Official Braden Hamlin-Uele

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BHU, Toby, Finucane, Brailey, McInnes are all in the best 17. Everyone else is competing for a job in the pre-season. For mine Williams, Hunt and Kaufusi all play a similar role (low minutes wrapped around halftime) so one of those drops off.

Didn’t Royce start far more games than he played off the bench last season?

 

[Western Sharkie]

Didn’t Royce start far more games than he played off the bench last season?

Maybe due to injuries to BHU and Williams

 

[andrew's_sharks]

BHU, Toby, Finucane, Brailey, McInnes are all in the best 17. Everyone else is competing for a job in the pre-season. For mine Williams, Hunt and Kaufusi all play a similar role (low minutes wrapped around halftime) so one of those drops off.

I think we do better with Royce starting and BHU coming off the bench.

 

[Gumby]

I think we do better with Royce starting and BHU coming off the bench.

Agreed

 

[Thresher]

Definitely at least one of those two starting.

Bit of muss for the opening exchanges.

 

[Proud Shark]

Kaufusi to start and be the form prop of the comp.

 

[HaroldBishop]

Kaufusi to start and be the form prop of the comp.

Sounds like a potential new avatar?

 

[Deleted member 2543]

Didn’t Royce start far more games than he played off the bench last season?

What he said

Maybe due to injuries to BHU and Williams

... and Finucane injury/suspension.

 

[andrew's_sharks]

Before that Hunt had a serious knee injury. So nut sure the would mean BHU gets a start over him. Hunt was turning into an excellent impact prop late in the year. I think they are both crucial if we are to be successful this year. But I still think Hunt will start.

 

[andrew's_sharks]

Kaufusi to start and be the form prop of the comp.

Hopefully! I have seen some comments saying he is not that good, but the truth is at the same age he is better than any of our current props were. I also think a lot of people fail to see how good he is at getting back into the line and in the right defensive positions. No doubt Fitz has seen this.

 

[Deleted member 2543]

Before that Hunt had a serious knee injury. So nut sure the would mean BHU gets a start over him. Hunt was turning into an excellent impact prop late in the year. I think they are both crucial if we are to be successful this year. But I still think Hunt will start.

Obviously the injury is a factor. Here's how the season went though...

- Rounds 1-6 Williams and BHU were picked ahead of Hunt and both played more minutes than him.
- Finucane and BHU were both injured in round 6.
- Round 7 both Tolman and Williams played more minutes than Hunt
- Round 8 Williams got hurt, and Tolman played more minutes than Hunt
- Round 9 Finucane returned. Hunt didn't play
- Round 10 Williams returned, but got injured again. Hunt played from the bench and got similar minutes to Tolman. Fifita didn't play.
- Rounds 11- 14 with the team missing all 3 of BHU, Williams and Finucane, Hunt became the starting prop, playing a little more than Fifita but always less than Tolman.
- Round 15-17 Finucane retuned. Hunt's minutes stayed consistent
- Round 18-19 BHU returned (from the bench). Hunt's minutes stayed consistent
- Round 20 Hunt started but got injured early and missed the following week
- Round 22 he returned and started. Played less minutes than everyone except Colquhoun
- Rounds 23-25 Toby was out. Hunt started and played his highest minutes ever
- Finals #1 he started and played his usual minutes (less than 30), but got another short stint when the game went to extra time
- He missed finals #2 injured.

What all of this tells me is that as the season went on, Hunt played his way ahead of Tolman and Fifita - but not anyone else. He wasn't a regular in the team until 3 middle forwards all got injured, and the only time his minutes went up was when Rudolf was out injured. In those same games BHU still played more than him.

Fitz wants to play a certain way, which dictates that a genuine prop is on the field for the opening 20. There were times in 2022 when Royce Hunt was the best choice to play that opening 20, but on average he played less than 6-7 minutes/game after the 20-minute mark. When everyone is healthy, he may still end up being the guy who wears the #10, but a healthy BHU is playing more minutes than him every time.

 

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What he said

... and Finucane injury/suspension.

(and now all of the above)
I know how he ended up starting, just saying I don't think he specifically plays 'low minutes wrapped around halftime'.
Even if that is where he is "best" he's quite clearly capable of starting. His lower total time on field doesn't change the fact a lot of it was as a starter.

Hunt even just started a World Cup final over Papali'i (and Leniu & Taupau but you'd probably expect those ones).

He's a low minute prop, I just don't think he is a prop who can only play around halftime.

 

[andrew's_sharks]

Obviously the injury is a factor. Here's how the season went though...

