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Sorry Sev , are you actually Aiden
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He's the only one that understands my pain
You have all season to keep bringing it up if u want.
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I think he plays his role. Just gets hurt so much that he can’t build momentum through a season.
Got any examples of his poor lateral defence? Im
keen to re-watch.
FWIW I think BHU and Kaufusi are the only genuine “props” in this team. I reckon they anre under different instructions. Even Tom and Royce (similar size/weight) will chase hard from A like jackrabbits or cover an edge for a set if needed. Those two don’t. They are “stay in the middle channel and conserve energy” props.
Are you right if he is a healthy scratch once? Or does making the 17 when there are other healthy props just once sink your theory?
I appreciate (what I perceive to be) how bold it is!
And actually putting some explanation to why you believe it
Happy to see other bold predictions (with an explanation) and big credit if it comes off
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Is there such a thing as an unhealthy scratch?
Yeah but I think there is a cream for it
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mmm this is NOT good news, one step forward with AFB, half step back here.
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I'd agree. It seems the role is going out of fashion though so maybe Fitz doesn't mind mixing the role up. I do see why we would want to keep BHU even with AFB coming, but I can also see us being happy enough to lose him and adjust as needed.
The prop is a funny role these days... I mean, we rarely even use all of our subs, so carrying a big guy that's blowing after 10 minutes and needing to conserve energy must not look too attractive anymore. Is there a benefit you can see from a big body impact player who probably bends the line more but has a slower PTB and low optimal minutes, or a smaller body with a faster PTB and able to keep the intensity longer (generalising of course)? The right answers probably whatever suits the particular team the best.
Some of that is directly relevant to your comment
Thought it was an interesting line of conversation to throw out there.
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No, more like one giant step forward with AFB and one teeny tiny step back with BHU going
I personally never thought we'd keep BHU once we signed AFB. Think it was foolish to think we could afford both, particularly with what BHU could command given lack of good props around.
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I'd say the Sharks in particular value more mobile guys at different stages of the game. That's probably in-part why Fitz likes playing McInnes and Williams from the bench even though many would say that they are "better" players than guys who have started plenty of games (it's hard to catch out a tired player with footspeed and a quick ptb in the 5th minute). Cowboys have been bringing Cotter off the bench for a similar reason imho.
I don't think the Sharks have any big lumbering players who get slow ptbs, but that's more down to either good work by Brailey or good interchange of passing and push support among the forwards. It's the way the Sharks play that creates the quick ptb's back-to-back-to-back. I think some of the bigger guys like Tom and Oregon might not be as effective in a different style or with different hooker/lock feeding them the ball.
Imo the biggest differentiators stylistically between BHU/Kaufusi and the rest of the forwards are defensive work-rate and how often they run inside their own 20. That's what I mean when I say that those guys will conserve energy.
E.g. Kaufusi actually takes almost as many runs as Williams overall, but takes less than half as many runs inside his own 20.
I'd guess that they do less East-West running in attack during a game too, but I haven't measured that.
Yeah - always fun to look in to the middles from different angles.Some of that is directly relevant to your comment
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That's definitely something the forum battles with - are your 'best' players better coming off the bench or starting?
Talakai and Toby are pretty solid starters, but geez they were beasts off the bench. Same with Hunt. It's often seemed we've had a team of impact bench forwards but not true starters.
That's true. You see teams like Penrith (and I think Melbourne from memory, at their best at least) playing like they've perfected the art of who needs to take the next hit up... it's more like a rolling ruck with players pounding the space between marker and defender quickly and constantly. I don't think we're quite there, but with Nicho we also play a different style I suppose.
Big middle of the field anchors
Perve.
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Carrying on from a discussion around Toby's performance pre and post his injury, I thought I'd look at similar data for some other players.
The graph below maps the amount of minutes the player spent on attack against the amount of total metres they ran. For all middles, metres doesn't measure a player's performance, but it's a very reliable indicator of how much attacking opportunity the player saw (how often his team had the ball when he was on the field). The trendline here shows up what we should expect that player to do if he is playing consistently week to week. Anything a long way below the line is less than expected so calls for further investigation.
While we can't really see evidence of Toby's injury in the data, we certainly can for BHU's.
For BHU
- Nearly all of the games before the Nani hip drop are above what is expected in terms of involvement (rounds 1-9).
- After returning from that injury (rounds 12-17) he didn't have any huge games but his involvement was still comparable to his early season output (close enough to the line to say he was doing his job as expected)
- When he got hurt on the opening kick-off of round 18 his output dropped and it never came back up to his earlier level except when he played really low minutes.
This is a really clear example of a player had an injury and then ran for less metres than expected after returning - so either he was underdone or still injured (or both). Interestingly though, it also gives show us that BHU is capable of coming back from an injury and quickly getting back very close to his normal level of involvement (though he did get lucky with the team having a bye in round 13).
The graph below maps the amount of minutes the player spent on attack against the amount of total metres they ran. For all middles, metres doesn't measure a player's performance, but it's a very reliable indicator of how much attacking opportunity the player saw (how often his team had the ball when he was on the field). The trendline here shows up what we should expect that player to do if he is playing consistently week to week. Anything a long way below the line is less than expected so calls for further investigation.
While we can't really see evidence of Toby's injury in the data, we certainly can for BHU's.
For BHU
- Nearly all of the games before the Nani hip drop are above what is expected in terms of involvement (rounds 1-9).
- After returning from that injury (rounds 12-17) he didn't have any huge games but his involvement was still comparable to his early season output (close enough to the line to say he was doing his job as expected)
- When he got hurt on the opening kick-off of round 18 his output dropped and it never came back up to his earlier level except when he played really low minutes.
This is a really clear example of a player had an injury and then ran for less metres than expected after returning - so either he was underdone or still injured (or both). Interestingly though, it also gives show us that BHU is capable of coming back from an injury and quickly getting back very close to his normal level of involvement (though he did get lucky with the team having a bye in round 13).
I understand there's a salary cap but man it'd be great to have Uele here next year backing up AFB.
If Uele can stay fit that'd be the best one-two punch in the NRL.