do you think our current halves don't contribute to the "bigger problem"?
 

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Got to disagree though, Trindall is definitely worth a look at. His doing a good job in Newtown and showed spark in his first hit outs this year.



He definitely has a positive influence for Newtown Jets, cannot deny that.

As I said previously, it's about small fixes to address the issues that contribute to the bigger problem. Trindall doesn't fix the big issue alone, but it will be a start.

For curiousity sake, do you think our current halves don't contribute to the "bigger problem"?
Hynes contributes to the attacking driven gameplay which lacks ball security. I don't think Moylan does, I also don't think Trindall fixes it or Hynes wearing a different number fixes it. Fitz and Hynes fix it.

Moylan contributes to the weak tryline defence which is another big issue however he is far from the sole person to blame for this. While we have seen issues across the park and some of them have just been specifically Moylan's fault they have also been the fault of plenty of others (including Hynes). Wilton has been more than a few which wouldn't do Trindall any favours. Something needs to change with how we are defending our tryline, and I don't think that changing specifically Moylan is it. However we can also improve this by fixing the above, teams will score if you let them keep having the ball in your attacking end repeatedly.

I don't think Moylan is anywhere near as bad as some do (doesn't mean I think he is killing it but I think a lot of his good work is being ignored) and I also don't think Trindall is as good as some do. I think the two are quite close actually, but also quite different players. I didn't see anything in that Trindall highlight video which I didn't think Moylan could do, other than a 40/20.
I wouldn't bat an eyelid if Fitz dropped Moylan for Trindall but nor do I think it is outrageous he hasn't.
I also don't believe we have seen proof Trindall is a high level game manager like some claim, just because he played Flegg as a 7 or whatever. We see Moylan regularly addressing team and pointing people into shape, supposedly he offers no game management. Fitz knows if Trindall has better game management skills than Moylan or Nicho. I don't think we know that, despite what some claim.

I do think some fresh blood could give the team a little extra oomf however I also think Fitz probably has a good enough read on Trindall in Cup and NRL to know if that would happen or not. Presumably not if he is also meant to be calming and organising.
Attacking football also energises the team which will come more often if we hold onto it.

While we want to hold a team to a high standard and our ladder position is inflated by byes we are theoretically going okay
Is okay good enough? No
But there are seasons we would have loved to have been 'only able to beat the weak teams'. I accept it must be hard for a second year coach who can see his team going okay to drop an experienced half (his other half apparently gets a lot out of playing with, whether random sharks fans agree with that or not) for a less experienced half with the hope he improves the team in the future. I get that a lot of people in here feel Trindall has earnt the chance but clearly the coach doesn't. Hopefully we have a half decent coach and he knows more than random fans, if not we are ****ed for a while whether with Trindall or Moylan.
Every week Trindall should be learning and gaining experience, there will come a time he gets a chance whether through jumping Moylan or injury to Moylan and I'd love to see him grab it with both hands and run with it.

Remember Trindall's good games at the start of the season, admittedly playing with Moylan not Nicho, we went 1-2, yeah Trindall played pretty good, but Moylan and Nicho are 6-4. Throwing away a 60% winrate pairing for an unknown one just in case it goes better or because fans want you to are probably both incorrect from coaches perspective if he doesn't confidently feel Trindall increases it.

I don't object to Trindall being in the team at all, I don't think he is as good as some claim though.
I do object to concept Nicho and Moylan can't game manage but Trindall can - I think that is very hard to judge unless you're consistently on the sideline and training paddock with them.
And I object to the fact the coach doesn't know what he is doing, really hope I am right about that one. Plenty of players have been talked up or condemned by fans before, only for the fans to be wrong in the long run. Kennedy is going alright for someone I was told shouldn't even be playing rugby league just last season.
 

