(Archived) THE RUMOUR MILL - Player Movement

[Loyal Shark]

The unfair dismissal laws are a mine field of options , in this case due to the contract term originally agreed to and Todd was not allowed access to due process he has a very good case , iron clad from what I have read . If he chooses to do so he will be able to return and play for us, the possibility of cronulla having to compensate Catalans is a bit of a grey area as they were aware that Todd was in dispute with his dismissal, so they may have to wear it . In other words if Todd wants to return he can.

 

[Deleted member 3365]

And the club should utilize him. Not for someone else to enjoy the benefits. Obviously if he screws up we give him the chance to front the office and do everything appropriately.

 

[HaroldBishop]

I don't believe the board nor Gorman would allow the return of a media circus when that's exactly what they want to get away from.

The re-instatement of Carney would only put more egg on our faces.

And i don't believe they are prepared to cop said egging.

You can argue all you like about whether he should have been sacked, whether it's a smart option for the playing roster.

But there has been too much damage to the brand and pride for the board to take him back.

Will not happen.

Agree.

Personally I don't want him back. I know we're screaming out for a half but he's had more than enough chances, he's proven he's one of those guys that will never learn. Apart from that he has ongoing concerns with his hammies. Way too much can go wrong.

 

[SharkShocked]

So they would waste cap money for someone that can be used but instead we pay him to play for another club? I dont like how Carney behaved off the field but I rather the club be resourceful and let him play for the rest of his contract.

Someone has been previously quoted on here in regards to the legal mumbo jumbo which i'm not up on. The pay out for his 'wrongful termination' if only due to an error in process is minimal.

You seem to be of the understanding that we are still paying him his 700+K?

 

[BlackWhiteBlue]

Someone has been previously quoted on here in regards to the legal mumbo jumbo which i'm not up on. The pay out for his 'wrongful termination' if only due to an error in process is minimal.

You seem to be of the understanding that we are still paying him his 700+K?

No, but if catalans want a release fee they could ask for his dragons contract to be paid/partly paid

 

[Deleted member 3365]

Someone has been previously quoted on here in regards to the legal mumbo jumbo which i'm not up on. The pay out for his 'wrongful termination' if only due to an error in process is minimal.

You seem to be of the understanding that we are still paying him his 700+K?

Problem for me is that my understanding isnt the best for contracts. I know that if the player breaches his contract as per say Carney the club can terminate him without pay. A redundancy is when we just dont want him so then we need to pay him out.
It looks like he did breach his contract but the process of it wasnt done accordingly it seemed like a straight off the bat termination. That's the issue. He did screw up many chances but shouldve fronted the board first before anything.

 

[BlackWhiteBlue]

Problem for me is that my understanding isnt the best for contracts. I know that if the player breaches his contract as per say Carney the club can terminate him without pay. A redundancy is when we just dont want him so then we need to pay him out.
It looks like he did breach his contract but the process of it wasnt done accordingly it seemed like a straight off the bat termination. That's the issue. He did screw up many chances but shouldve fronted the board first before anything.

His appeal wasnt the sacking, it was the fact he didnt get to front the board. He was getting sacked meeting or no meeting.

Interesting the appeals tribunal deemed it as unfair, did the nrl give him a meeting before de-registering?

 

[SharkShocked]

The sheer fact that not one other club aside from Manly having made their interest public in signing Todd Carney should scream warnings.

The man has burnt 3 clubs on his way to 'maturing'.

Sometimes in life you have to realize a poor investment..and cut your losses. (5 points for the movie quote)

 

[hamsy44]

Someone has been previously quoted on here in regards to the legal mumbo jumbo which i'm not up on. The pay out for his 'wrongful termination' if only due to an error in process is minimal.

You seem to be of the understanding that we are still paying him his 700+K?

In Australia it is minimal yes. The dragons are under no obligation to release Carney and would only do so if they were compensated it might be cash or it might be a player swap its up to them.