- Rounds 1-6 Williams and BHU were picked ahead of Hunt and both played more minutes than him.
- Finucane and BHU were both injured in round 6.
- Round 7 both Tolman and Williams played more minutes than Hunt
- Round 8 Williams got hurt, and Tolman played more minutes than Hunt
- Round 9 Finucane returned. Hunt didn't play
- Round 10 Williams returned, but got injured again. Hunt played from the bench and got similar minutes to Tolman. Fifita didn't play.
- Rounds 11- 14 with the team missing all 3 of BHU, Williams and Finucane, Hunt became the starting prop, playing a little more than Fifita but always less than Tolman.
- Round 15-17 Finucane retuned. Hunt's minutes stayed consistent
- Round 18-19 BHU returned (from the bench). Hunt's minutes stayed consistent
- Round 20 Hunt started but got injured early and missed the following week
- Round 22 he returned and started. Played less minutes than everyone except Colquhoun
- Rounds 23-25 Toby was out. Hunt started and played his highest minutes ever
- Finals #1 he started and played his usual minutes (less than 30), but got another short stint when the game went to extra time
- He missed finals #2 injured.

What all of this tells me is that as the season went on, Hunt played his way ahead of Tolman and Fifita - but not anyone else. He wasn't a regular in the team until 3 middle forwards all got injured, and the only time his minutes went up was when Rudolf was out injured. In those same games BHU still played more than him.

Fitz wants to play a certain way, which dictates that a genuine prop is on the field for the opening 20. There were times in 2022 when Royce Hunt was the best choice to play that opening 20, but on average he played less than 6-7 minutes/game after the 20-minute mark. When everyone is healthy, he may still end up being the guy who wears the #10, but a healthy BHU is playing more minutes than him every time.

I don't doubt the playing more than him comment. Just saying I think Hunt will start and BHU will play either side of half time.

 

[Sparkles]

Obviously the injury is a factor. Here's how the season went though...

- Rounds 1-6 Williams and BHU were picked ahead of Hunt and both played more minutes than him.
- Finucane and BHU were both injured in round 6.
- Round 7 both Tolman and Williams played more minutes than Hunt
- Round 8 Williams got hurt, and Tolman played more minutes than Hunt
- Round 9 Finucane returned. Hunt didn't play
- Round 10 Williams returned, but got injured again. Hunt played from the bench and got similar minutes to Tolman. Fifita didn't play.
- Rounds 11- 14 with the team missing all 3 of BHU, Williams and Finucane, Hunt became the starting prop, playing a little more than Fifita but always less than Tolman.
- Round 15-17 Finucane retuned. Hunt's minutes stayed consistent
- Round 18-19 BHU returned (from the bench). Hunt's minutes stayed consistent
- Round 20 Hunt started but got injured early and missed the following week
- Round 22 he returned and started. Played less minutes than everyone except Colquhoun
- Rounds 23-25 Toby was out. Hunt started and played his highest minutes ever
- Finals #1 he started and played his usual minutes (less than 30), but got another short stint when the game went to extra time
- He missed finals #2 injured.

What all of this tells me is that as the season went on, Hunt played his way ahead of Tolman and Fifita - but not anyone else. He wasn't a regular in the team until 3 middle forwards all got injured, and the only time his minutes went up was when Rudolf was out injured. In those same games BHU still played more than him.

Fitz wants to play a certain way, which dictates that a genuine prop is on the field for the opening 20. There were times in 2022 when Royce Hunt was the best choice to play that opening 20, but on average he played less than 6-7 minutes/game after the 20-minute mark. When everyone is healthy, he may still end up being the guy who wears the #10, but a healthy BHU is playing more minutes than him every time.

And as that shows, to be fair to Hunt, he's only just emerged in our pack. BHU and Williams were ahead of him and did good enough jobs to keep him out. I think now Hunt has played himself into that echelon and he's on the rise.

I would prefer he starts over BHU at this stage. BHU seems to be getting a few injuries and looks better on reduced minutes, while Hunt seems to play with the same punch no matter how long he's on for (wondering if you have a chart to verify?)... He feels like a bigger Talakai!

 

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And as that shows, to be fair to Hunt, he's only just emerged in our pack. BHU and Williams were ahead of him and did good enough jobs to keep him out. I think now Hunt has played himself into that echelon and he's on the rise.

I would prefer he starts over BHU at this stage. BHU seems to be getting a few injuries and looks better on reduced minutes, while Hunt seems to play with the same punch no matter how long he's on for (wondering if you have a chart to verify?)... He feels like a bigger Talakai!

