(Archived) THE RUMOUR MILL - Player Movement

[Milkshark]

Its not about competition, the two outcomes that on the table is, 1) Sharks pay him out his contract, 2) He is reinstated at the Sharks.

Is that true? Can anyone confirm?

If so we definitely take him back 100%. If we were to try and sign him again we would be paying him alot more than the contract he had previously agreed to.

 

[HaroldBishop]

I'm happy for Manly to get him. Means there's one less spot for Sezer, Maloney or Hodko to end up.

 

[Milkshark]

The problem is if we do take Carney back then where does Barba play? Fullback? Then where does Holmes play? Wing would be a waste of talent.

If Carney comes back we need to get rid of Barba.

 

[HaroldBishop]

The problem is if we do take Carney back then where does Barba play? Fullback? Then where does Holmes play? Wing would be a waste of talent.

If Carney comes back we need to get rid of Barba.

He plays 7, Barba plays 6.

 

[Milkshark]

He plays 7, Barba plays 6.

Not sure if serious but that sounds like a horrible idea to me.

We would be much better getting rid of Barba so Carney could play his preferred position and get a specialist half back in.

 

[Sir Chadley]

Not sure if serious but that sounds like a horrible idea to me.

We would be much better getting rid of Barba so Carney could play his preferred position and get a specialist half back in.

Mate, I'm sure HB is totally serious. Doesn't mean he wants Carney back though.

 

[Milkshark]

I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion.

 

[Sir Chadley]

As usual I'm a bit of a fence sitter on the Carney subject. Yes, if he didn't get up to mischeif, kept totally injury free and gave this side it's much needed spark then I would have no problems in having him back.
Unfortunately, I don't see any of those things happening.

 

[Sir Chadley]

I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Yes they are. And so are you!

 

[endevour shark]

Carney wont end up back here. Who in their right mind would want to come back if they had the choice of going elsewhere. Unluckily for us there will be competition to sign Carney especially from Manly.

absolutely correct

 

[sharkyboy]

Not sure if serious but that sounds like a horrible idea to me.

We would be much better getting rid of Barba so Carney could play his preferred position and get a specialist half back in.

What is actually the difference?

Carney was playing like a halfback for basically the whole time he was here. He's getting older and slower but his skills are just as good. Theres literally no difference in two numbers anymore and it makes SO much more sense to have 7. carney 6. barbs 1. holmes.

Like how could you think anything else is beyond me lol

 

[HaroldBishop]

What is actually the difference?

Carney was playing like a halfback for basically the whole time he was here. He's getting older and slower but his skills are just as good. Theres literally no difference in two numbers anymore and it makes SO much more sense to have 7. carney 6. barbs 1. holmes.

Like how could you think anything else is beyond me lol

Exactly, there is no difference. One usually plays on the right, the other the left.

 

[slide rule]

Wasn't Carney the halfback at Canberra?

 

[Proud Shark]

It would be good to know if the interchange rules actually are going to change as it would be a huge reason to go after someone like Sandow as opposed to hodkinson.

Having Val, barba, Brown with sandow/sezer/any other live wire could really put us ahead of those bigger teams next year.

 

[hamsy44]

I think some people still think back to the 80's and 90's where the halfback was always your first receiver and would determine if the ball went to the forwards or to the 5/8 and then your 5/8 would create.

Its not like that anymore - both your halves tend to be split one on the left one on the right and your fullback is the connection.

Carney at his best touches the ball as much as JT does so he is controlling the play - he was the master of creating space for a line running second rower or centre - we just didn't have the backs.

Imagine for a second Carney gets the ball 40 metres out goes on run across field showing the ball inside, the defence is holding off because he has some options to pass to. Infield Barba is trailing him and further back holmes is keeping pace. Carney dummys to the centre and gets through the line barba speeds up carney back to barba into the middle of the field and then holmes is through and their fullback needs to make a choice. Barba dummys and goes over (or he passes and holmes goes over).

You would see this play so often on both sides of the field - then when carney hits the centres or back inside to the second rowers the defence isn't looking for it.

Barba, holmes, beale, bird running off Carney - it may not happen but if you have not got a raging hard on you don't know football.

 

[Milkshark]

What is actually the difference?

Carney was playing like a halfback for basically the whole time he was here. He's getting older and slower but his skills are just as good. Theres literally no difference in two numbers anymore and it makes SO much more sense to have 7. carney 6. barbs 1. holmes.

Like how could you think anything else is beyond me lol

Whilst 5/8 and halfback are similar they are still quite different but i'm not going into that.

I just don't think Barba will ever be a good 5/8, he is a fullback and that's it. We will find it very hard to get rid of him now though.

 

[slide rule]

Carney can be Barba's Robbo.

 

[sharkyboy]

Whilst 5/8 and halfback are similar they are still quite different but i'm not going into that.

I just don't think Barba will ever be a good 5/8, he is a fullback and that's it. We will find it very hard to get rid of him now though.

You only need to read the posts above this to answer everything.

 

[ABshark]

To his credit, Flano has played a more 'genuine' (ie not split) halves combination for most of his time here. Flano has very much tried to use BB in a sweeping 2nd/3rd received role in his first few games here.

Todd has the talent to play 7 and control a game but whether he wants to or has the temperament... jury is out. He didn't in his first few games with us.

More likely than not, Flank would revert back to the Robbo/Carney pairing and play BB at the back.

Anyway, I think its all moot. I doubt he wants to come back here and I really doubt the powers that be would want him.

1. Gorman has been pretty consistent in saying that any signings fit the culture and image that we want. Everyone babbles about that but you tend to believe him.

2. His body is shot. Perhaps our new staff might help but really... he's almost a crock.

3. This is the guy who was taking calls in team meetings and generally not giving a phark.

4. I guarantee you that to anyone outside the Sharks/NRL bubble, us re-signing him would be laughable. Seriously. He's known as the biggest rat bag out, the archetypal NRL idiot (fairly or unfairly).

 

[slide rule]

Carney in talks over Sharks sacking

By Australian Associated Press

Published: 11:57 EST, 2 April 2015 | Updated: 11:57 EST, 2 April 2015

Todd Carney has moved closer to a possible return to the NRL, after discussing his unfair dismissal from Cronulla with Sharks management overnight.

The former representative star, who is playing for Super League club Catalans, was sacked by the Sharks in June after an unsavoury image of him went viral on social media.

Carney appealed the sacking and last month won the wrongful dismissal case against Cronulla within the NRL's appeals structure.

He spoke with the Sharks board last night over Skype for the first time since winning his case.

Two weeks ago, Cronulla coach Shane Flanagan indicated he wouldn't push for a return of the exiled 28-year-old.

But with the Sharks sitting at the bottom of the NRL ladder after a horror 0-4 start and five-eighth Ben Barba, who is currently suspended, struggling to cope with the playmaking duties, it is understood Flanagan has warmed to the idea.

Whether the Sharks board would welcome the former Dally M medallist back is entirely another matter.

Chairman Damian Keogh has said the Sharks would have sacked Carney regardless, even if they erred in the process.

Carney wasn't banned by the NRL, but the game's governing body would have to permit the former NSW and Australian representative's return.

"A club would need to lodge a contract for his return and they would need to show that he was a fit and proper person to play in the NRL," an NRL spokesman told AAP.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/aap/article-3022379/Carney-talks-Sharks-sacking.html

It would be pretty funny if the club took him back, lodged the contract with the NRL and they said "nah sorry we ain't going to register him" after saying that we didn't sack him right.