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Moylan contributes to the weak tryline defence which is another big issue however he is far from the sole person to blame for this. While we have seen issues across the park and some of them have just been specifically Moylan's fault they have also been the fault of plenty of others (including Hynes). Wilton has been more than a few which wouldn't do Trindall any favours. Something needs to change with how we are defending our tryline, and I don't think that changing specifically Moylan is it. However we can also improve this by fixing the above, teams will score if you let them keep having the ball in your attacking end repeatedly.
on this, i dont think it helps that ronnie is very poor at reading what is coming. so very little talk from the outside. sifa doesnt seem much better than ronnie at the moment.
both are great with ball in hand.
the left side looked more solid defensively with tracey at centre
 

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Hynes contributes to the attacking driven gameplay which lacks ball security. I don't think Moylan does, I also don't think Trindall fixes it or Hynes wearing a different number fixes it. Fitz and Hynes fix it.

Moylan contributes to the weak tryline defence which is another big issue however he is far from the sole person to blame for this. While we have seen issues across the park and some of them have just been specifically Moylan's fault they have also been the fault of plenty of others (including Hynes). Wilton has been more than a few which wouldn't do Trindall any favours. Something needs to change with how we are defending our tryline, and I don't think that changing specifically Moylan is it. However we can also improve this by fixing the above, teams will score if you let them keep having the ball in your attacking end repeatedly.

I don't think Moylan is anywhere near as bad as some do (doesn't mean I think he is killing it but I think a lot of his good work is being ignored) and I also don't think Trindall is as good as some do. I think the two are quite close actually, but also quite different players. I didn't see anything in that Trindall highlight video which I didn't think Moylan could do, other than a 40/20.
I wouldn't bat an eyelid if Fitz dropped Moylan for Trindall but nor do I think it is outrageous he hasn't.
I also don't believe we have seen proof Trindall is a high level game manager like some claim, just because he played Flegg as a 7 or whatever. We see Moylan regularly addressing team and pointing people into shape, supposedly he offers no game management. Fitz knows if Trindall has better game management skills than Moylan or Nicho. I don't think we know that, despite what some claim.

I do think some fresh blood could give the team a little extra oomf however I also think Fitz probably has a good enough read on Trindall in Cup and NRL to know if that would happen or not. Presumably not if he is also meant to be calming and organising.
Attacking football also energises the team which will come more often if we hold onto it.

While we want to hold a team to a high standard and our ladder position is inflated by byes we are theoretically going okay
Is okay good enough? No
But there are seasons we would have loved to have been 'only able to beat the weak teams'. I accept it must be hard for a second year coach who can see his team going okay to drop an experienced half (his other half apparently gets a lot out of playing with, whether random sharks fans agree with that or not) for a less experienced half with the hope he improves the team in the future. I get that a lot of people in here feel Trindall has earnt the chance but clearly the coach doesn't. Hopefully we have a half decent coach and he knows more than random fans, if not we are ****ed for a while whether with Trindall or Moylan.
Every week Trindall should be learning and gaining experience, there will come a time he gets a chance whether through jumping Moylan or injury to Moylan and I'd love to see him grab it with both hands and run with it.

Remember Trindall's good games at the start of the season, admittedly playing with Moylan not Nicho, we went 1-2, yeah Trindall played pretty good, but Moylan and Nicho are 6-4. Throwing away a 60% winrate pairing for an unknown one just in case it goes better or because fans want you to are probably both incorrect from coaches perspective if he doesn't confidently feel Trindall increases it.

I don't object to Trindall being in the team at all, I don't think he is as good as some claim though.
I do object to concept Nicho and Moylan can't game manage but Trindall can - I think that is very hard to judge unless you're consistently on the sideline and training paddock with them.
And I object to the fact the coach doesn't know what he is doing, really hope I am right about that one. Plenty of players have been talked up or condemned by fans before, only for the fans to be wrong in the long run. Kennedy is going alright for someone I was told shouldn't even be playing rugby league just last season.
Tough gig following up after this.

One thing Trindal does have that Moylan doesn't is his experience with the team. A lot of our team has been together for a couple of premierships in the lower grades, Trindal was a part of all that.

Some of our nicest tries have been with Kennedy, Ronnie and Trindall involved. These boys know how to play football together.

We've just got to be patient. Fitz seems like he is playing a bit of long game thing here. He probably hoped trindall would be ready come the end of the Moylans contact, but some good appearances from Trindal and a few bad ones from Moylan make you question Fitz.

I'm happy to take my time with a half and making him really earn it. Not quite the same scenario but I'd hate for us to do what we did to Albert Kelly.
 
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