Not sure that is fair to BHU, he was very good early last season when starting. Was post injury he struggled to re-find form. May very well be capable of getting back to playing his best regardless of whether it is starting or bench. I think the injury/interruption were more of a factor than the role change/minutes.
Started the season playing 35, 34, 40, 39, 44, 32 (probably would have played another 6 if not injured) and his season average ended up being 33 so was doing 'above average' time on field at start of year.

I do agree I think Royce's standing in the club has elevated now, and shouldn't start behind BHU or Williams for any kind of perceived senior or established role they may have over him. May the best man win.
Although I don't love the idea of Williams winning a starting prop jersey over those two...

 

[Sparkles]

Not sure that is fair to BHU, he was very good early last season when starting. Was post injury he struggled to re-find form. May very well be capable of getting back to playing his best regardless of whether it is starting or bench. I think the injury/interruption were more of a factor than the role change/minutes.
Started the season playing 35, 34, 40, 39, 44, 32 (probably would have played another 6 if not injured) and his season average ended up being 33 so was doing 'above average' time on field at start of year.

I do agree I think Royce's standing in the club has elevated now, and shouldn't start behind BHU or Williams for any kind of perceived senior or established role they may have over him. May the best man win.
Although I don't love the idea of Williams winning a starting prop jersey over those two...

I think I basically said what you're saying. BHU was good enough to keep out Hunt. I think BHU is getting a bit injury prone these days and would suit lower mins, and Hunt is good enough to take the starting spot.

I feel like we all still have a bit of d*ck fingers Williams PTSD that will take a while longer to get past.

 

[Deleted member 2543]

And as that shows, to be fair to Hunt, he's only just emerged in our pack. BHU and Williams were ahead of him and did good enough jobs to keep him out. I think now Hunt has played himself into that echelon and he's on the rise.

I would prefer he starts over BHU at this stage. BHU seems to be getting a few injuries and looks better on reduced minutes, while Hunt seems to play with the same punch no matter how long he's on for (wondering if you have a chart to verify?)... He feels like a bigger Talakai!

Yep. Output was great.

The pie charts are the big indicator here. Hunt plays most of his minutes in short stints. When starting he usually played the first 20-24 minutes, and then a short stint of 5-8 minutes later on.

 

[Deleted member 2543]

I don't doubt the playing more than him comment. Just saying I think Hunt will start and BHU will play either side of half time.

So it's a rotation discussion then...

Is it worth having a guy to start, play the first 20, and not do much after that though? It seems that was by necessity in 2022 rather than by choice.

In a healthy squad you've got McInnes (60), Finucane (55) and Rudolf (50) taking up about 165/240 minutes for middles. Say BHU plays 35 to take it to an even 200, that leaves 2 spots for guys to share 40 minutes between them (or one middle and two part-time middles). Hunt is one of those. If you like the idea of having him play early minutes that's fine, but you are committing to having him sit for the majority of the game once he is off.

Best pack Finucane, McInnes, Rudolf, BHU + 2 others. Hunt is one of the others, whether you want him starting or off the bench.

Probably moot anyway. Someone will get injured or suspended and then whoever is left will play heaps anyway.

 

[andrew's_sharks]

So it's a rotation discussion then...

Is it worth having a guy to start, play the first 20, and not do much after that though? It seems that was by necessity in 2022 rather than by choice.

In a healthy squad you've got McInnes (60), Finucane (55) and Rudolf (50) taking up about 165/240 minutes for middles. Say BHU plays 35 to take it to an even 200, that leaves 2 spots for guys to share 40 minutes between them (or one middle and two part-time middles). Hunt is one of those. If you like the idea of having him play early minutes that's fine, but you are committing to having him sit for the majority of the game once he is off.

Best pack Finucane, McInnes, Rudolf, BHU + 2 others. Hunt is one of the others, whether you want him starting or off the bench.

Probably moot anyway. Someone will get injured or suspended and then whoever is left will play heaps anyway.

This is what always happens.

I would probably play McInness at starting hooker and still play him for 60 minutes and that would free up an extra 20 minutes from Brailey coming on mid first half with the idea he runs more and give some of the big guys more game time (Hunt could take 10 of that as an example)

 

[Deleted member 2543]

This is what always happens.

I would probably play McInness at starting hooker and still play him for 60 minutes and that would free up an extra 20 minutes from Brailey coming on mid first half with the idea he runs more and give some of the big guys more game time (Hunt could take 10 of that as an example)

I guess that's one way to approach it. I'm not a big fan of McInnes at hooker though, and I don't subscribe to the "Brailey doesn't run enough because he plays too much" idea. I think Brailey is running the exact amount that his coach wants him to.