If another club signs Carney they will need to negotiate the release but the sharks will foot the bill. If we sign him we need to negotiate the terms of the release.

So how much is paid if any will be up to the Dragons. There are also French laws that need to be thought of and if the ESL has rules around release from contracts.

 

[hamsy44]

His appeal wasnt the sacking, it was the fact he didnt get to front the board. He was getting sacked meeting or no meeting.

Interesting the appeals tribunal deemed it as unfair, did the nrl give him a meeting before de-registering?

The thing with the de-registering is that it means nothing. Once a club sacks a player they can't play NRL. The NRL did not rule out him playing for another club they did say they would look at it. No club went to sign him so they didn't in the end need to do anything.

We are on our own.

 

[BlackWhiteBlue]

In Australia it is minimal yes. The dragons are under no obligation to release Carney and would only do so if they were compensated it might be cash or it might be a player swap its up to them.

If another club signs Carney they will need to negotiate the release but the sharks will foot the bill. If we sign him we need to negotiate the terms of the release.

So how much is paid if any will be up to the Dragons. There are also French laws that need to be thought of and if the ESL has rules around release from contracts.

Cough robbo rough

 

[snowman]

if carney even shows a glimpse of wanting to come back then we should be all over it and play him at halfback. a carney/barba halves combo excites me

 

[Proud Shark]

if carney even shows a glimpse of wanting to come back then we should be all over it and play him at halfback. a carney/barba halves combo excites me

Surely we'd end up with:

1. Barba
6. Carney
7. Robbo

 

[SharkShocked]

if carney even shows a glimpse of wanting to come back then we should be all over it and play him at halfback. a carney/barba halves combo excites me

Again - will never happen, too much public shaming.

 

[slide rule]

In Australia it is minimal yes. The dragons are under no obligation to release Carney and would only do so if they were compensated it might be cash or it might be a player swap its up to them.

If another club signs Carney they will need to negotiate the release but the sharks will foot the bill. If we sign him we need to negotiate the terms of the release.

So how much is paid if any will be up to the Dragons. There are also French laws that need to be thought of and if the ESL has rules around release from contracts.

It has been said that he has a release clause available in his Catalans contract if he is allowed to return to the NRL. Don't know if that is true or not.

 

[slide rule]

I really don't know who the NRL think they are telling us we've not followed procedures correctly. This is between Carney and the Sharks. The NRL should have nothing to do with it.

 

[stevow76]

Lots of you guys keep mentioning putting Barba back to fullback, what's to say that he is better suited in that position than Holmes. Holmes hasn't had much of a chance to prove his worth at FB at nrl level, we may never know we may have the next slater/inglis/hayne . Personally I've got a good feeling about Val (without seeing too much) I think we have a superstar on our hands. I'm just hoping he doesn't miss out on getting a decent shot at his preferred position, due to the re positioning of barba.

 

[stormshark]

if carney even shows a glimpse of wanting to come back then we should be all over it and play him at halfback. a carney/barba halves combo excites me

Are you saying you would shower him with gifts?

 

[Milkshark]

Carney wont end up back here. Who in their right mind would want to come back if they had the choice of going elsewhere. Unluckily for us there will be competition to sign Carney especially from Manly.

 

[Deleted member 3365]

Carney wont end up back here. Who in their right mind would want to come back if they had the choice of going elsewhere. Unluckily for us there will be competition to sign Carney especially from Manly.

Its not about competition, the two outcomes that on the table is, 1) Sharks pay him out his contract, 2) He is reinstated at the Sharks.

I cant believe people here are actually happy with the fact that we pay him out?

I dont want to be like Broncos where they are currently paying Barba's contract nor how Tigers were with Fifita and Gibbs. If we are gonna pay Carney I want the club to fully utilize him, not ****ing manly.
Yes he shamed us but hell, the coach and our captain are drug cheats. Think about it.